Just the opposite of Old ILM
lol this is so true, no matter how good the band/artist there's always some long-gone poster saying how much they hate it/them in the first three posts
― chaos goblin line cook (sleeve), Monday, 10 January 2022 00:19 (two years ago) link
good question, dow!
i voted hank jr because his music is terrible, as is his personality.
if we were supposed to vote for the best of these choices, the kutis win easily. but that's not the topic title ("squandering the legacy" and whatnot), so i'm overthinking this.
― wolfman jack kerouac, the nonviolent unabomber. (Austin), Monday, 10 January 2022 00:29 (two years ago) link
xpost Wolfgang released an album last year as Mammoth WVH
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 10 January 2022 00:36 (two years ago) link
has Wolfgang even released anything??
Mammoth WVH is the name of his band/project, and he topped the mainstream rock chart over the summer of 2021. It's pretty boilerplate stuff imo, but I follow Valerie Bertinelli on twitter and she's a proud mom.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 10 January 2022 00:37 (two years ago) link
Also, people are really shitty to him, so even though I don't like his music I don't think he deserves to be trapped in his dad's shadow.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 10 January 2022 00:38 (two years ago) link
Hank Jr. is a loud right wing dick, that is the reason he won this contest. As a country music artist, he's one of the most popular of the mid 70s to through the 80s. At his peak, he could sell out arenas - he's probably as 'popular' as all the rest of these people combined at least in the US.
― earlnash, Monday, 10 January 2022 00:40 (two years ago) link
More like BOGUScephus, amirite?
― nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 10 January 2022 01:04 (two years ago) link
Hank Jr. is a loud right wing dick, that is the reason he won this contest.
I didn't vote for him but this is otm
― chaos goblin line cook (sleeve), Monday, 10 January 2022 01:50 (two years ago) link
Terrific Sinatra Jr. story from '94, almost feels like the basis for a Scorsese filmhttps://deadspin.com/frank-sinatra-jr-is-worth-six-buddy-grecos-1000516479
https://deadspin.com/frank-sinatra-jr-is-worth-six-buddy-grecos-1000516479
Reminds me of the Don Rickles story he told on Letterman, that Sinatra told him the kidnappers returned Jr. after they heard him "humming in the trunk"
― Sam Weller, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 12:14 (two years ago) link
Hank Jr. is a loud right wing dick, that is the reason he won this contest. As a country music artist, he's one of the most popular of the mid 70s to through the 80s.
Because being popular is always an indication of quality.
Mind you, I don't disagree that his personal convictions are why he so thoroughly dominated this poll, but saying he sold a lot of records doesn't hold a lot of sway for me.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 13:33 (two years ago) link
Sean Lennon's politics aren't necessarily better than Hank Jr's!Whiskey Bent and Hell Bound is a great albumor, put it this way, Hank Jr. has a shitload of fans that like him, because of his songs, that don't listen to his dad's music at all
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 13:53 (two years ago) link
Cherry (Neneh, Eagle Eye) 2Two users need to stop huffing paint immediately, your friends are concerned about you. And I love don.
― Nerd Ragequit (wins), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 13:55 (two years ago) link
that's absurd lol for sure all the kids that were loving Buffalo Stance were like "did you hear??. she's DON CHERRY'S DAUGHTER how rad"same withChappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes) at 6:30 31 Dec 21Missing option for Ravi Shankar-Norah Jonesalso true for her, other than I'm assuming growing up affluent, she got no advantage from her dad's career, she didn't promote that fact and she works in a completely different
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 13:58 (two years ago) link
smh Roseanne Cash received the same amount of votes as Wolfgang Van Halen
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 14:04 (two years ago) link
This is ridiculous.
Rosanne Cash does not deserve inclusion. Who the fuck voted for her? Show yourselves.
Nor does Hank, Jr.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 14:16 (two years ago) link
also true for her, other than I'm assuming growing up affluent, she got no advantage from her dad's career, she didn't promote that fact and she works in a completely different
Really? "Ravi Shankar's daughter" was one of the first things I heard any time someone mentioned her when her first big album came out. I might not be a representative listener, though.
― treat the gelignite tenderly for me (Sund4r), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 14:21 (two years ago) link
Yeah, Marissa dot dot dot
― Mark G, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 14:24 (two years ago) link
Safe to say Willow is at least not squandering the allegedly brilliant lasting cultural legacy of (checks notes) the guy who did the "Men in Black" theme and (checks notes) the theme song of "The Fresh Prince of Bel Air."the first two Fresh Prince/DJ Jazzy Jeff records are really charming and better than people give them credit for, they connected hip hop with an almost 50s everyteen aesthetic, think "Yakety Yak" etc, there's actually some really strong Run DMC era rapping on some album tracks"Summertime" is obviously an all time classic, perfect song"Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" is good if a bit corny
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 14:28 (two years ago) link
xpost sund4r I think that's not representative - she sold 12 million copies of that first albumeither way she did it on her songs, her talent
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 14:30 (two years ago) link
I don't even think I knew who her dad was until way after she was famous
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 14:31 (two years ago) link
Interesting. It was mentioned in the AMG review but I fully acknowledge that my perception of it could have been slanted. In any case, I definitely don't think anyone listened to her adult contemporary/vocal jazz records and thought worse of her estranged father's sitar playing.
― treat the gelignite tenderly for me (Sund4r), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 14:40 (two years ago) link
Of course not because “squandering the legacy” is not really a thing
― Nerd Ragequit (wins), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 14:41 (two years ago) link
come one we all know she coasted to fame on Ravi Shankars massive 2002-era popularity
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 14:41 (two years ago) link
He's not a minor figure. Even if people didn't listen to Hindustani music, they would have likely known of his name, reputation, connection to the Beatles, etc.; it wouldn't be a meaningless promotional hook.
