Search and Destroy : New Order

State of the Nation and The Village are great, as is 1963. If there's a NO track from the 80s that I can see an argument for being on the list it's Touched by the Hand of God, but that's redeemed by its video

Weird, thought I posted, but I like "Touched" and don't like "1963," which is kind of like "Love Vigilantes" if that song was bad.

Where the heck is the rando Jimmy Cliff cover from?

A 2003 War Child album

SUNKIST IS THE ONE
― adam (adam), Sunday, October 2, 2005 8:49 PM (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2g9UJdH4MM

The setlist to the first show of theirs I ever saw, in 1985, is a pretty good "Search" list, at least up through Low-Life. Makes a great playlist.

Sunrise
This Time of Night
Hurt
Thieves Like Us
5 8 6
Everything's Gone Green
The Village
Subculture
Denial
Confusion
The Perfect Kiss

Encore:
Ceremony
Blue Monday

Encore 2:
Temptation

As for "Destroy," Alfred's list is good with the obvious exception of "The Village."

SUNKIST IS THE ONE
― adam (adam), Sunday, October 2, 2005 8:49 PM (sixteen years ago)

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I didn't see a post, but I guess Low-Life is getting the box set treatment. Old news that I completely missed, it was delayed due to COVID, but the newish news is that it's out in January with a pre-Christmas announcement.

Nice!

I had no idea they were doing a tour with the Pet Shop Boys.

Search: World In Motion Caribinieri Mix

Destroy: World In Motion single

I think it was the Caribinieri mix, anyway. You lose the catchier piano riff but you're also spared the footballer rapping, and the chorus declared that "we've got the world in motion", and not "love" which is stupid.

Search: Republic! I know its a bit past their most iconic era, but I think its their most solid album. The only stinker is "Chemical" (I think, going off memory---the one that starts with "I wake up every night on the stair").

Destroy: Shellshock, State of the Nation, Subculture. Each of these is tedious its own, but to release three songs so close together that suck in the same way, until they all blur together, was unfortunate.

Search: the Substance versions of Ceremony, Temptation, and Confusion.

Destroy: the original versions of these songs.

Search: Kiss of Death, Thieves Like Us instrumental

Destroy: Perfect Kiss, Thieves Like Us vocal

I’ll be going through your bins.

I disagree with most of that, but agree that the instrumental Thieves Like Us is 5-6 min of pure bliss

You’re describing the No Alla Violenza mix, not the Carabinieri mix (which still has the footballers in it)

I had no idea they were doing a tour with the Pet Shop Boys.

You missed out. (And there were various thread revivals!)

*looks at search/destroy post*

Stephen? Stephen Hague? Glad to have you with us.

I had no idea they were doing a tour with the Pet Shop Boys.

lol and this was something like a twice delayed tour, too, so it's been known they were touring together since early 2020!

And it's a wrap now.

Low-Life box set confirmed:

https://consequence.net/2022/11/new-order-low-life-box-set-the-perfect-kiss-stream/

"new interviews with every band member" hmmm

I'm shellshocked.

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I like Low-Life and always have; it was the first full-length I bought by them after hearing Substance, but I have the 2CD deluxe edition from...2005? 2007? And anyway, no one needs that much live New Order.

there's always room for more live New Order!

The shows they've said are included are some of New Order's best recorded performances. Leuven and Toronto 85 have been on my wish list for a long time. I've seen Leuven on YouTube a handful of times but the full Toronto show has never been released.

I yearn for a New Order \ Mike and the Mechanics reunion

all we need is a miracle

I first saw them on the Low-Life tour and they were at their peak.

Same. Still one of the two or three best shows I've ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywqvSYCIIUM

how on god's earth do you release a "definitive" version of low-life without the extended version of "the perfect kiss"?

iT's AlReAdY oN sUbStAnCe

what do I get out of this

pretty brutal isn't it. can't justify this for the DVDs. hope those show up on s0uls3333k

The full-length extended version is on the 2008 2CD deluxe edition of Low-Life (the one on Substance is missing ~40 seconds). Why they can't include a second disc of bonus tracks (especially for $150) I don't know. I'm getting it for the live stuff though. And I guess because I have the first two and they will all look nice on my shelf.

iT's AlReAdY oN sUbStAnCe

Barely though. The final few minutes of The Perfect Kiss 12" were what all of music up until 1985 was leading to (sez me) and CD/digital versions of Substance butcher it.

^ as f. hazel says (just wanted to reiterate it because it annoys me)

The "bundle" included The Perfect Kiss 12".

