Maybe the edits are getting a little pervasive but anything that exposes me to music like I Love You More (Mr K Inst.) - Rene & Angela can be called prog rock for all I care.
I really found vahid's trip hop rant up above amusing considering the amount of space he has spent defending mowax but what the hell.
― hector (hector), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link
but i'm DEFENDING big beat here!
big beat ... is cool ... for the same reasons ... that beardo disco is cool!!
― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― hector (hector), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 04:06 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.tropicalcomputersystem.com/
Vahid's analogy comes from the beardo thread, equating beardo's mixture of classic rock and disco with big beat's mixture of rock and club music. I haven't been able to put into words why I think it's irrelevant, other then a "there's a difference and I know it when I hear it" as mentioned above.
It may have something to do with Big Beat's whole uk sampledelic sources, where it's like, the Beatles + Coldcut = Chemical Fatboy whatever, whereas beardo is more about the sound of classic rockers playing disco, whether it's the Doors Peace Frog and The Wasp, Chicago's I'm a Man, The Rolling Stones Undercover of the Night era etc.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link
Lee Douglas! Nice. I love his track and the one edit I have of his.
― hector (hector), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:36 (eighteen years ago) link
What is the girl to boy ratio at one of those nights? Is it mainly guys scratching their chins and checking out the jams or is it pure disco fever?
― hector (hector), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link
I mean, they seem to flow in at a fairly steady rate and the ones done by prydzstyleremixer/discoman@hotmail.com are almost always shit
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:56 (eighteen years ago) link
but yeah, its all about the girls and the beard scratching.
― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link
that means that one boy shows up, and one girl. That's it. 2 people. Can't beat that ratio.
Are you really looking to early evening record listening parties to score?
You're better off with Heather's on thursday nights. The skirt there is unbeatable.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't like the direction this thread is going.
I'm showing up at 8 and leaving early, and have no time to pick out records, so it'll be a suprise for you as well as me. Don't let Mike be the only person to show up before 10 pm!
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― applejack carney (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link
Hey I did my best not to make this connection. I can't help it if I am mexican and love tacos.
1:1 ratio boys to girls is pretty good. I mainly asked cause I wondered if it was a dancing crowd as opposed to a record spotting crowd. Do you ever drop in housey cross over tunes in your sets Dan or Yaz? What is the cut off date for disco in your mind?
― hector (hector), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link
It's not a disco party.
It's not a dance party.
Dancing is not allowed.
Jeremy and I DJ dance parties all the time.
This is our chance to play Thomas Leer and Camberwell Now and Robert Wyatt and Clive Stevens and Group XEX....to a small group of friends and likeminded individuals. See the beardo thread, there's more talk about Dazzle Ships there.
As far as my dance sets are concerned, there are no cut-off dates and there's no need to drop crossover tunes. I play all kinds of hits all the time anyway.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link
I'll have to agree that the market is flooded with mediocre edits that serve no real purpose and that listeners as a whole would be better served with plain ol' boots of rare tracks.
A couple of comments tho'.
I've heard of Betty B's edits, but haven't heard 'em.
My understanding is that Theo's edits are old edits off reel that he pressed up a few times but has now flooded the market so much that there are no new ones. Funny how he got pissed when they got booted 'cause they were pressed in such small quantities and at such high prices.
The A side of the Slying Squad record is real nice.
Suprised that no one mentioned the Underdog Edit series which re-introduce very obscure releases, nicely re-edited to re-express the material, nicely mastered.
New edit series that I'm privy to is called Members Only, which is super-raw, Chicago-style. The first one is sort of a re-creation of an old Sneak edit of a Trammps track. There are more in the works, #2 smokes.
Has anyone heard of some guys who faithfully re-created Ron Hardy edits that they heard on live mixes?
― Phillip Hertz (factcheckr), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link
I know Hardy's nephew or something was selling some vinyl of Hardy edits.
once again sorry for sowing confusion the beardo thread is answering so many questions I have been having recently.
― hector (hector), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link
This comparison is dumb because of the huge disparity between the two scenes in the time-lag between the source material and its recontextualisation.
