rolling #metoo thread for sexual harassment in the music industry so no one misses out when artists we don't give a fuck about like Tim Westwood and Bassnectar get caught

I’d also add “it was the drugs” to that list, but yes.

Whiney, I think I read that back when, but thanks for the reminder, it's good.

boxedjoy otm

and LL of course (as pretty much always)

love to see the "free will" debate used to defend abusive actions - yes, clearly everybody is equally capable of resisting abuse/manipulation, and that's why counseling, therapists, and support groups no longer exist in 2021.

it might help you to actually understand why people are reacting the way they are instead of knee-jerk victim blaming. for example, I let the man who sexually assaulted me attend my grandma's funeral. do you think this is due to me having absolved him of the crime, or something deeper-seated and more complex?

actually, don't answer. take the FP.

literally reminds me of the homeroom teacher I had in middle school who told everybody that when it came to sexual harassment, if you don't tell the perpetrator to stop, they've committed no infraction and can continue to assault you.

not really sure how this glorifies Manson in any way outside of using a publicity still as the first image? idk all put together like that it's pretty horrifying and tells a consistent story. lock this abusive asshole up. and fuck Kanye West too.

I kinda forgot about all the stupid confrontational "KILL YOUR PARENTS" shit that ran rampant in the 90s. it all seemed so performative that yeah I never thought it was a given that he was a horrible person in real life, in fact all I heard about him back then was "oh he's actually a smart and quiet guy when he's not performing"

one interesting aspect to all this is the amount of panic he caused in right-wing circles who were talking about this guy all the time. somehow that's flipped over the last 25 years...he's pro-free speech, anti-cancel culture, he hangs out with Kanye now, etc. in fact the entire GOP built their entire party identity around a guy whose only real skill was saying controversial shit to land himself a bunch of free airtime. but they still have Lil Nas X and Cardi B to complain about so I guess they haven't flipped entirely (hmmm, wonder what it is about those two...)

Wonderful post, I can see why ilx has so many issues retaining female posters.
― suggest bainne (gyac), Tuesday, November 16, 2021 4:25 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm a recent poster, you tell me why most female posters fled :D

― Nabozo, Tuesday, November 16, 2021 10:30 AM (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

":D"

fuck off

many xposts, thx for posting that slate piece, Whiney - Josh otm, it’s really good!
Even having lived through it, there was a lot i had forgotten. I think of that time period now as “herpes is the new black”.

and obviously all of Mansons bullshit is contextual. it’s insane to think you can just set all of his posturing aside and say it doesnt have anything to do with his actions

it is disquieting to have engaged w his whole thing early on i mistakenly treated it as a wizard of oz humbug situation ie that maybe he was a harmless dork irl, which was basically just a lie i told myself to make it seem ok, not based on yknow, actual info. and the media coverage seemed content with that line too

anyway yeah the RS piece is a nightmare read. that these women are able to tell their stories to each other as much as to the rest of the world is good therapeutically speaking but ugh also fucking awful to see just how pathological he is

nabozo and people like that are part of the problem.

fucking twat.

Tough read, that.

.

Now that we’ve determined Manson is a monster and Nabozo is a bozo, can we ask what the fuck Marvin Gaye did?

(not that anything would surprise me)

Presumably the Janis Hunter stuff?

Apropos of nothing, I didn't know about that dropped Marilyn Manson Spin cover story in '98. At the time there was discussion that they'd gone with the Shirley Manson cover as some sort of slight to Lauryn Hill, as it was the year-end issue, and Hill was their Artist of The Year, while Shirley (and Butch Vig) had merely done commentary for the traditional Singles of The Year wrapup column in the issue.

that could still be true

Well, yeah.

Looking at the issue on Google Books, I see that in lieu of the Marilyn cover story, they had Joshua Clover do a short 'Day In The Life' piece wherein he dressed up like him and went around LA trying to get into clubs.

That is maybe the funniest sentence I've read in weeks. Really?

can we ask what the fuck Marvin Gaye did?

I just read that he was an abusive spouse, threatened his wife with a knife, screwed a 17-year-old, etc.

The 17 y/o thing I knew. None of the rest would surprise me tho.

Where did you read it?

In Kelefa Sanneh's excellent book about music genres.

Where did you read it?

Mark Morriss of the Bluetones

https://annawharton.substack.com/p/if-im-lying-come-sue-me

Mac DeMarco band member, Jon Lent:

https://pitchfork.com/news/jon-lent-former-mac-demarco-band-member-sentenced-to-jail-for-sexual-assault/

There was some creepy shit about Demarco himself awhile ago too if I recall correctly

Yes there was.

hearsay but my wife heard from multiple women she knew about bad experiences they had with Mac DeMarco back in the day when he lived in Vancouver. she had liked him and never witnessed him behaving inappropriately

From what I recall, there was a story about a member of his band (maybe this same Lent guy?) who exposed himself (and more) at a party in front of minors and, rather than telling him to knock it off, Mac started filming it.

Bluetones guy sounds just as horrible as his band's music might suggest.

What an exhausting and pointless way to live your life too.

heres the thing Mac demarco's music sucks anyway so stop listening to it. he's also known about this shit for what half a year? fuck that guy and fuck his music anyway

talking about alexis marshall from daughters

― ufo, Friday, October 15, 2021 12:10 AM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bi39S0mBck
She addresses the abuse from 46:35 in relation to the album and an operation she had to undergo on her spine. Chilling.

Sorry about Fantano's face, but that's how I found out.

yipes

more fodder for my theory about men who name their group of men after women

ugh. LL otm.

I’ve decided to release my full statement about my experience at this time. Hopefully this will answer any questions and clarify timelines. Heavy content warning. https://t.co/5Rz0xNe7v6

— LINGUA “UNHINGED KRAMPUS MOM” IGNOTA (@LINGUA_IGNOTA_) December 9, 2021

extensive (& very harrowing, serious warning about the content) statement from her on the abuse

just unbelievably cruel and hateful

my god what a monster

Ugh.

marshall is denying everything and threatening to sue her, of course

seems like he got quietly dropped by sargent house around the time the initial allegations were made public

where is denying?

not to be all "i hated this guy BEFORE" but i swear ive been hearing this dude is sketchy for like 20 years. when this band was blowing up, i was completely befuddled why people would support this shitty dude with no tracks. i guess thats more a symptom of music scenes protecting dirtbags.

When reached by Pitchfork, a representative for Daughters shared the following statement from Alexis Marshall: “I absolutely did not engage in any form of abusive behavior towards Kristin. Kristin is a person that I loved and cared deeply for, however, our relationship was unhealthy for both of us. I can assure anyone reading this that I absolutely did not abuse her, mentally or physically. I am investigating legal options.”

"Kristin is a person that I loved and cared deeply for...

...I am investigating legal options"

someone's afraid of the ruthless axe

not really an appropriate metaphor for whatever it is you're referring to

that said, realising the extent to which her art is and always has been a response to her fear, horror and impotence when abused while reading her testimony was devastating. it would have taken so much strength to write

i don't think you understand why this person might create their art, like at all, and i get whose side you're on or whatever, i just don't think this particular issue needs your tone-deaf commentary on it at this moment tbrr

Is that supposed to be a Skyrim reference?

it's one of her songtitles

she literally makes art about vengeance upon abusive men; juxtaposing this with her genuine anguish and even well-wishing for a man she clearly loved very deeply is tough to read, that's all