giving it it's own thread where people start discussing it essentially legitimizes it, so good work herms
― nutzhak perlman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link
i just signed a deal to write a 33 1/3 book about hypnagogic pop....it's gonna basically be a first person account of me surfing the internet today....some ILXORS will be making cameo appearances! : )
― I'm a Matt...I'm a DC (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, July 20, 2009 4:02 PM (1 hour ago)
i'll be cool, sounds like a bit of fun
― k3vin k., Monday, 20 July 2009 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^will be cool
― stop envisioning Kristin Scott Thomas with a yeast infection (country matters), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link
i found the pdf of the hypnagogic pop on another board
Until I read the full article I won't know for sure, but there may be a connection of some kind with the Hypnagogue EP by former Keenan faves Current 93.
― anagram, Monday, 20 July 2009 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link
i think originally the term for bands like the skaters and pocohaunted was 'moan-wave'. srsly.
― Francis, Monday, 20 July 2009 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link
yep.
― straight from da seward (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 July 2009 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link
i would not call emeralds 'moan-wave,' they're of the 'new age wave.' ;) and theyre a relatively new band, compared to the skaters anyways..
― Francis, Monday, 20 July 2009 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link
ahh sorry, it said on that message board it was a PDF. I didnt d/l it as i have the magazine.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link
1) The day I give even half a toss about anything D Keenan says about music is ... well, the day someone invents a time machine and punts me back to 1996.
1.5) An erstwhile ILXor who might not care to be named here once amused the shit out of me with a hastily improvised and astonishingly vitriolic Keenan flipbook.
2) That Emeralds album remains one of the best things I've heard this year, though.
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Monday, 20 July 2009 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
so weird, Emeralds used to suck so much upon inception, now i'm kind of into it.
also, Skaters as 'moan-wave' is fucking ridiculous. Skaters are fucking DMT caveman music.
― gonna be a long hot summer for the MS Word paperclip (the table is the table), Monday, 20 July 2009 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link
the wire - 12 mags in a row where i like about 5% of the writing. i won't be re-subscribing (after 10 years).
― nonightsweats, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 06:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I kind of think that 'to wind people up' is a pretty good reason to come up with spurious genre names at this point in time
― Pissed Jenas (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 07:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Also a quick skim of this article made it seem pretty interesting and made me want to hear more Skaters stuff especially... I have a number of problems with David Keenan but I don't blanket hate everything he does or says
― Pissed Jenas (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 07:14 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^otm
skaters rule and deserved the whole six pages to themselves, really
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 08:06 (fourteen years ago) link
I do have one of James Ferraro's tapes he did as Lamborghini Crystal and I guess the whole aesthetic of that project is like taking old corny 80s synth-rock and straight-to-VHS movie soundtracks as the basis, then makng them all twisted and confusing and sounding like it's been passed down to an nth-generation cassette... I mean the validity of this (and what Ariel Pink does which is sort of similar) is up for debate perhaps but the more I think about it 'hypnagogic pop' is actually a pretty cool way of describing it IMO
― Pissed Jenas (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 08:46 (fourteen years ago) link
so er how about that british visionary jazz article eh?
― thomp, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 10:14 (fourteen years ago) link
James Ferraro deserves the whole six pages. Spencer just isn't as good. Lamborghini Crystal, 90210, ED FLEX are SO MUCH BETTER THAN ANYTHING ELSE DISCUSSED IN THIS ARTICLE.
Obvi this is a valid form. It's the transmogrification of the stuff of life. The roadside temple is MEMORY THEATER. If you take your fetish past all limits you're left with the CRYSTAL BALL. It's therapy as neuromancy.
― A, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 10:30 (fourteen years ago) link
i would not call emeralds 'moan-wave,' they're of the 'new age wave.'
yeah, the processed pan flute is taking the place of the vocals through delay pedal, which is one of the defining characteristics of moan-wave.
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 10:44 (fourteen years ago) link
I had vaguely considered hypnagogia wrt, say, Stars of the Lid, Windy and Carl, maybe Landing or Grouper (though yep, Emeralds works too), and had some never-to-be-realised delusions of a tape label called something hypnagogic, so I don't know whether to be pleased or disappointed if this is now a Thing. Though D. Keenan irritates me, so the latter beckons, but I haven't read the article yet, here goes...
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 11:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Had a quick skim of this one: sounded like Merzbowing 80s hits. DK seemed to spend quite a lot of time talking about 80s pop as this bloated thing while evade the reason this seemed to be picked up in the first place: that it was GOOD MUSIC FULL STOP.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 11:50 (fourteen years ago) link
(xpostish) Is "moanwave" the name for every drone/noise act that shoves the microphone up close and cups it and goes "wauhhhheerrrrrrrrr-rrrr-rrr" into it over some polite bowing and clattering of Tibetan bowls and little tinkly bells? I am all for that having a genre of its own so I can avoid it more easily
(PS I dig some of this stuff but there's a lot of it about and it gets tired pretty quickly - OK, I like drone/psych/noise/whatever better when harmonically rich and not just sparse creepy noises, trouble is telling which is which before paying for yr limited edition $15 C20 or 3" CD-R in packaging hand-made from bracken and 1970s toilet paper)
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 11:55 (fourteen years ago) link
haha has anyone in this thread managed to actually read & not skim the whole article yet?