People hate on Big Beat because its seen as recontextualisation of black american music as dance music for white people. At the time it happened the source material was hip hop from about 10-15 years earlier therefore it could be seen as gutting a still-vital music genre of its controversial, violent and middle-class baiting aspects.
Beardo-disco is recontextualisation of 30-year old dance music of varying ethnic and geographical origin for white hipsters. Disco as a scene does not exist today in the way that hip hop did in the mid 90s, and furthermore, disco as a scene has already been made 'safe' in 2006 by endless cycles of revivalism and recycling so beardo disco can hardly be making it safe for white people.
Additionally given that big beat was a UK-driven thing, and the beardo thing is pretty much international its not even like you can claim its the same sort of people doing it!
If anything its more like rare groove or acid jazz.
― Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 00:32 (eighteen years ago) link
----yikes! i thought the beardos were just Mancuso worshipers? i must be totally in the dark.
― mike simonetti (mike simonetti), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 01:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 01:46 (eighteen years ago) link
uh ... sure you can! weatherall, chicken lips, harvey, idjuts, lindstrom + prins thomas all dabbled in big beat.
If anything its more like rare groove or acid jazz
i don't think it's a big jump from acid jazz / rare groove to big beat, do you?
― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 03:33 (eighteen years ago) link
but the audience for the latter was certainly more male than the audience for the former, at least in UK.
― Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 03:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 03:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 03:47 (eighteen years ago) link
"Listen to this. 303 + 808 + Karen Finley. They're called S'Express. Is this the shit or what?"
I'll finally be able to make a fortune on eBay.
(re: Chip Nunez et al.. remember the remix they did of Skinny Puppy's "Stairs And Flowers"? Alien Sex Fiend's "Haunted House" (which was basically a disco dance medley of many song off Another Planet)? Remember the second version of Colourbox's "Breakdown", with all the crazy edit action? "Faggot shit" said the fans of Violent Femmes, Camper Van Beethoven, and Carnival Art... ok, not all of them.)
― aDOring NUTbians (donut), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 03:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Makrugaik (makrugaik), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Makrugaik (makrugaik), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link
don't forget T.Z.'s "I've Got the Hots for You".
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link
OHMYGOD
I did something like this on the radio once. We played the Luomo's remix of Smiling Off with Finley's "I'm An Ass Man" drifting in and out. Started playing her just because it was late enough that we could but it sounded really great next to all those moans in the song.
great meaning gross
― lf (lfam), Thursday, 15 June 2006 00:48 (eighteen years ago) link
i listened to one of those "Larry" bootlegs today. a side was some Paradise Garage classic while the b side was 3 Karen Finley monologues, one being Ass Man.
i assume they are made for mixing, as thye dont stand much on their own.
― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:14 (eighteen years ago) link
---i have been doing that a lot lately. i like pitching down disco and house really slow. i dont have a beard though. (but my hair is kinda long)
― mike simonetti (mike simonetti), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie 2 (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― jäxøñ (jaxon), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― jäxøñ (jaxon), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link
Map of Africa actually covered a song, no? Not just put the original song in some cool edit type software looping the bridge and attaching it to the intro while taking credit as an artist. Or at least that's what's been described to me by some of this "new exciting thing".
Again, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about here. I'm asking if that's what Mike is saying because Mike and I share friends who have been ranting lately. I'm wondering if they've been ranting the same things to him.
― PappaWheelie 2 (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― jäxøñ (jaxon), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie 2 (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:54 (eighteen years ago) link
uh, hello ben cook / dj spun / idjut boys / rong music etc
― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 15 June 2006 03:33 (eighteen years ago) link
Terje, Rong etc, are producing new stuff, and some pretty good new stuff.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 15 June 2006 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― jäxøñ (jaxon), Thursday, 15 June 2006 03:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― breakfast pants (disco stu), Thursday, 15 June 2006 04:18 (eighteen years ago) link
Sort of. There is definately a difference, but house did inspire the previous pop style to change into Kwaito.
Why do you fight Vahid? Why?
― Makrugaik (makrugaik), Thursday, 15 June 2006 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― applejack carney (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 June 2006 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link
The 'Delayer' remix is fukin awesome.
― trees (treesessplode), Saturday, 24 June 2006 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link