Good books about music

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What's the consensus on the best books about the music industry? Something that goes into Sony/Universal/Warner rivalries, politics and the general shadiness of it all. I'm thinking hit men, cowboys and indies and the clive bio. Anything else? Would prefer if a strong emphasis is given to r&b and hip hop, but it's not a dealbreaker.

gospodin simmel, Friday, 24 December 2021 09:28 (two years ago) link

THere are a couple of EMI books, Brian Southall. One based on the Sex Pistols' trevails, the other a more extensive history.

It came out and it was immediately out-of-date, so I don't know if it has been updated, but.

"The Rise and Fall of EMI" - as I say, the version I had ended (I think) with Guy Hands taking it over and various artists exercising their options to leave.

Mark G, Friday, 24 December 2021 09:34 (two years ago) link

The Big Payback by Dan Charnas is currently the best account of the business side of hip-hop.

Dan Worsley, Friday, 24 December 2021 09:35 (two years ago) link

Frederic Dannen's Hit Men: Power Brokers and Fast Money Inside the Music Business. Read it ages ago; I think it really went into the pre-Soundscan chart rigging.

clemenza, Friday, 24 December 2021 10:27 (two years ago) link

Oops! Right in your post, sorry.

clemenza, Friday, 24 December 2021 10:28 (two years ago) link

Is there a book about the Jazz avant-garde that focuses on the musicians lives ? Like portraits / the book-form equivalent of an 8-hour documentary.

Nabozo, Friday, 24 December 2021 10:31 (two years ago) link

As Serious As Your Life?

zacata, Friday, 24 December 2021 10:35 (two years ago) link

Ok, from a quick search in the thread, AS SERIOUS AS YOUR LIFE - Black Music and the Free Jazz Revolution, 1957–1977 seems to be what I'm looking for.

Nabozo, Friday, 24 December 2021 10:36 (two years ago) link

Is Ta-Ra-Ra-Boom-De-Ay better than Cowboys and Indies?

gospodin simmel, Friday, 24 December 2021 11:58 (two years ago) link

He's an entertaining writer, is Simon N-B, but I've not read that one.

Mark G, Friday, 24 December 2021 12:06 (two years ago) link

Thought about reading that one too.

Circle Sky Pilot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 24 December 2021 12:08 (two years ago) link

Is there a book about the Jazz avant-garde that focuses on the musicians lives ? Like portraits / the book-form equivalent of an 8-hour documentary.

Yes, As Serious As Your Life is the clear candidate here, but if you want the equivalent of the Beatles documentary but focused on Anthony Braxton, check out Graham Lock's Forces In Motion. He travels with Braxton and band for a week or so of gigs, interviews everyone extensively, and really gets into the details of making the music happen. Fantastic book.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 24 December 2021 13:38 (two years ago) link

Monkee Business by Eric Lefcowitz does a very good job of telling the story and keeping it moving, although maybe someone who knows more than me will be disappointed. There are apparently some factual mistakes, and there is quite a bit of tough love dark sarcasm, but in the way the latter makes for a better book, especially he mananges to hold it somewhat in check and not go overboard. This review seems reasonable.

Santa’s Got a Brand New Pigbag (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 December 2021 04:44 (two years ago) link

Hit Woman: Adventures in Life and Love during the Golden Age, by Susan Hamilton, a first call jingle producer for a decade or two or three or four, is some kind of Redd Kryptonite.
http://www.susanhamilton.com/about-the-book/

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 January 2022 22:05 (two years ago) link

Restoring truncated subtitle. Hit Woman: Adventures in Life and Love during the Golden Age of American Pop Music.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 January 2022 22:53 (two years ago) link

Something about its structure and tone remind me of another favorite, Andre Previn’s No Minor Chords.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 January 2022 13:40 (two years ago) link

Or Irv Greenbaum’s In One Ear, and in the Other.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 January 2022 13:59 (two years ago) link

Anyone read this Lesley Chow book? Don't know her at all, but the book looks pretty interesting.

https://d1rgjmn2wmqeif.cloudfront.net/r/b/249444-1.jpg

clemenza, Sunday, 2 January 2022 22:19 (two years ago) link

I looked up who's included and she her definition of "strange" is tailored to include mainly people who will ostensibly sell copies, like Rihanna and Taylor Swift.

