the spice girls were an anachronism by y2k
― missingNO, Friday, 15 October 2021 17:19 (two years ago) link
https://www.timeout.com/london/news/dua-lipa-just-paid-tribute-to-the-spice-girls-with-her-performance-at-the-brits-2021-051121
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nme.com/news/music/beyonce-once-told-victoria-beckham-how-the-spice-girls-inspired-her-2935022%3famp
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Friday, 15 October 2021 17:32 (two years ago) link
How about Mase as the godfather of mumble rap?
― BrianB, Sunday, 17 October 2021 14:38 (two years ago) link
Three 6 Mafia is probably the best answer
― aegis philbin (crüt), Sunday, 17 October 2021 14:45 (two years ago) link
xp Mase is another Class of ’97 artist, no (?)
― juristic person (morrisp), Sunday, 17 October 2021 14:50 (two years ago) link
I was just thinking about how puff and mase in particular were criticized around that time for a lack of lyricism, like could they even be called mcs? by conscious rap rockists, in a way that seems almost quaint these days, like axel rose complaining about nirvana in 1992.
― BrianB, Sunday, 17 October 2021 15:54 (two years ago) link
What did TLC do in 1996? Crazy Sexy Cool was earlier and Fanmail was later.
Yeah, I guess you're right. They did win the best R&B album Grammy award in 1996, but the album came out late '94. Grammys were late to the party, I guess.
― o. nate, Monday, 18 October 2021 18:26 (two years ago) link
Billie Eilish is influenced by trip hop… artists like Tricky, Esthero can be heard in her sound.
She makes a case for trip hop from around this period to be influential to a big artist in 2021.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 October 2021 15:28 (three days ago) link
Reach imo. Billie eilish is more influenced by xxxtentacion than trip hop
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Monday, 18 October 2021 18:40 (two years ago) link
it's a reach that I endorse!
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 18 October 2021 18:48 (two years ago) link
Neurosis Through Silver in Blood was kind of a blueprint for what the Pitchfork-reading kids would call post-metal.
Blut aus Nord released their debut Memoria Vetusta in 1996, which also can be argued as being innovate atmospherically.
Ulver's first album Bergtatt came out in 1995 but I am pretty sure people were still listening the next year (and definitely that band paved the way for a whole lot of stuff).
Only after typing the above did it dawn in me that that was a very formative year for a lot of things that define a lot of metal these days (certainly a lot of the metal that I personally enjoy).
Meanwhile, Kool Keith unleashed Dr. Octagon upon the planet... Surely that counts for something.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 18 October 2021 19:21 (two years ago) link
Entroducing influenced 25 years of This American Life segments
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Monday, 18 October 2021 19:27 (two years ago) link
I hear Z100 play way too many piano ballads lately so... Jewel "Foolish Games"― billstevejim, Friday, October 15, 2021 4:50 AM (three days ago)
― billstevejim, Friday, October 15, 2021 4:50 AM (three days ago)
I wouldn't normally be pedantic about this but I just recently learned that despite appearing on her 1995 debut, "Foolish Games" and "You Were Meant for Me" weren't released as a single until 1997 (after "Who Will Save Your Soul" became a hit, belatedly). This explains why I had mentally filed "Hands" from the second album alongside those singles from the first, despite the 3 year gap separating their respective albums.
― Nature's promise vs. Simple truth (bernard snowy), Monday, 18 October 2021 20:11 (two years ago) link
― xheugy eddy (D-40)
http://www.mtv.com/news/3119037/pop-goes-industrial-nu-metal/
MTV agrees with me!
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 18 October 2021 21:02 (two years ago) link
But just months into 2019, a new trend has emerged, with some pop artists tapping into sonic corners more unexpected than typical millennium-pop nostalgia: trip-hop, nu-metal, industrial, and breakbeat hardcore. In January, Billie Eilish, one of the singer-songwriters positioned at the top of pop's new class, released "bury a friend." The song was a spooky, unsettling slice of weirdo electronica that found the 17-year-old drifting from the ethereal alt-hip-hop of previous hits "Ocean Eyes" and "Bellyache," and leaning into dark trip-hop territory, resurrecting the slow, cerebral lurch of Massive Attack's "Inertia Creeps" (off their 1998 opus, Mezzanine) and the eerie wobble of Tricky's "Strugglin'" (off 1995's Maxinquaye).Her trip-hop-inspired lean continued heavily on her debut album, When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go? (released March 29), manifesting in the skittering melancholy of "xanny," the eerie dreariness of "goodbye," and the ambient, stormy sorrow of "listen before i go." Eilish also veered into heavier electronic industrial avenues on tracks like "ilomilo," a song preoccupied with death, and "you should see me in a crown," an explosive and diabolical dance-floor slammer with a pit-in-your-stomach beat.
