Depeche Mode -- Sounds of the Universe

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yeah, count me excited. 'Playing the Angel' is mprbably my fave DM album at this stage.

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 14:39 (seventeen years ago)

you can also tell that dave is enjoying it alot more over the last few albums. this has as much to do with the recording process as it does his own songwriting, the use of software allowing him to get far more involved than he was during the alan wilder years.

rio (r1o natsume), Tuesday, 7 October 2008 15:51 (seventeen years ago)

album: joyous news.

just one UK date? pah. however: june might be an excellent time to go and see my pal in berlin ...

toast kid (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 7 October 2008 22:54 (seventeen years ago)

I'm kinda curious about their new album (even more so than the new Cure album). I'm not the biggest DM fan in the world, but I'm that they're still around. As if they suddenly say to themselves... "ahem... it's time now"

When a band has been together for a certain time period, they may as well stay together forever. See Rolling Stones or Status Quo. That is, unless a key member dies. See Four Tops.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 00:22 (seventeen years ago)

If it is going to be anything like "Playing The Angel", it looks good (although a little less Dynamic Range Compression would be nice). "Playing The Angel" was, after all, the best thing they'd done since "Black Celebration".

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 00:24 (seventeen years ago)

That is, unless a key member dies

yeh, dave tried that. didn't work out for him, though.

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 09:21 (seventeen years ago)

got tix for düsseldorf. never seen 'em before - psyched!

willem, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 09:58 (seventeen years ago)

yeh, dave tried that. didn't work out for him, though.

He surely "did his best". Thankfully still around. I doubt they would have gone on without him. Cannot quite imagine Martin being the lead singer on everything although he is on the occasional track.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 10:15 (seventeen years ago)

three months pass...

The details are out:

Depeche Mode have announced the track listing for their eagerly anticipated 12th studio album 'Sounds Of The Universe', released April 20th, on Mute. The release is preceded by their stunning new single ‘Wrong’, out April 6th - the first single to be taken from the album.

'Sounds Of The Universe' marks a reunion between Depeche Mode and Ben Hillier, who previously produced their 2005 album 'Playing The Angel'. Eclectic and energised, the band's new LP was recorded in Santa Barbara and New York.

'Sounds Of The Universe' Track Listing

1. In Chains
2. Hole To Feed
3. Wrong
4. Fragile Tension
5. Little Soul
6. In Sympathy
7. Peace
8. Come Back
9. Spacewalker
10. Perfect
11. Miles Away / The Truth Is
12. Jezebel
13. Corrupt

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 January 2009 15:10 (seventeen years ago)

I have high hopes. Given that the ticket price ended up scuppering a rather jolly plan for me and a load of mates to fuck off over to Berlin in June, I feel Depeche Mode owe me one. Or something.

Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 29 January 2009 15:19 (seventeen years ago)

can't wait

rio (r1o natsume), Thursday, 29 January 2009 15:22 (seventeen years ago)

12. Jezebel

Can you believe they've never used this as a title before?

Vinnie, Thursday, 29 January 2009 15:29 (seventeen years ago)

1. In Chains
2. Hole To Feed
3. Wrong
13. Corrupt

And these must be the result of getting Nine Inch Nails fridge magnets for Christmas.

Dorianlynskey, Thursday, 29 January 2009 16:11 (seventeen years ago)

So is "Wrong" available to stream anywhere yet?

matt2, Friday, 30 January 2009 19:33 (seventeen years ago)

three weeks pass...

North American tour dates!

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NEW YORK, NY- February 20, 2009—Groundbreaking electro legends Depeche Mode have announced North American cities and dates for their upcoming “Tour Of The Universe,” which will mark the group’s most extensive outing in the region in several years. Kicking off in Toronto on July 24th, the band’s 22-city North American tour will cover both the US and Canada and hit most major markets across the continent (see dates below). Tickets for select markets are set to go on sale on March 13th.

Depeche Mode’s “Tour of the Universe” is happening in conjunction with the release of the group’s twelfth studio album, Sounds Of the Universe (Mute/Capitol/Virgin), which will be released on April 21st. Alongside a standard CD format, Depeche Mode has announced that Sounds Of The Universe will also be released as a Special Edition CD/DVD and a Deluxe Box Set that will include a host of exclusive material:

* Three CDs containing the album, bonus songs and remixes, as well as 14 demos available exclusively-- a career first for Depeche Mode.