― thomp, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Is "moanwave" the name for every drone/noise act that shoves the microphone up close and cups it and goes "wauhhhheerrrrrrrrr-rrrr-rrr" into it over some polite bowing and clattering of Tibetan bowls and little tinkly bells?
microphone technique is correct. Could be tinkly bells, bowls and bowing action ... could be guitar drone ... could be pretty much anything that is a) repetitive and b) demonstrative of minimal technical aptitude on an instrument
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:05 (fourteen years ago) link
xp thomp - not me ... my "power-skim" left me with the impression that it is new age hippy drone mixed with melodic 80s fluff.
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah the gamelany stuff is pretty much just not as good (except Pacific Rat Temple maybe?). Most of James Ferraro's work is not like that though.
― A, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:26 (fourteen years ago) link
remember "subterranean metal"?
― straight from da seward (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:38 (fourteen years ago) link
no
― thomp, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:42 (fourteen years ago) link
protip: use the contextual clues of this thread to figure out what it was!
― straight from da seward (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Sunn 0))
― De Mysteriis Dom Passantino (jim), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:44 (fourteen years ago) link
if u google it savage pencil seems to implicitly accept "yes, that was just a made-up label for the sake of getting wire readers to pay attention". which it is nice, that he admits it.
― thomp, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link
i've read the keenan article, tho' i don't have it to hand right now - he is gd, as you might imagine, on the relationship between dreaming states and memory and music, less good on how this 'hypnagogic pop' somehow manages to escape the dread 'monoculture of conformity' blahblah that we're apparently mired in by referencing, say, the ST ELMO'S FIRE s/t
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link
that article is reaaaaalllly thin, i'm actually amazed The Wire didn't tell Keenan to bugger off with this
but yeah...telling
― rizzx, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 14:56 (fourteen years ago) link
HIGHLY RECOMMENDED
― signature floor-scraping crouches (herb albert), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah but the problem is he is basically shoehorning them all into some made-up genre in order to give them a coherence that they don't actually have.
― anagram, Monday, July 20, 2009 3:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
im not sure that's really a problem? like isnt that something all music writer should do... connect non-obvious dots?
― 1p3 freely (s1ocki), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link
there's a difference between seeing what others don't see and seeing what isn't there
― some dude, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 15:22 (fourteen years ago) link
otm some dude. The dots are not actually connectable, so he just looks silly when he tries to do it.
― anagram, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link
i agree—i've never heard of any of these bands, though, so i have no idea if there's no there there. and maybe he DOES find something interesting that you know, is conveyed by the actual article and not the cover line.
― 1p3 freely (s1ocki), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link
REMAKING THE PAST is a big theme with the wire tho
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Just retagged Emeralds - What happened as Hypnagogic Pop.
― De Mysteriis Dom Passantino (jim), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link
fyi
somebody say "moan-wave?"
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link
i think all of the people who care enough about this to be pissed off should pick something to tag as hypnagogic pop that slavish wire-followers will wind up listening to
meanwhile i guess er i will be listening to keith tippett
hm
― thomp, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link
All Pussyfooting
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Tagging Electric Red Hypnagogic right now.
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Music to fall asleep to? Damning with faint praise, innit?
― THESE ARE MY FEELINGS! FEEL MY FEELINGS! (I eat cannibals), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link
lol moan wave
― Francis, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link
moan wave made me remember "new weird america" ...
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link
new weird america was keenan too no?
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link
pls to help find MADLIB scans
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 16:18 (fourteen years ago) link
xp. New weird america was keenan and also not half as obnoxious as hypnagogic pop.
― De Mysteriis Dom Passantino (jim), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link
there, i said it.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:17 (three years ago) link
Did anyone listen to the new album track on his website? Aside from the singing, it's like an outtake from The Unforgettable Fire, I didn't expect that, guess I was expecting angles and Pere Ubu.
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:49 (three years ago) link
I like him too, but there are more than one
― sarahell, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 23:37 (three years ago) link
I really like Keenan (irl and on the page - both are something of a construct you have to get yr head around) and have long felt vaguely guilty about slagging him off on this particular thread 11 years ago. He's clearly one of the good folk when you look across the entire field of play (not that he's even a music writer any more).
― Doran, Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:04 (three years ago) link
hypnagogic pop is a good term.
― treeship., Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:11 (three years ago) link