Continuing with Spotify?

nice gesture by neil. this will ultimately mean though that we'll have left and right streaming services just cable news stations and acts will target their music to one or the other. won't fix anything.

just *like* cable news stations

In ten years in my state our homes will be individual sized planks of wood floating in an endless sea so ultimately I support whatever fuck yous the good guys have left before Waterworld begins

Framing it as an issue of politics, rather than Spotify’s funding of misinformation, misses the point IMO

i agree but subtleties like that get buried in the tribal war we are undergoing.

oh fuck off with that "both sides" bullshit

maybe things wouldn't be so "polarized" if a suicidal death cult wasn't trying to kill us all

did i say something about both sides? also, would be nice if the death cult were suicidal.

Richard Thompson

― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, January 29, 2022 3:24 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

genuine question. how does "godfather of grunge" fit into richard thompson's music? he has a pretty big catalogue and i've only heard his softer, folkier side

he's got some loud electric music too

XP! RT can really make some noise on the guitar when the mood strikes him.

Wait I thought Neil Young was godfather of grunge

I mean it’s not an exact match, but it was the first name that popped into my head too

all good. i was just wondering to get some recs to listen to

Here’s some grunge! (sort of)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8i61cG8Glk

The long solo that starts around minute 6 is pretty wild

Not really proto-grunge but I'll bet Pearl Jam or Mark Lanegan could do a nice version of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Tc6MCkDdE

Soulseek is still there. The artists don’t get their couple dollars for coffee anymore, but neither do dangerous tech bros get millions.

This here's a company that is panicking.https://t.co/OKrMXl09UI

— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) January 30, 2022

Not sure that’s panic, looks more like halfassed rationalization. I’ll believe it’s panic when they start taking down old Joe Rogan episodes.

xxp or you could pay for the music, and not look for rationalizations not to

They have to be weighing how many subscribers they’ll lose if a few more (and higher profile artists) pull their catalogs vs. how many they’d lose for infringing of the “free speech” of Rogan by cutting him loose and making his show available to a myriad of other platforms

Unless several people on the level of Taylor Swift pull their music I don't think there's much fear for them.

The entire podcast pivot seems like it's been a bust, though. I saw that Last Podcast on the Left got out of their deal even before this shit, I suspect that being Spotify exclusive hasn't been good for shows' numbers.

Interesting. I do know several people who are into podcasts and audiobooks but don't listen to music much, so paying for Spotify probably wouldn't even occur to them. It's not like there's a shortage of podcasts lol

Unless they want Obama/Springsteen, Brene Brown, Rohan, etc.

*Rogan

Brene Brown said something on Twitter about no new episodes for a while, don't know if that's Rogan related.

They've still got Harry and Meghan though.

Yeah, the Replies to that Brene Brown tweet are full of whiny Rogan fans talking about George Orwell

xxp or you could pay for the music, and not look for rationalizations not to

― False Pretenses Lad (morrisp), Sunday, January 30, 2022 3:35 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

perish the thought

tired of 'tech bros' as pejorative. it's 'ruling class.' gender and sector neutral. let's have some class consciousness ffs.

They've still got Harry and Meghan though.

Two weeks ago, Spotify shut down their in-house production group and laid off 15 staffers. This week, they advertised at least three positions on a “show team” to help Harry and Meghan complete a second episode of their weekly show designed to “elevate underrepresented voices.” (The first episode came out at Xmas 2020, was half an hour long, and featured Elton John and James Corden.)

H&M also directly hired a full-time producer as “head of audio” last July.

xxp or you could pay for the music, and not look for rationalizations not to

[Note: I buy everything I like though I stream things to see if I like them. But this isn't about me, it's about a generation or two younger than me who simply consume music differently and no sanctimonious sentiments are gonna put that genie back in the bottle.)

Sure, all those young kids dl’ing MP3s on Slsk (who’s the boomer now, lol)

Use it all you want, just don’t fool yourself (I was responding to a comment that presented piracy as somehow the most “ethical” choice)

It’s not the consumer’s fault that artists don’t get paid well. It’s not the consumer’s fault that Spotify charges so little. It’s not the consumer’s fault that major labels didn’t negotiate better terms with streamers, nor that they don’t offer better terms to their artists.

Is that honestly the way you see yourself as a consumer? Helpless?

I don't associate "Helpless" with Spotify anymore.

I’m not helpless but when the discussion turns to “ethics” I get tired of the implication that the state of the industry is the fault of the fans.

What is so depressing to see is how many people, when suggesting alternatives to Spotify, are pointing to TIDAL, Apple Music, YouTube or even Soulseek and how few are pointing to Bandcamp, much less telling people just to go buy the music directly from the artists.

Have you ever successfully convinced a streaming diehard to start buying music again? I have not despite years of trying. Also, I use Bandcamp and Tidal for different things. Bandcamp rules but it's false to suggest it can replace the function of a streaming service. For example, none of the dancehall or afropop I listen to is going to show up there

Surprising from Rogan - https://www.engadget.com/joe-rogan-balance-things-out-spotify-disinformation-measures-085039569.html

people actually look at me cross-eyed when I tell them I buy music on Bandcamp. they'll still trot out the old canard "they make most of thier money on tour anyway!"

xp
maybe that $100m was stock options?

jon otm

also some good pr fluff in that article, morrisp. i don't believe a word of it.

I finally canceled my spotify account. Semi-arbitrarily went with Tidal, so far this is pretty much the same as spotify so it all feels pretty good. Managed to transfer all my playlists by paying a one month subscription to soundiiz. Some stuff missing from Tidal, but not too much.

Xpost Now he'll book Robert Malone AND Dr Fauci for rebuttal. Fauci will get 30 seconds and air horns will blare every 5 seconds

people actually look at me cross-eyed when I tell them I buy music on Bandcamp. they'll still trot out the old canard "they make most of thier money on tour anyway!"

― he's very big in the region of my butthole (Neanderthal), Monday, January 31, 2022 10:17 AM (one minute ago)

I have had people mock me when I tell them I "still" buy music, both digital files and physical. It's a deeply felt, unquestioned, and broadly shared cultural attitude ime

xxp - oh, I don’t know what he’ll actually follow thru with. Just surprised he’s publicly eating sh1t. Spotify may have pressured him for PR reasons

The two serious suggestions to use Soulseek I saw really annoyed me, like encourage people to go from giving peanuts to artists to making sure they get nothing? Come on.

Have you ever successfully convinced a streaming diehard to start buying music again?

Sort of? I've turned a few friends on to Bandcamp, so I consider that a minor win.

and yeah I should buy more stuff from bandcamp. It's something I do but not enough.

xxxp to myself