* A DVD that will feature three films: Making The Universe, a behind-the scenes documentary about the recording of the album, Usual Thing, Try And Get The Question In The Answer (a conversation with the band discussing recording techniques, intercut with personal archive footage from previous album sessions) and Sounds Of The Universe (a short film featuring track by track with the band). The DVD will also include the promo video for the album’s first single “Wrong” (directed by Patrick Daughters), plus four songs filmed live in the studio in December 2008 and a version of the album the album mixed in DTS 5.1 surround sound
* Two 84-page hardback books, one featuring the lyrics to all the songs from the Sounds Of The Universe sessions, accompanied by exclusive photography by Anton Corbijn. The second book will contain exclusive and candid studio photography by Daniel Miller, Ben Hillier, Luke Smith and Ferg Peterkin.

In addition, the album will also be released as a double vinyl LP (including a Sounds Of The Universe CD) and as a download.

Cities and dates for the group’s 2009 North American concert tour are:

Friday, July 24th Toronto

Saturday, July 25th Montreal

Tuesday, July 28th Washington, DC

Friday, July 31st Boston

Saturday, August 1st Atlantic City

Monday, August 3rd New York

Monday, August 10th Seattle

Wednesday, August 12th San Francisco

Friday, August 14th San Diego

Sunday, August 16th Los Angeles

Monday, August 17th Los Angeles

Thursday, August 20th Santa Barbara

Saturday, August 22nd Las Vegas

Sunday, August 23rd Phoenix

Tuesday, August 25th Salt Lake City

Thursday, August 27th Denver

Saturday, August 29th Dallas

Sunday, August 30th Houston

Tuesday, Sept 1st Atlanta

Friday, Sept 4th Tampa

Saturday, Sept 5th Ft. Lauderdale

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 February 2009 16:11 (seventeen years ago)

Attention Dan, they are playing Boston. Happy?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 February 2009 16:11 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, if I'm still living here!

Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Friday, 20 February 2009 16:23 (seventeen years ago)

Well now you have a choice list of locations to move to.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 February 2009 16:26 (seventeen years ago)

TAMPA HERE WE COME

Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Friday, 20 February 2009 16:26 (seventeen years ago)

Upper Midwest fans = hosed. (I am a little surprised they're not at least playing Chicago -- then again, maybe a festival date or two?)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 February 2009 16:29 (seventeen years ago)

lollapalooza?

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 20 February 2009 16:29 (seventeen years ago)

OTM, actually -- that's August 7th to 9th, smack dab in a hole in their schedule between NYC and Seattle.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 February 2009 16:33 (seventeen years ago)

BUH. I just saw the tracklisting for the full edition:

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Deluxe Box Set Edition

CD 1 - Sounds Of The Universe
1. In Chains
2. Hole To Feed
3. Wrong
4. Fragile Tension
5. Little Soul
6. In Sympathy
7. Peace
8. Come Back
9. Spacewalker
10. Perfect
11. Miles Away / The Truth Is
12. Jezebel
13. Corrupt

CD 2
Bonus tracks
1. Light
2. The Sun And The Moon And The Stars
3. Ghost
4. Esque
5. Oh Well

Remixes
6. Corrupt - Efdemin Remix
7. In Chains - Minilogue’s Earth Remix
8. Little Soul - Thomas Fehlman Ambient Mix
9. Jezebel - SixToes Remix
10. Perfect - Electronic Periodic Dark Drone Mix
11. Wrong - Caspa Remix

CD 3
Demos
1. Little 15
2. Clean
3. Sweetest Perfection
4. Walking In My Shoes
5. I Feel You
6. Judas
7. Surrender
8. Only When I Lose Myself
9. Nothing’s Impossible
10. Corrupt
11. Peace
12. Jezebel
13. Come Back
14. In Chains

DVD
Video
Making The Universe / Film (45.23)
Usual Thing, Try And Get The Question In The Answer (55.12)
Sounds Of The Universe [A Short Film] (10.05)
Wrong (promo video - 3.16)
Studio Sessions:
Corrupt (4.08)
Little Soul (3.52)
Stories Of Old (3.24)
Come Back (6.05)

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Okay, that demos disc alone.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 February 2009 17:02 (seventeen years ago)

Will download the first 3 tracks off disc 3 and the remixes then never bother with the rest. Interesting release idea though.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 20 February 2009 17:39 (seventeen years ago)

Plus for the box set:

Packaging / additional content:
2 piece custom made box with foil blocking.
2 x 84 page hardback books:
The first featuring the lyrics to all the songs from the Sounds Of The Universe sessions accompanied by exclusive photography by Anton Corbijn.
The second featuring exclusive and candid studio photography by Daniel Miller, Ben Hillier, Luke Smith and Ferg Peterkin.
2 exclusive enamel badges
1 poster
5 artcards, sealed in a collectors envelope
1 certificate of authenticity

So probably quite expensive.