― treat the gelignite tenderly for me (Sund4r), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 14:44 (two years ago) link
See the first reply to this thread from 2002, for example, afaik the earliest Norah Jones thread on ILM: RFD: Norah Jones & Her Ilk
― treat the gelignite tenderly for me (Sund4r), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 14:45 (two years ago) link
lol that "this year's Fiona Apple" is meat to be an insult
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 14:50 (two years ago) link
Here's how I would break it down:
Helped by parent's legacy, but actually have songs or albums that people care about on their own:Hank JrJakob DylanRoseanne Cash
Have albums/songs people care about on their own, parent's legacy helped to a smaller degree, but as more of a "fun fact" biographical detail:Neneh CherryNorah Jones
Greatly helped by legacy, had a pleasant hit or two, not major artistsZiggy MarleyEagle Eye Cherry
Carried on tradition or spirit of parents work:Ziggy Marley againSean Kuti
Useless rich kids:Wolfgang Van HalenKelly Osbourne
Classic trust fund kid doing whatever arty stuff they want just because they never have to work ever (but some interesting stuff):Sean Lennon
don't really know where to slot Caspar Brotzmann, he does his own thing but in that small niche world I'm sure his dad's name rang bells esp early on
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 15:05 (two years ago) link
stratch eagle eye from that an add julian lennon in pleasant hit category
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 15:06 (two years ago) link
Just heard Martha Wainwright's "Bloody Mother Fucking Asshole," nice work.
― jimbeaux, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 15:09 (two years ago) link
it's weird to me to think that having rich, famous parents heavily connected to the music industry could only "help" you in terms of it being a promotional hook. it's about having doors opened for you, having all your family friends and well-wishing adults who watched you grow up being music industry people who want to help you succeed. just as much as if your parents owned a car dealership, you're probably in good with all the Chamber of Commerce folks in your town and are not going to have a problem getting a nice gig right out of school, if you want it. music-wise, you're getting into meetings and lunches and parties and conversations that other people, of similar or perhaps greater 'talent,' aren't going to get access to. it's not something we can exactly 'fix' or control for, and it's not by itself a slight against the music... but let's not pretend Norah Jones or Eagle Eye Cherry is just humbly sending in a demo, an exec hears it and goes "who is this kid?? find them and sign them!"
minor fact-check: i believe Neneh Cherry is Don Cherry's step-daughter. and he and her mother had Eagle Eye together, so he's her half-brother.
― I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 16:16 (two years ago) link
I'd sooner relisten to "Save Tonight" than anything by anyone else on the list ("Blue Moon with Heartache" is close).
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 16:19 (two years ago) link
uhhh what
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-ZxQyaWScE
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 16:23 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QCLGWTNZak
They're fine, don't really stand out for me?
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 16:31 (two years ago) link
let's not pretend Norah Jones or Eagle Eye Cherry is just humbly sending in a demo, an exec hears it and goes "who is this kid?? find them and sign them!"
I don't know Eagle Eye's story, but I think Jones got signed on her own merits.
― i woke up alarmed (morrisp), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 17:11 (two years ago) link
Yeah, iirc Ravi wasn't even really a part of NJ's life growing up and she made her bones for years before anyone connected the dots.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 17:31 (two years ago) link
Yeah, and she very very much went out of her way not to make the connection or talk about him.
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 17:43 (two years ago) link
She even legally changed her name from Geethali Norah Jones Shankar to Norah Jones.
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:15 (two years ago) link
Kip Beethoven
― they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:39 (two years ago) link
The musician Moby is following in the footsteps of his long-distant ancestor Herman Melville and turning to the literary arena, with a ...
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 19:01 (two years ago) link
huh, okay, did not realize Jones was that far distant from Shankar.
― I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 19:13 (two years ago) link
Also as someone whose dad is *technically* a stepdad and whose sister is *technically* a half sister I don’t see much value in those corrections tbh
― Nerd Ragequit (wins), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 19:28 (two years ago) link
Appreciate that - definitely don't mean to suggest that they are not meaningfully "his" kids. I should have represented that as additional biographical detail rather than a fact-check.
― I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 19:54 (two years ago) link
Shame Mabel didn't feature in the poll to see how she'd do against her mum.
― Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 20:02 (two years ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 15:05 (five hours ago) link
The family connection was def a thing when I first became aware of him in the mid-90s, but yeah not sure where to slot him since other than been "intense" and "loud" he really isn't anything like P Broztmann musically.
I think you could make the case he would be roughly the same level of renown if his name were Joe Bag'O'Doughnuts. I mean I'd probably buy a Bag'O'Doughnuts Massakar record
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 20:28 (two years ago) link
Personal story, untold until now...
Back when I was trying to start or join a band based on my freshly written songs, one guy told me that one of my songs was very similar to a demo tape he'd heard of Julian Lennon's. Five years later, I got to hear his tune in the chart. My song was called "Too Late". And yes, it does sound like one or other of us was copying.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 23:24 (two years ago) link
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:04 (two years ago) link
Ew, no
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:08 (two years ago) link
Sean Lennon's politics aren't necessarily better than Hank Jr's!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, January 12, 2022 1:53 PM (yesterday)
not gonna defend sean who seems like a pretty annoying bitcoin bro but i dunno, hank seems significantly worse to me
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 13 January 2022 01:49 (two years ago) link
Hank's decent as long as his rowdy friends stay at home.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 13 January 2022 02:04 (two years ago) link