Chris L, Sunday, 2 January 2022 22:57 (two years ago) link

Yeah, if your definition of "strange" only stretches as far as Kate Bush you're not really writing a book for me, but whatever.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 2 January 2022 22:58 (two years ago) link

She definitely needs a less sensationalistic subtitle--Azealia Banks is the only one who credibly fits. And going back to the famous-for-15-seconds Shakespears Sister makes for a pretty blurry timeline. The book interests me anyway.

clemenza, Sunday, 2 January 2022 23:09 (two years ago) link

is there a book about the Jazz avant-garde that focuses on the musicians lives ? Along with the ones recently mentioned, also try A.B. Spellman's Four Lives In The BeBop Business: Cecil Taylor and Ornette Coleman, from the scuffling years to critical acceptance or at least coverage, but way before the "Genius Grants" and so on; Herbie Nichols, who remained a Musician's Musician, and a reclusive-ish image (but is awesome; his Mosaic Records box is the only one of those I ever shelled out the big bucks for, totally worth it), and Jackie McLean's adventures as a journeyman.
Music biz-wise, Star-Making Machinery: Inside the Business of Rock and Roll, by Geoffrey Stokes---sometimes listed with another subtitle, The Odyssey of an Album, also appropriate in that reading this saga about trying to make an album that would make stars of Commander Cody and His Lost Planet Airmen sometimes reminds me of Werner Herzog's Fitzcarraldo--as Wiki sez: It portrays would-be rubber baron Brian Sweeney Fitzgerald, an Irishman known in Peru as Fitzcarraldo, who is determined to transport a steamship over a steep hill to access a rich rubber territory in the Amazon Basin. The film is derived from the historic events of Peruvian rubber baron Carlos Fitzcarrald and his real-life feat of transporting a disassembled steamboat over the Isthmus of Fitzcarrald.

The film had a troubled production, and the documentary Burden of Dreams chronicled the film's hardships. Yeah, it reminds me even more of the doc. as Herzog becomes Fitzcaraldo...Not so much in terms of physical damage, but still the wages of early 70s grandiosity and backstabbing, incl a label guy who explains that it's nature's way for you to fuck with the weak (even or especially if they're clients), but if they get a big scary lawyer you better fuck with them more, launching pre-emptive scorched earth strikes (even if it's the same earth you're standing on, in fiduciary terms).
Also! Alll the money spent on grooming the press, incl. big fat junkets: "And If you'd like to stay out there a little while longer, I know your sister lives in the area, that would be cool too." Sweet! A great book about a lost world, and sometimes excruciatingly funny.

dow, Monday, 3 January 2022 00:32 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Is there a book that altered the way you listen to, hear, or appreciate music? Looking for something that will challenge my approach to music. Could be biographical or academic, but hopefully neither. Picked up Ben Ratliff's Every Song Ever thinking it might do the trick but I don't find it all that readable.

Indexed, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 21:21 (two years ago) link

Have you tried John Corbett's A Listener's Guide to Free Improvisation?

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 15 February 2022 21:40 (two years ago) link

No but the reviews are promising. Thank you!

I also found Brian Eno's review of Alan Lomax's Folk Song Style and Culture via the Guardian link upthread and may give that a go.

Indexed, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 21:44 (two years ago) link

Huh, was about to suggest Every Song Ever since that was the one that got me to really explore black metal as well as the modern jazz quartet, but apparently YMMV.

enochroot, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 22:23 (two years ago) link

seconding the free improvisation book

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 22:42 (two years ago) link

The "History of Rock and Roll Volume 1" by Ed Ward got me to listen to a lot of '40s and '50s rock, country, doo-wop, and R&B sides that I hadn't heard before. Definitely gave me a new appreciation for that era of popular music.

o. nate, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 22:53 (two years ago) link

Robert Palmer’s writing is probably the best at doing that. His box set liner notes (Bo Diddley’s Chess recordings, Ornette Coleman’s Atlantic recordings, etc.) are some of the best ever, but with regards to books, “Deep Blues” is the first to come to mind.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 23:03 (two years ago) link

I really enjoyed Debbie Harry's autobiography, Face It.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 15 February 2022 23:45 (two years ago) link

Xgau on new Lenny Kaye book, some vids in here too (this isn't paywalled)
https://robertchristgau.substack.com/p/hippy-punk-guitarist-historian?r=6pvn1&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

dow, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 21:08 (two years ago) link

FWIW, Lenny Kaye posted this on Instagram late last month and the offer is still good:

"In response to many queries, if you would like a personally inscribed Lightning Striking: Ten Transformative Moments In Rock And Roll, I have arranged with my favorite independent bookshop to be the go-to destination. Order your copy from Carroll and Carroll, 740 Main St., Stroudsburg, PA 18360, phone (570) 420-1516, email d2qv5k AT verizon DOT net. I will then go there to sign to you or your loved one and they will mail the book wherever you like. Easy!! Thank you George and Lisa."

birdistheword, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 23:12 (two years ago) link

I'm two pages from the end of You're History, the Lesley Chow book mentioned above.
Here's her explanation of how she chose the book's subjects:

...they are all anomalies: pioneers in the making, whose output has been too strange for the culture to fully digest... In particular, I want to advocate for urgency , so my focus is on performers whose effect on the body is hot, explosive and immediate, rather than those who adhere to typical standards of refinement and class, such as Grimes and Joanna Newsom...

