281 For Sale from $10.00
https://www.discogs.com/master/105649-Obituary-Slowly-We-Rot
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 29 January 2022 19:23 (two years ago) link
That was one example, I'm not paying $10 a month for that one album
― they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Saturday, 29 January 2022 19:28 (two years ago) link
Just saying though, Rogans deal was signed in 2020 and he began the worst of his COVID transgressions last April. Neil Young incident a weird line in the sand for me, personally. It wasn't based on anything new Rogan or Spotify did, it was based on a gambit Young took that everybody knew would not result in him being dropped.
I still support his move 100% and hope more artists do it. But the social media HEY EVERYONE WE NEED TO CANCEL SPOTIFY MEMBERSHIP campaigns popping up now, like...why was their relationship with Rogan not worthy of cancelling membership 10 months ago, or when doctors put Rogan on blast?
But otoh whatever reason people want to boycott something is their right and the Rogan connection is a valid reason so I'm not too concerned about it
― they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Saturday, 29 January 2022 19:44 (two years ago) link
Mike's posts are becoming incomprehensible in a way that I heartily enjoy. Hope for more of this.
I don't know about the reasons for the controversy but in my own little world I would feel fairly happy for all streaming services to collapse and the world to prove that I was sensible to keep vinyl, CDs and even a CD player. But for individual tracks still to be randomly on YouTube for my convenience.
I don't actually wish for this to happen to damage everyone else's pleasure, though.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 29 January 2022 19:58 (two years ago) link
Rogans deal was signed in 2020 and he began the worst of his COVID transgressions last April. Neil Young incident a weird line in the sand for me, personally
I get what you are saying, but at the same time during those periods (2020 and April 2021), your average person was probably just a bit distracted by the raging pandemic to worry about taking a stand against Spotify. Yeah I absolutely wish this would have happened in immediate response to Rogan’s deal, but imho better late than never. And to be honest, it’s a little weird for me get nitpicky towards Neil about not doing this sooner when the opposite would be, what, saying he missed his window and needs to shut up about it? Even if I’m skeptical that this will turn out the way we hope, I’m absolutely thrilled that Neil has actually kickstarted a genuine backlash against Spotify and ignited this conversation. Maybe this would have fizzled and been drowned out had it come during the heat of the pandemic.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:06 (two years ago) link
I found the same frequency-sweep test-tone disc on both platforms - on Qobuz it was 15dB louder! They seemed to have normalised each track.
A test tone would probably have almost no dynamic range and be normalised to 0dBFS so that's mostly accountable for as Spoify reducing it to meet its -14 LUFS standard, I would think?
― feed me with your clicks (Noel Emits), Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:08 (two years ago) link
I don’t know where to stand. As a user I love spotify’s UI and the huge library that allows me to make a 50 song playlist in minutes. It’s so helpful to have so many music in any sort of social gatherings and I don’t want it to fall because I’m not a fan of the other options (tidal, apple music).
As a business model it seems doomed and the payout for artists is ridiculous.
Speaking personally I still buy at least 5 albums every month via bandcamp or vinyl.
Regarding Rogan I don’t care about him and have never seen or heard his podcast. If it helps keep Spotify afloat I guess it’s fine from a business perspective. Every other platform is filled with the same amount of toxicity, the best you can do is not give them specific attention I guess.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:08 (two years ago) link
True, the Spotify deal wasn’t that long after Bernie’s campaign heralded the Rogan endorsement.
But when do you figure Neil Young first heard of Rogan? A week ago?
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:13 (two years ago) link
the best you can do is not give them specific attention I guess.
Don't give specific attention to the biggest podcast in the world, sure
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:16 (two years ago) link
Rogan's gotten worse recently - the "there are no black people" linked elsewhere, arguing with the guy about myocarditis and just refusing to believe anything but his anti-vax propaganda. Not really a shock that it could be a line in the sand (and yeah, what are the odds Young or Joni Mitchell or these others knew about Rogan at all).