I am using your worlds, Friday, 20 February 2009 17:45 (seventeen years ago)

2 exclusive enamel badges
1 poster
5 artcards, sealed in a collectors envelope

okay I am not 13, I don't need this shit

Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Friday, 20 February 2009 17:51 (seventeen years ago)

Little 13
Why take the badge with the box?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 February 2009 17:51 (seventeen years ago)

Corbijn books sound v nice, though.

I am using your worlds, Friday, 20 February 2009 17:52 (seventeen years ago)

Seeing Corbijn photos seems like it would just drive home how awful the Corbijn-free cover is. It looks like a U2 album, for god's sake.

Telephone thing, Friday, 20 February 2009 18:21 (seventeen years ago)

Where can I see the cover? Also, still no stream of Wrong? I've yet to hear it.

matt2, Friday, 20 February 2009 18:41 (seventeen years ago)

Nkay, saw the album cover. Um...I'm okay with it.

matt2, Friday, 20 February 2009 18:44 (seventeen years ago)

CD 3
Demos

!!!

ilxor, Friday, 20 February 2009 19:13 (seventeen years ago)

Wow demos.

hey did all the albums come out in that dvd/cd reissue seies in the end?
anyone get them? anyone get them ALL? what's the MASSES dvd like? saw the VIOLATOR one and
loved it.

piscesx, Friday, 20 February 2009 20:33 (seventeen years ago)

hey did all the albums come out in that dvd/cd reissue seies in the end?

Yes.

anyone get them?

Yes.

anyone get them ALL?

Oh yes yes.

what's the MASSES dvd like?

Rules. But my two favorites in terms of interesting/revelatory stuff plus archival footage are the ones for Construction Time Again and Black Celebration.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 February 2009 20:49 (seventeen years ago)

Is the Playing the Angel audio any good on anything other than the vinyl version? I listened to the cd quite a bit but hated the nasty mastering volume but heard a few songs off vinyl and they didn't screw that one up!

mh, Saturday, 21 February 2009 03:29 (seventeen years ago)

Meantime, "Wrong" got the world premiere tonight over in Germany:

Black Celebration sonics, Gore's blues fetish in full effect, massive vocals on the chorus...on the one hand, no surprises, on the other hand, HOLY shit this is great.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 February 2009 00:56 (seventeen years ago)

Okay I can't have been the only one here to have heard that by now.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 February 2009 14:33 (seventeen years ago)

WRONG!

's ain't etienne (Roz), Sunday, 22 February 2009 15:54 (seventeen years ago)

Ah very good.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 February 2009 15:58 (seventeen years ago)

:)

listened to this many many times now, not much to add other than this is pretty great! solid DM.

's ain't etienne (Roz), Sunday, 22 February 2009 16:04 (seventeen years ago)

bahhh come to australia you old bats.

's ain't etienne (Roz), Sunday, 22 February 2009 16:11 (seventeen years ago)

Very, very pleased.

matt2, Sunday, 22 February 2009 17:35 (seventeen years ago)

I like that new song, reminds me sonically of MFTM era tracks but I really can't stand to see Dave's stage antics.

brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 22 February 2009 18:12 (seventeen years ago)

That is absolutely fantastic. Oh, I cannot wait for this album.

Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Sunday, 22 February 2009 19:49 (seventeen years ago)

but I really can't stand to see Dave's stage antics.

B-b-but that's been his schtick for years now.

Love "Wrong" a lot. Utterly familiar-sounding DM, but seems amazingly current.

Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Sunday, 22 February 2009 19:50 (seventeen years ago)

I was going to say, that's as much part of Depeche live as Fletch standing there doing not much at all.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 February 2009 20:22 (seventeen years ago)

Meantime a couple of writer friends who have heard the full thing are enthusing, one saying that the album opener in particular is flat out brilliant.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 February 2009 20:23 (seventeen years ago)

i think this is a great song

cutty, Sunday, 22 February 2009 20:32 (seventeen years ago)

wow they are really reaching back, aren't they

I mean, this sounds like a lost A Broken Frame song in a lot of ways.

Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Sunday, 22 February 2009 20:49 (seventeen years ago)

god damn that is a great song. mlg does it again

rio (r1o natsume), Sunday, 22 February 2009 21:27 (seventeen years ago)

OH FUCK YES

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=63278919

sturdy, ultra-light, under-the-pants moneybelt (HI DERE), Friday, 25 September 2009 17:29 (sixteen years ago)

these guys are really winning the "effortlessly disturbing" video stakes

sturdy, ultra-light, under-the-pants moneybelt (HI DERE), Friday, 25 September 2009 17:32 (sixteen years ago)

I like how it just keeps getting more...wrong.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 September 2009 17:40 (sixteen years ago)

lol@mustard kiss

Fetchboy, Friday, 25 September 2009 17:47 (sixteen years ago)

Make-out song of the year?

matt2, Friday, 25 September 2009 18:08 (sixteen years ago)

But really, what am I supposed to make of this video? Ideas?

matt2, Friday, 25 September 2009 18:09 (sixteen years ago)

this fucking album.

damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Friday, 25 September 2009 19:31 (sixteen years ago)

<3 eric wareheim's videos.

Simon H., Friday, 25 September 2009 20:10 (sixteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

People better not forget about this album when compiling their end of year list...

willem, Saturday, 10 October 2009 17:37 (sixteen years ago)

two months pass...

saw them live tonight. never really paid attention to them save for three singles. will give this new one a serious listen, then consider what earlier stuff to tackle first.

The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Sunday, 13 December 2009 03:56 (sixteen years ago)

Grimly Fiendish supposedly caught them tonight as well so I await his thoughts.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 December 2009 07:25 (sixteen years ago)

Just barely got the deluxe boxset & i'm blown away by the books and remix postcards. Now desperate to collect them all.

myndbloom, Monday, 14 December 2009 06:12 (sixteen years ago)

two months pass...

Hello:

Alan Wilder's playing piano for the encore. First time he's been on stage with Depeche Mode in 16 years.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:44 (sixteen years ago)

Shot of same.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:46 (sixteen years ago)

Holy shit.

winnebago taco, Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:09 (sixteen years ago)

oh shiiiiiii

anita bonghit (rionat), Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:18 (sixteen years ago)

Here's hoping for a tour with only Alan Wilder-era stuff being played.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:19 (sixteen years ago)

We have video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2umJr_dGpw

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 February 2010 03:01 (sixteen years ago)

Sing-along cameraman?

Yaz Hands (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 18 February 2010 03:07 (sixteen years ago)

Only at the start, thankfully.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 February 2010 03:12 (sixteen years ago)

This concert is going to be up there with the Rose Bowl.

micheline, Thursday, 18 February 2010 04:15 (sixteen years ago)

Shot from further back so you can both Alan and Martin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_9EK6BK9ws

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 February 2010 23:13 (sixteen years ago)

(And a different angle, more accurately! The HD focus helps a lot when the closeup section begins.)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 February 2010 23:17 (sixteen years ago)

I had no idea that Liars' Julian Gross was passenger in the "wrong" video.

van smack, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:12 (sixteen years ago)

Would be great if he'd actually rejoin the band. He's like the great dark horse of the band, and his input in terms of arranging was very important. After he left, their producers have had more power.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:34 (sixteen years ago)

Julian Gross was in Depeche Mode?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 20:52 (sixteen years ago)

Does Dave say 'charlie's good tonight' at the end of that clip?

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 22:49 (sixteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

It's kind of heartbreaking how patchy this album is. Half of it approaches career-defining brilliance (first 4 songs, "Come Back", "Corrupt") and the rest is kind of this big pile of anonymous filler that could have been put out by a competent Depeche Mode tribute band.

ALLAH! *rolls on floor* (HI DERE), Monday, 22 March 2010 18:56 (sixteen years ago)

Which makes it really no different than any Depeche Mode album since, but obviously not including, Violator.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 22 March 2010 19:33 (sixteen years ago)

Eh, not really. Both Ultra and Playing the Angel are much stronger.

ALLAH! *rolls on floor* (HI DERE), Monday, 22 March 2010 19:34 (sixteen years ago)

seconded. Really love Come Back and Miles Away but the rest is just pretty uninteresting. Although to their credit they seem to have tried to go for a different sound, breezier and poppier, but it just isn't a very good one and the songs are mostly kinda meh

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 22 March 2010 19:52 (sixteen years ago)

I really like this one too, but sure not as good as "Playing The Angel".

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 22 March 2010 20:34 (sixteen years ago)

What's odd is that some of the B-sides are better than some of album tracks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyD8xIsUVSo

micheline, Saturday, 27 March 2010 01:21 (sixteen years ago)

Here's another one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-2wPAMUq3k&feature=related

micheline, Saturday, 27 March 2010 01:26 (sixteen years ago)

five months pass...