The tone is sort of a hybrid of poptimism and MFA thesis (sans footnotes). Her insights are epigrammatic and detailed, but not especially fascinating to me, though I can imagine some readers here really liking this.
ILM historians should note that she nods to "the fine critic Marcello Carlin" as "one of the few writers willing to get to the bottom of an 'ooh, aah'", but doesn't consider Nitsuh Abebe's evaluation of Rihanna otm.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 5 March 2022 16:19 (two years ago) link

Grimes “adheres to typical standards of refinement and class”?

Not Dork Yet (alternate toke) (morrisp), Saturday, 5 March 2022 16:21 (two years ago) link

By comparison, I guess

Mark G, Saturday, 5 March 2022 16:58 (two years ago) link

With… Sade and Shakespears Sister? (Maybe it’s a good book, but that’s a head scratcher)

Not Dork Yet (alternate toke) (morrisp), Saturday, 5 March 2022 17:04 (two years ago) link

https://www.amazon.com/DC-Go-Go-Backstage-American-Heritage/dp/1467150533

Chip Py took some great photos of DC go-go shows in the 2000s. His writing is just ok (I like his first person story of being on a tour bus with Chuck Brown better than some of his objective wiki like bios of go-go musicians and history of the genre). Photos unfortunately don't have dates listed in captions so you have to guess the year

curmudgeon, Monday, 7 March 2022 16:38 (two years ago) link

This book is incredible. The amount of info and connections @ericdharvey makes in it is just mind-blowing. If you have any interest in 90s political rap, it’s a 100% must-read. pic.twitter.com/C649KhZuZ7

— Marc Masters 🌵 (@Marcissist) March 7, 2022

Anybody read this?

Indexed, Monday, 7 March 2022 21:16 (two years ago) link

Yeah, it’s great. Highest possible recommendation.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 7 March 2022 21:23 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Perhaps of limited interest outside the UK, but the AZ Record Shop Bags is a lovely thing. Surely big scope for an international edition as a followup.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CciplU6Mwfa/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Position Position, Friday, 6 May 2022 19:06 (two years ago) link

(I am still amused, BTW, that the original poster on this thread is one and the same as this well known figure when it comes to reporting on Q. I checked a few months back and asked, and it's him!)

https://twitter.com/willsommer

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 May 2022 19:31 (two years ago) link

Felt sure the revive was going to be about the Bob Stanley book and the accompanying CD if bought from the St Etienne website.

djh, Friday, 6 May 2022 21:41 (two years ago) link

Withput doxing myself, I also write about Q and right wing extremism by day. The Ilxor pipeline is real.

Xii, Saturday, 7 May 2022 00:22 (two years ago) link

Astounding!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 May 2022 00:23 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42KQCWYDIbU

Maresn3st, Saturday, 7 May 2022 15:03 (two years ago) link

Oh yeah, that’s an interesting book!

Johnny Thunderwords (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 May 2022 15:14 (two years ago) link

The Light Pours Out of Me: The Authorised Biography of John McGeoch
Rory Sullivan-Burke

John McGeoch was the unsung hero of the post-punk era. Blazing a trail with some of Britain’s biggest bands and most revered artists – Magazine, Siouxsie and the Banshees, The Armoury Show and Public Image Ltd. – John left an undeniable and indelible mark on music.

The Light Pours Out of Me examines John’s life and legacy, drawing on original interviews with the likes of Siouxsie Sioux, Howard Devoto, Johnny Marr, Billy Idol, John Frusciante, Keith Levene, Jonny Greenwood, Nick Launay, Ed O’Brien, Peter ‘Hooky’ Hook and many others.

I think this is available in the UK now, but not in the US till June 23. McGeoch died in his late 40s

curmudgeon, Thursday, 12 May 2022 17:36 (two years ago) link

How was that guy's name pronounced? It's probably "McGee" but I keep thinking "McGuck" because that idea makes me laugh.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 12 May 2022 18:11 (two years ago) link

Only ever heard it pronounced Mah-Gee-Ock.

Dan Worsley, Thursday, 12 May 2022 18:15 (two years ago) link

I just asked stirmonster, maybe he'll know.

dan selzer, Thursday, 12 May 2022 18:40 (two years ago) link


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