Alessandro Cortini posted that his music is coming off Spotify on Instagram.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:16 (two years ago) link
― reggae mike love (polyphonic)
I mean I have never listened to his podcast. I know he has millions of listeners, but it’s your choice to pay attention to it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:29 (two years ago) link
This might be a dealbreaker:
https://www.nme.com/news/music/james-blunt-threatens-to-release-new-music-on-spotify-in-protest-against-joe-rogan-3149555
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:31 (two years ago) link
I bet the Eve 6 guy is pissed that he didn't think of that.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:35 (two years ago) link
re this Rogan person -- I get the impression that he is very famous and listened-to in the US?
I don't think I know that many people in the UK who would even know who he is. And none at all that would listen to him for a minute.
Feel like it is quite a nationally specific matter (of the kind that, I often remark, strangely still exist despite everything supposedly being internationalised now).
― the pinefox, Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:50 (two years ago) link
he's very big in the region of my butthole
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:55 (two years ago) link
I always find these kind of comments odd. Like you don’t have dumbasses in the UK media?
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:56 (two years ago) link
he's famous because he was on newsradio with phil hartman. after that, he got into the business of describing people swallow weird shit for 15 minutes of fame. he parlayed that into a podcast career where he pumps iron and talks about newsradio, so americans trust him and kind of look for him to "set the tone" of the "national conversation"
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:56 (two years ago) link
I feel less guilty about using Spotify because I'm usually using it to listen to albums I already own physically and just don't know where they're at (many many moves). And usually anything else I listen to belongs to mega rich superstars.
But most of the bands I listen to sell like 10k albums so not buying them seems like a non-starter to me. Love Bandcamp
― they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:58 (two years ago) link
And none at all that would listen to him for a minute.
A minute sounds a bit generous
― calzino, Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:59 (two years ago) link
Island boys like Joe Rogan toohttps://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/joe-rogan-podcast-jre-uk-b1997036.html
Also there's a UK knockoff called London Real that Trashfuture makes fun of that sounds even dumber than ol Joe.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 29 January 2022 21:03 (two years ago) link
Things that I wouldn't have predicted 20 years ago:
*A reality tv star would be President*We'd have a pandemic that killed tens of millions globally and uproot lives for 3 years*A shitty comedian becomes the self-appointed czar for said pandemic and gets paid $100 million doing it*Dick Butkus joins Twitter just to troll Aaron Rodgers*That there would be Twitter and a player named Aaron Rodgers
― he's very big in the region of my butthole (Neanderthal), Saturday, 29 January 2022 21:04 (two years ago) link
he's very big in the region of my butthole― Karl Malone, Saturday, January 29, 2022 12:55 PM
― Karl Malone, Saturday, January 29, 2022 12:55 PM
i know we're not even in february yet, but post of the year. thx.
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Saturday, 29 January 2022 21:24 (two years ago) link
yeah already stolen
― he's very big in the region of my butthole (Neanderthal), Saturday, 29 January 2022 21:25 (two years ago) link
.@bellytheband appear to have changed their Spotify band photo. pic.twitter.com/njAi52XhIg— Mark Yarm (@markyarm) January 29, 2022
― west elm girls (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 29 January 2022 21:35 (two years ago) link
It’s always a good idea to stream @NeilYoungNYA.https://t.co/g4232DaRkF pic.twitter.com/VdBP6AwceQ— Apple Music (@AppleMusic) January 25, 2022
― west elm girls (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 29 January 2022 21:39 (two years ago) link
controps, I know, but from a UK point of view Young's decision here has probably raised the profile of this guy beyond who the fuck is this
― kraudive, Saturday, 29 January 2022 23:09 (two years ago) link
― Michael Jones, Saturday, 29 January 2022 23:11 (two years ago) link
who is the british neil young
― mookieproof, Saturday, 29 January 2022 23:20 (two years ago) link
Richard Thompson
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 29 January 2022 23:24 (two years ago) link
wow....yeah he totally is
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 29 January 2022 23:26 (two years ago) link
qobuz need to hire a UI/UX designer
― Qamon (||||||||), Saturday, 29 January 2022 23:26 (two years ago) link
A slightly dumb and symbolic reason to pull from the bigger reasons--mainly that they're stealing from artists to line techbro pockets and fund military tech. But hey, if it tumbles a few dominos and starts a few conversations about Spotify and streaming being evil in general, cool.