Her trip-hop-inspired lean continued heavily on her debut album, When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go? (released March 29), manifesting in the skittering melancholy of "xanny," the eerie dreariness of "goodbye," and the ambient, stormy sorrow of "listen before i go." Eilish also veered into heavier electronic industrial avenues on tracks like "ilomilo," a song preoccupied with death, and "you should see me in a crown," an explosive and diabolical dance-floor slammer with a pit-in-your-stomach beat.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 18 October 2021 21:04 (two years ago) link
When Billie Eilish cited something off Nearly God as an influence there was a real penny drop moment
would love a source for this if you have/remember it matt bc i believe it more than deej does
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 18 October 2021 21:11 (two years ago) link
yea my question is, is this a writer saying "this reminds me of trip hop" or is this billie eilish actually drawing on trip hop
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:17 (two years ago) link
Does an influence have to be direct, with no intermediary artists in the chain?
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:26 (two years ago) link
Billie Eilish fell in love with trip-hop after she heard it the place where the true heads get their fix: in the lobby of a hotel
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:37 (two years ago) link
i.e. where I've heard Massive Attack for 20 years
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:37 (two years ago) link
she does literally sing about a hotel lobby in one of her new songs!
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:46 (two years ago) link
Tricky has mentioned Billie Eilish in a few interviews but is skeptical that she is directly influenced by him:
Recently, someone posted a picture of me from 25 years ago, and the guy said, “Wow it’s funny, Tricky looked like this 25 years ago and all rappers look like that now.” Another person posted a Billie Eilish song and said, “Basically Tricky.” And I thought, “What the fuck does that mean?” So, I heard the song, and I thought it was quite funny, because she might not even know who I am. Some people are influenced by me through other people. The guy from The xx said that he’d been influenced by me, and Billie Eilish could have been influenced by them and not even know who I am. It’s quite weird.
― jaymc, Monday, 18 October 2021 22:54 (two years ago) link
but see, if she was influenced by the xx in that scenario, that's still Tricky "shaping the next 25 years," right?
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:59 (two years ago) link
(also, who knows what kind of dusty crate-digger shit her bro is into; but he counts here, as well...)
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 18 October 2021 23:00 (two years ago) link
i don't know if i've ever heard Tricky in my life
― aegis philbin (crüt), Monday, 18 October 2021 23:09 (two years ago) link
i don't think it's that difficult to draw a line from billie's newest album to everything but the girl. it's not a 1:1 crossover but a lot of similar qualities imo in terms of mood and tone if not quite the production. even some of her earlier music i.e. "ocean eyes" ... like you could put them on a playlist together and it wouldn't sound of place. there is other stuff of hers that is more directly similar to contemporary music but it's not exactly some sort of revelatory point to say that billie herself is directly influenced by xxxtentacion as opposed to music that is 25 years old
― J0rdan S., Monday, 18 October 2021 23:12 (two years ago) link
Moka’s list from 4 days ago was great
the best of trip hop was some of the best music of the mid 90s. There were so many dumbed down versions of it in the late 90s though that it lost currency
drum and bass from the mid 90s is still influential, even if the influence has been attenuated
― Dan S, Monday, 18 October 2021 23:46 (two years ago) link
some records from 1996 that I still admire
Sleater-Kinney - Call the DoctorTricky - Pre-Millenium Tension / Nearly GodBelle & Sebastian - If You’re Feeling SinisterTortoise - Millions Now Living Will Never DieDJ Shadow - Endtroducing
also less mainstream
Current 93 - All The Pretty Little HorsesRyoji Ikeda - +/-Photek - The Hidden CameraSheila Chandra - ABoneCroneDronePlug - Drum ’n’ Bass for PapaGround Zero - Revolutionary Pekinese Opera Derek Bailey - Guitar, Drums’N’Bass
― Dan S, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 00:12 (two years ago) link
One of my faves is Harry Pussy - Ride a Dove (but I don't think that influenced bupkis)
― juristic person (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 00:19 (two years ago) link
FKA Twigs also sounds influenced by Aaliyah and Massive Attack. I think she has actually confirmed those as major influences for her?