And the inevitable DVD:

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Depeche Mode

"Tour of the Universe - Live In Barcelona"

DVD and Blu-ray released November 8th, 2010

Playing 102 shows in 40 countries, Depeche Mode's acclaimed Tour Of
The Universe saw Dave Gahan, Martin Gore and Andrew 'Fletch' Fletcher
performing to over 2.7 million people.

Their epic trip across the globe was one of the most successful tours
of recent history and saw them playing a host of stunning material
spanning their impressive 30 year history.

"Tour Of The Universe - Live In Barcelona" contains 21 tracks
recorded over two sold out nights at the Palau St Jordi in Barcelona
on November 20th and 21st 2009, both shows being highlights of the
celebrated tour.

Released on Mute, this spectacular DVD release comes with a host of
bonus content including four bonus tracks recorded across the two
nights, a tour documentary - Inside The Universe - two tracks filmed
at tour rehearsals in New York and Anton Corbijn's specially created
"screen films" for seven tracks plus further bonus montages created
from the on-stage screens.

In addition the four promotional videos from 2009's acclaimed 'Sounds
Of The Universe' album including the Grammy nominated Wrong, directed
by Patrick Daughters, are included.

*"Tour of the Universe - Live In Barcelona" comes in three formats:*

*Super deluxe 4-disc version (2xDVD, 2xCD):*

DVD1 (a 21 track live performance plus four alternate/bonus tracks)

DVD2 (extra bonus content including documentary and promo videos)

2 x CD (audio of the 21 tracks from DVD1)

*Deluxe version (1 x DVD, 2 x CD):*

Contains DVD1 and the two audio CDs

*Blu-ray (2x Blu-ray discs)*

*Depeche Mode - Tour Of The Universe Barcelona 20/21:11:09*

*DVD1*

1. In Chains

2. Wrong

3. Hole To Feed

4. Walking In My Shoes

5. It's No Good

6. A Question Of Time

7. Precious

8. Fly On The Windscreen

9. Jezebel

10. Home

11. Come Back

12. Policy Of Truth

13. In Your Room

14. I Feel You

15. Enjoy The Silence

16. Never Let Me Down Again

17. Dressed In Black

18. Stripped

19. Behind The Wheel

20. Personal Jesus

21. Waiting For The Night

*-Bonus tracks*

World In My Eyes (20th)

Sister Of Night (21st)

Miles Away / The Truth Is (20th)

One Caress (20th)

*DVD2*

-Inside The Universe

Tour documentary with subtitles: English, German, French, Italian,
Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese, Hungarian and Czech.

*-Tour Of The Universe / Screens*

In Chains

Walking In My Shoes

Precious

Come Back

Policy Of Truth

Enjoy The Silence

Personal Jesus

*-Tour Of The Universe / Rehearsals*

Wrong

Walking In My Shoes

*-Bonus tracks*

Insight

Hole To Feed

Behind The Wheel

Never Let Me Down Again

*-Sounds Of The Universe - Videos*

Wrong

Peace

Hole To Feed

Fragile Tension

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 September 2010 14:19 (fifteen years ago)

two years pass...

"In Chains" has subsumed my life

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Friday, 19 October 2012 13:54 (thirteen years ago)

such a fucking great song

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Friday, 19 October 2012 13:54 (thirteen years ago)

For Immediate Release

Depeche Mode Press Conference
Paris October 23 at 1:30pm

Depeche Mode - Dave Gahan, Martin Gore and Andy Fletcher – host a press conference in Paris October 23rd where they will be making an exciting announcement.

The press conference will begin promptly at 1:30pm and will be broadcast live online. Please stay tuned to depechemode.com for more details.

Depeche Mode have spent much of this year recording their forthcoming new studio album in Santa Barbara, California and New York City.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 October 2012 14:05 (thirteen years ago)

I bet it's ... a new album!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 October 2012 14:05 (thirteen years ago)

or they're adopting a child together

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:07 (thirteen years ago)

Bouncing baby Dan.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 October 2012 14:13 (thirteen years ago)

And you're right about "In Chains" of course.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 October 2012 14:14 (thirteen years ago)

ten years pass...

Corrupt (from Sounds of the Universe) lives in my mind constantly.

better than whoever you are (gyac), Monday, 20 February 2023 16:01 (three years ago)

I can't help thinking of Personal Jesus with that track. Something about the synth loop.

StanM, Monday, 20 February 2023 18:39 (three years ago)


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