I have had it up to here waiting for the Beatles catalogue to be remastered

argh *plinky

I thought a Fender VI was the equivalent of a baritone guitar, like what the country musicians called a tic-tac guitar, used to double the upright bass, or the Danelectro Glen Campbell borrowed from Carol Kaye to play the solos on "Wichita Lineman" and "Galveston."

Glyn John's fashion is off the hook

Until it wasn’t

https://i.imgur.com/6LPmCMt.png

I thought a Fender VI was the equivalent of a baritone guitar

a Fender VI is typically tuned lower than a baritone guitar, a full octave below standard guitar tuning, while a baritone guitar is only a third to a fifth lower

Ah, okay, good to know.

Then again I recently looked at the history of John Entwistle's basses and was surprised at the times he was just playing a Precision, like on The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus.

He ran through most of the major guitar makes throughout his career (he even played a semi-hollow Gretsch bass on one TV appearance). He consistently played Fenders from ‘65 through ‘70 (it’s a Fender Jazz on “My Generation”), but when the halls got bigger, he needed something with more bass that would reach the back rows. So he switched to a Gibson Thunderbird in ‘71, and played that (or sometimes a “Fenderbird” — he put a Precision neck on a Gibson) through ‘74, when he decided he missed that biting treble sound. That’s when he found Alembic, and stuck with them until the late ‘80s. (He also kept adding to his massive amp rig, and was deaf as a post by the time he died.)

Full history here (the go-to site for all your Who gear nerd needs): https://www.thewho.net/whotabs/gear/bass/bass.html

To bring it back to the Beatles, Entwistle was on one of Ringo’s All-Starr tours in the ‘90s, and claimed to have played “Yellow Submarine” more times than Paul McCartney.

Hah! I have no doubt that he did, and probably lots of similar statements could be made.

Responding to (but affirming) minority posts from above: I love Mr. Moonlight because it's so crazy and also because it fits into that category of Beatles songs with lame keyboard solos in the middle (like the cheesy department store stag film piano in the otherwise great "Not a Second Time"). Also John is off the hook on that one.

Even more unpopularly, I totally have a soft spot for the George Martin curry restaurant edition of the Help! album. The title song still feels incomplete to me without the James Bond intro.

Poor John Entwhistle...

JE: Finally. I'll never have to play "Magic Bus" again!

RS: You ready, Johnny? IN THE TOWWWWN, WHERE I WAS BORRRRN....

lol. My favorite Ringo’s All-Stars story was Jack Bruce and Dave Edmunds complaining about learning Eric Carmen’s songs because he “changes chords with every word” or something like that

Re:Anthology discussion earlier, i love the stuff they did on Morecambe & Wise, when they sang Moonlight Bay

someone put up the entire episode which i’d not seen before (Beatles interaction comes at 28:15, but they have a couple of earlier musical numbers as well - that boy & all my loving)

i just love how happy they are to be on the show, you can tell they were big fans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9dJG8GnmY

https://observer.com/2017/08/eric-carmen-raspberries-pop-art-live-interview/
Apparently the current crop of All-Stars is less well-known to us older ILX0rs

If you dig Morecambe and Wise you might like this, which I only recently learned about and is quite amazing. Beatles as Midsummer Night Dream's rude mechanicals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXkdYr5JYg

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I saw Ringo's All Starr Band for the first time in 2019 (I think, maybe it was 18) and it was so much fucking fun. We got Steve Lukather and Colin Hay! I mean I got to hear Men at Work songs with Ringo playing drums. That fucking ruled. Also Ringo did Photograph and Boys and a bunch of other shit you want to hear him sing. It was a blast.

that sounds incredible

I saw on ... PBS? one of those shows with Colin Hay.

I mean, it wasn't The Beatles covering Canned Heat or anything, but watching Ringo pound in that intro to "Who Can It Be Now" felt a little disorienting.

lol yes the "Not a Second Time" piano, it absolutely rules but if i pay attention to it it's absolutely cheesy. best kind of bizarre period detail imo. it's probably good they don't have more forays into this kind of thing, but it would be kinda fun if they had as many songs with skating-rink organ on them as they do songs with harmonica on them.

does john ever break out the old harmonica at any point after its heyday? that would have been a great way to "get back."

Don’t think so. You will have make do with Ron, Ron Nasty, I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfTlGMCeuDE

imagining all those Lennon solo albums with harmonica instead of those dirty sax parts he clearly loved so much. i think it's mostly an improvement.