― Soundslike, Saturday, 29 January 2022 23:27 (two years ago) link
Pull from Spotify compared to the biggee reasons, that is.
That James Blunt tweet is swell. I love that type of joke
― Animals must have a name (morrisp), Saturday, 29 January 2022 23:37 (two years ago) link
It wasn't based on anything new Rogan or Spotify did, it was based on a gambit Young took that everybody knew would not result in him being dropped.
This has been linked to a few different times already, the letter from 270 scientists and medical folks:
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/14/experts-confront-spotify-over-misinformation-in-joe-rogan-podcast.html
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Sunday, 30 January 2022 00:10 (two years ago) link
Yea I mentioned that upthread. But that didn't move the needle like Young did in terms of consumers
― he's very big in the region of my butthole (Neanderthal), Sunday, 30 January 2022 00:15 (two years ago) link
I’m not an expert on this but I come from an industry also beset by piracy, the death of physical media and failed attempts at monetising a switch to digital, and it looks to me like there just aren’t enough people willing to pay for subscriptions to make any of these models work. Spotify pays about 70% of music-derived revenue to rights-holders and has made a loss in 14 of the last 18 quarters. They clearly can’t double the amount of money provided per stream, with the model they have now, unless they also pretty much double revenue.
Where they differ from Tidal, Apple, etc, is having the free account option and ad revenue. About 170m people pay for an account and 210m don’t. You could try and force a switch to an all-Premium model but if you lost 80% of the people who don’t / can’t pay, you’d get to the penny-a-stream outcome from the other direction - losing half the streams, without generating any more money for artists.
Rogan and other exclusive podcasts they own the rights to, and that don’t cost incrementally more, the more listeners they attract, probably look like a much more solid basis for a long-term business.
I’d guess music streaming might go in the direction of films, where the finite number of people willing to pay, end up with multiple accounts for much more limited offers (Netflix, Amazon, MUBI, Shudder, etc) depending on their interests and a lot of content falls off the internet.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Sunday, 30 January 2022 00:25 (two years ago) link
i think you're right quite frankly. But it's a golden age now!
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 30 January 2022 00:34 (two years ago) link
aaaaaand just like that we're back to CDs
― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 30 January 2022 00:45 (two years ago) link
What are those? Like physical NFTs?
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Sunday, 30 January 2022 01:01 (two years ago) link
Just saw Nils Lofgren is following suit.
― nickn, Sunday, 30 January 2022 01:48 (two years ago) link
Kinda wish we were increasing in terms of name recognition rather than the reverse, ha ha
― Animals must have a name (morrisp), Sunday, 30 January 2022 01:57 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgflip.com/1zrkp.gif
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 30 January 2022 02:01 (two years ago) link
holy cow that is an amazing gif
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 30 January 2022 02:19 (two years ago) link
Spotify makes him hoppin’ mad!
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Sunday, 30 January 2022 02:32 (two years ago) link
Apparently related:
I will not be releasing any podcasts until further notice. To our #UnlockingUs and #DaretoLead communities, I’m sorry and I'll let you know if and when that changes.Stay awkward, brave, and kind. ❤️👊🏼❤️— Brené Brown (@BreneBrown) January 29, 2022
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Sunday, 30 January 2022 03:26 (two years ago) link
Get vaccinated Ian https://t.co/MKfrM0M4Yx— Nils Lofgren (@nilslofgren) January 30, 2022
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 30 January 2022 05:18 (two years ago) link
Lofgren is one of those musicians who'd have a fascinating autobiography.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 30 January 2022 05:27 (two years ago) link
running youth outreach programmes that teach the young people principles of piracy so I don't have to hear more Spotify news— Stefan Bielik (@prstskrzkrk) January 29, 2022
― calzino, Sunday, 30 January 2022 09:21 (two years ago) link
Nils famously wrote this jingle in return for lessons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7PEMGuA6tw
Supposedly anyone from DC/Maryland of a certain age knows it by heart.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 30 January 2022 14:19 (two years ago) link