I’ll count her as being active in 2021
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 00:22 (two years ago) link
Although she sounds influenced by Mezzanine specifically and that one is 1998…
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 00:44 (two years ago) link
I adore Everything But The Girl in every phase and don't hear the similarities yet. What songs did you have in mind?
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 00:55 (two years ago) link
Broadcast released “The Book Lovers” in 1996 and that run until their abrupt end is pretty unimpeachable/influential. I remember being thrilled when Hayley from Paramore covered “Colour Me In.”
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 01:32 (two years ago) link
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 03:35 (two years ago) link
was gonna mention missy—if not musically, the ultramodern chrome blobject fisheye lens aesthetic exhibited in her 90s music videos is one of the principle influences on recent neo-y2k revivalism—but i just checked and ofc supa dupa fly came out in 97
― missingNO, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 03:57 (two years ago) link
XP
first thought was similar - Royal Trux but I honestly have no idea (or probably anyone tbh) have a clear “influence” trajectory wrt them.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 04:09 (two years ago) link
Timbaland a great cornerstone for that year, even while being behind the board.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 04:13 (two years ago) link
lil kim definitely
― 100 flacs (noz), Wednesday, October 13, 2021 5:23 AM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink
With Cardi B and Megan thee Stallion being so huge this feels pretty hard to argue with
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 13:45 (two years ago) link
Can we count Smashing Pumpkins’ Mellon Collie as 1996? All of its singles with the exception of “bullet with butterfly wings” were released 1996.
Wolf Alice sound super influenced by SP. Munya, Mø have covered them recently. Fruit Bats released a full covers album this year. I’ve been hearing their influence here and there but can’t think of more atm. Wolf Alice were the ones that sprung to mind first.
Now with the “90’s sound” making a full comeback I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a Corganaissance of sorts in the following years.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 15:10 (two years ago) link
If grunge makes a comeback or has an influence in the following years I’d bet heavily on Smashing Pumpkins being one of the main inspirations given that they had a slight psychedelic, more melancholic and most importantly less testosterone-fueled than other bands from the era.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 15:15 (two years ago) link
yeah, I would agree to that. To me, who was never a huge Smashing Pumpkins fan but enjoyed some of their music, it seems like a lot of their stuff has aged way better than that of other big rock bands of the same era (Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam). This mostly goes for their more subdued stuff, I heard "bullet with butterfly wings" and that song does not sound good to me in 2021.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 15:32 (two years ago) link
ehhhh aic is low key majorly influential on almost every dimension of metal but they had kinda started falling apart by '96 anyway
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 15:38 (two years ago) link
first Pearl Jam album has aged well imoAic ruledSoundgarden ruledI know, this thread is not about “ruling”
― brimstead, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 19:55 (two years ago) link
things just rule and most are never understood
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 19:58 (two years ago) link
Well I guess what Eddie Vedder has over his contemporaries in Nirvana, Soundgarden and Alice In Chains in terms of legacy is that he is still alive.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 19:59 (two years ago) link
He even (prophetically) sang that!
― juristic person (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 20:05 (two years ago) link
Mark Arm is pretty good at dodging Vedder's assassins
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 20:06 (two years ago) link
This is King Buzzo erasure
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 20:20 (two years ago) link
I wish smashing pumpkins seemed more influential esp adore era but I don’t feel like they are really? I think the music has aged pretty well but idk about influential
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 21:54 (two years ago) link
I love AIC but to me they're mostly a throwback to 70s rock/Sabbath and not so much a blueprint for alt rock the 25 years afterwards? Of the major grunge bands I'd probably say they were the best but musically the least "influential".
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:43 (two years ago) link
idk i think they can lay claim to sludge metal
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:46 (two years ago) link