HD Jr asked about mono vs stereo tonight & of course that got me into a streak about how good a good mono mix can be, which monologue ended up with us dancing to side 1 of With the Beatles, my biggest revelation from the 2009/2014 mono box (previously I’d only heard the execrable stereo version of Meet the Beatles). We both highly dug the harmonica on “Litte Child”. John should have busted it out on “One After 909.”

i got my Mono box on christmas day 2009 and i was staying with my inlaws - i put Please Please Me on the cd player in the kitchen and we had a blast twisting & shouting to all those joyful songs. especially with my inlaws, two people who experienced these songs the first time around in the same way. it was such a wonderful moment to be like oh yeah duh - you are MEANT to dance to these songs! (i mean i feel like i have been all my life but it was a great reminder)

^^ I love this thread.

New poll here:
Which Beatle has Get Back most reshaped your idea of?

Fribbulus I'm glad I'm not the only one who loves the lameness of the Not a Second Time piano. And I totally agree re. the harmonica. I've been listening to the Beatles catalog in order with my daughter (with side trips into contemporary Beach Boys, Byrds, etc for context), and we were just wondering what the last appearances of harmonica and 12-string are. Seems like 12-string makes occasional appearances later on, but harmonica is gone sometime in 1964.

my inlaws, two people who experienced these songs the first time around in the same way. it was such a wonderful moment to be like oh yeah duh - you are MEANT to dance to these songs!

We took a cruise with the grandparents some years back. There was a Beatles cover band playing one of the ballrooms, and my bullseye-demographic (step?) father in law totally busted out a bunch of dance moves with my kids to all the old-school Beatles cuts.

i wanna do an early beatles cover set with my band so bad particularly just to play “boys”

Pretty sure I’m a Loser is the last harmonica appearance. Not sure about 12 string.

Seems like 12-string makes occasional appearances later on, but harmonica is gone sometime in 1964.

― three of the doctor's valuable bats are now dead (broom air), Friday, December 10, 2021 8:46 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I think the last Beatles song with (electric) 12-string is "If I Needed Someone." There's also the rejected take of "And Your Bird Can Sing" which was recorded later, but not released at the time (on Anthology 2).

Actually, now that I think about it, the harmonica rears its head again on "All Together Now". It's probably served up as a textural element in other late period stuff.

Yes, for instance there's harmonica on "Rocky Raccoon".

There's a harmonica on "Her Majesty"

Granted, nobody actually plays it, but.

Many xposts but u got this exactly backwards:

It's my understanding that he's saying Fat, but his accent makes it sound like fart

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The accent made it sound like "fat", it's fart, there are treatises on this

Ringo's fart is canon.

so is George Martin's response. He knew his boys.

You play Ringo's fart backwards and it says 'It's really Paul.'

Man, Ringo's fart is the ultimate conversation killer.

I can't remember, but did Lennon screaming "take your fucking insulin!" (much to the crew's laughter) and Lennon's crack to Peter Sellers about leaving needles lying about ("we have a reputation to think about!") make it in the Peter Jackson series?

The last one was in there.

I feel like some of the best stuff had no chance of getting on air. As mentioned the "listen fuck face!" bit got cut out,

SPOKE IT INTO EXISTENCE #TheBeatlesGetBack https://t.co/vCIV1qkY2V pic.twitter.com/RjThQsfUcu

— get back, kristen! (@swaying_daisies) November 26, 2021

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/11/style/glyn-johns-get-back-beatles-outfit.html

i got my folks so much Beatles shit for Christmas they might finally be sick of them (mom finished Get Back, dad hasn't been able to cos rehab facility)

Fuckface, btw, is very much present and correct

Awesome - someone else had said it was censored, but I'm getting the impression nothing was (if those scenes made it into the series).

It was in the series.

was not expecting an Eric Wareheim character to appear playing the hammer on the initial run through of "Maxwell's Silver Hammer"

Then one of the policemen said, ‘Who is in charge?’ Everybody pointed to Michael Lindsay-Hogg, who was just sitting there. The policeman said, ‘If you don’t stop this right now, we’re gonna take you to jail.’”
“So Michael stopped it. Which was probably a silly thing to do. It would have been fantastic to have seen him taken away by the police, and down the stairs, and up Savile Row, because nothing would have happened.”

Cinematographer Tony Richmond in https://recordcollectormag.com/articles/rolling-stones-beatles

BTW, I looked into what happened with Lindsay-Hogg's DNA test, re: Orson Welles paternity. There was no follicle on the hair sample, so it couldn't provide an answer.

Xpost I thought they'd pretty much finished by then

Lmao at the guy who ignores the rooftop concert and the hullabaloo and walks right past the cops wanting to get paid by the receptionist, too cool

Ok, lol at them the day before still trying to figure out if they are going to do the rooftop or not, sort of deciding, yes, we need to get serious, then fucking around in the studio a bunch more instead.