Substance 1987 getting a 4CD deluxe reissue in November.

The 2023 reissue sees the audio remastered and expanded to four CDs. This 4CD version includes the original 2CD set and adds two further discs. CD3 expands the collection with alternate versions and extra B-sides, while CD4 features an unreleased concert, Live from Irvine Meadows, California, 12th September 1987, where the band uniquely played the entire album in sequence!

There will also be 2LP and double cassette editions of this reissue with the former available as black or blue/red coloured vinyl. The tape is only available from the New Order shop. There will also be three 12-inch singles released at the same time: ‘True Faith’, ‘True Faith Remix’ and ‘Blue Monday 88’.

Substance 1987 is reissued on 10 November 2023 via Warner Music

Track listing:

CD 1 (remastered)
Ceremony
Everything’s Gone Green
Temptation 87
Blue Monday
Confusion 87
Thieves Like Us
The Perfect Kiss
Sub-Culture
Shellshock
State Of The Nation
Bizarre Love Triangle
True Faith

CD 2 (remastered)
In A Lonely Place
Procession
Cries And Whispers
Hurt
The Beach
Confused Instrumental
Lonesome Tonight
Murder
Thieves Like Us Instrumental
Kiss Of Death
Shame Of The Nation
1963

CD 3
Ceremony (Original)
Mesh
Temptation (12”)
Confusion (Original 12”)
Perfect Pit
Dub Vulture
Shellcock
Bizarre Dub Triangle
True Dub
Confusion (Dub 87)
True Faith (Remix)

CD 4
LIVE FROM IRVINE MEADOWS AMPHITHEATRE, CALIFORNIA 1987
Ceremony
Everything’s Gone Green
Temptation 87
Blue Monday
Confusion 87
Thieves Like Us
The Perfect Kiss
Sub-culture
Shellshock
State Of The Nation
Bizarre Love Triangle
True Faith

Some chat over here:

Represent: Your Favorite Track Off Of New Order - Substance 1987

interesting video if you want to make some BLT-ish sounds with your synths:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc3ioyFpqxs

New Order's Get Ready is their Abbey Road. The Beatles were unimpeachable throughout the 60s then at the turn of a new decade, when new production techniques made a fuller, warmer sound possible, they made one last album that showed they could have been world-beaters in that decade too. But it wasn't to be. Similarly, with Get Ready. New Order were unimpeachable throughout the 80s then at the turn of a new decade (admittedly after skipping most of the previous one), they made an album with a warmer fuller sound made possible by new production techniques. In both cases their prior albums are still great but if one first plays Abbey Road/Get Ready and then returns to the earlier stuff, the production seems noticeably lacking by contrast. Both albums are a tragic case of what might have been. It's taken a very long time for Abbey Road to seize the crown from Sgt. Pepper in most top albums lists, and perhaps an obstacle to this has been one particularly disliked track, Maxwell's Silver Hammer (or, for McCartney fans, She's So Heavy), but even here there's a parallel with Get Ready and Rock the Shack, which eventually will be seen as just a minor annoyance on a truly classic album.

You're most likely right. Simpler for me: I love Movement thru Technique, and I also love Get Ready and Waiting for the Sirens' Call, and that's my New Order story.

Hm. I don't care much for production, as in, I don't dismiss albums because of their production; but New Order are one of the rare albums best at producing themselves, and Steve Osbourne's production is way too emphatic on an otherwise solid bunch of songs.

*one of the rare bands

The band that produced the earlier albums no longer existed by that time, in the sense of four people that could work in a room together and take delight in / expand on each other’s ideas. The songs themselves would likely have been developed more interestingly, with more variation, if they had; this is probably Osborne’s greater impact, rather than the “sound” of his production.

(just checked Waiting credits after posting, and Stuart Price has a writing credit on Jetstream, which tracks — the pulse and build kinda feels like a TWD joint even on the fairly weedy original)

I'm not debating whether they needed an outside producer. Gillian Gilbert was gone as a touring member by 2001 and not there at all in 2005. As a unit of songs I prefer WFTSC to GR.

Just expanding on the discussion, not arguing with any posts.

An obvious distinction is that the Beatles had recorded like 4 albums worth of stuff in the previous 3 years and knew it was their last record and were going out with a bang, but with Get Ready New Order hadn't done much for almost a decade and wanted people to know that they were not a spent force and touring with Moby etc to keep the summer alive. Very different motives.

And the Beatles were all in their 20s with wide open futures, whereas Bernard etc were 45-ish with few prospects outside of New Krder continuing.