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might not be Irmin but it's certainly Leibezeit and Karoli.

(Jon L), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Sory, I meant old Can tapes. And it is just on Money that Irmin and his muttonchops show up on.

Damn, this IS "Hunters and Collectors" (or what I remember of it anyway, I traded it with a friend years ago, the dumbass I am). It's interesting to hear Czukay's leads over Karoli's parts. Must admit that I'm hearing this kind of differently now...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Should add that there's this one melodic guitar line in "Persian Love" that's astoundingly beautiful. BTW, I think he gets that sound from his guitar from speeding up the tape...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree, varispeed.

the main theme from "ode to perfume" (the guitar melody, not the organ riff) is still one of the most overwhelming things I've ever heard.

(Jon L), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 01:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I should add, btw, that there's a thanks to John Foxx in the liner notes of Movies for motivating him or something. The Conny Connection per chance?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I write for ILM, too.

I'm working on getting Movies as we type.

Bimble (bimble), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Good man (or woman)...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 02:56 (twenty-two years ago)

S.Y.P.H. (the title track on Normal is actually the meandering side-long jam from their second album condensed into a bizarrely focused 'song' with Czukay vocals).

I actually prefer the SYPH version! Holger is doing his silly voices all over this track and I've had problems with his vocals ever since my insensitive bastard of a brother pointed out his unfortunate tendency to sound like Kenny Everett putting on a silly German accent. That SYPH thing is a very very odd album.

John Foxx is indeed the Conny Plank Conny-ection

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 09:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the 2nd SYPH album too, but I'm so far gone I actually waste my time thinking that Can could have stayed good & strange if Czukay had taken over vocal duties instead of handsome, bland Karoli.

Czukay's vocals are so silly it's actually intense. His vocals on "Oh Lord Give Us More Money": madman.

(Jon L), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh I like his vocals most of the time - just sometimes he overdoes the wackiness

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

yes. a good deal of the recent live show was actually given over to stand-up routines.

(Jon L), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Unfortunately, he thinks he's funnier than he is - this is never a good thing whatever your nationality but fatal when you're German

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

run for office, coyne

(Jon L), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

the main theme from "ode to perfume" (the guitar melody, not the organ riff) is still one of the most overwhelming things I've ever heard.

Whoah. Who the hell is playing this guitar? Czukay? Fuck Rother -- THIS guy sounds like the Kraut Duane Eddy...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

that track is jaki on drums, czukay on everything else

(Jon L), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 07:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I told you he was good

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, you didn't have to tell me — I've always loved this guy!

BTW, "Hey Baba Reebop" — C/D? And a tribute to the former Can member?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

What about his collaboration with Phew?

Rob McD (Rob McD), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Dunno, pulling it down. Seriously, what about "Hey Baba Reebop"?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 27 May 2004 02:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow this thread is really on a marathon isn't it?

Being the good man that I am, I have Movies now. Unfortunately "Cool In The Pool" sounds dreadfully silly to these ears. I can picture an equally silly music video to accompany it. I'll pass. Just listened to the b-side of "Persian Love" 12". Pretty minimal kindof like the Sylvian ambient stuff. I still need to sort through the rest, but "Oh Lord Give Us..." sounds a lot more interesting so far than either of the aforementioned.

I heard a song off Zero Set, sounded great, pulling that now, along with Ashra's Correlations album.

Finally got all of Roedelius' Selbstportrait I & II, I'm very happy.
Also received my Japanese remastered Sowiesoso CD in the mail. YAY!

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 27 May 2004 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Does S.Y.P.H. actually stand for something or is that just the name of the band?

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 27 May 2004 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Sigh. I know, I know I can just go to AMG...<going there presently>

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 27 May 2004 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, AMG isn't helping me.

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 27 May 2004 03:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Random comments:

Nobody's mentioned Schmidt's bombastic fantasy ooooperrrrra Gormenghast yet, I see. :) (Actually, it has some quite beautiful moments on it). Toy Planet with Bruno Spoerri I quite like, that has some subtly great tracks on it.

Radio Wave Surfer...I don't even think I got past the first 3 tracks of that, I thought it was awful (at least, at the time). Agreed that the Sylvian collabs are pretty decent. I'll have to track down some more of Czukay's solo stuff based on the feedback here...

I like the Karoli/Eltes album, myself.

Re: Cluster
Good solo Roedelius includes Durch Die Wuste and Lustwandel. Wenn der Sudwind Weht I had for the longest time, since it basically completes the former two (recorded around the same time), but I was listening to it one day and just said, "Nah, don't need it." I have one he did in the early 90s where he reads this poem in German at the end...can't remember the title offhand. Also had one of the albums he did with Aqueous, but didn't find it keep-able. Solo Moebius hasn't really struck a chord with me.

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 27 May 2004 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, man, I think "Persian Love" is just gorgeous (assume that's the song you mean, Bimble). The aforementioned guitar playing, the dictaphone cut-up. Let that one sink into you, Bimble. "Cool In the Pool" is silly for sure, but it's good silly, as opposed to annoying silly. It's kind of Holger's disco Beach Boys thing, I think, sort of of a piece with "I Want More"...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 27 May 2004 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Having heard it now, I agree "Persian Love" is be the best thing on Movies, but the song I was originally talking about was supposedly a B-SIDE to the 12" of it (maybe the person named just named it funny, but it wasn't the same as 'Persian Love', that's for sure)

Also, does anyone have comments about Klaus Schulze? I know I've heard good stuff by him in the past, but if he's too ambient I'll want to steer clear. I just don't have the patience anymore for really ambient stuff (even Eno's) the way I did when I was younger.

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 27 May 2004 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

what about "Hey Baba Reebop"?

It's fuggin' classic

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 08:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, does anyone have comments about Klaus Schulze?

Most of it is probably too ambient for what it sounds like you are looking for. If you get any of it, stick with the analog stuff, like Timewind (though, again, that's probably way too mellow/ambient). I've heard a couple of early 90s albums by him (e.g., Dresden Performance, Dome Event) and they are real snoozers...

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Not a fan of K. Schulze, but you could probably have guessed that

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:20 (twenty-two years ago)

and they are real snoozers...

Then again, I would say that about a lot of the more popular/touted Krautrock releases, too...

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

haha you don't say. I used to have shitloads of klaus schulze albums, but I've trimmed it down to one ("X") which is really good, mostly. See, if I said he was "monotonous" someone could reply that eg "hallogallo" or "mother sky" is monotonous, but klaus' monotony is a whole other ballgame. Usually, (like eg last night) my klaus s listening consists of him drumming on ash ra tempel's "join inn"

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Schulze defines monotonous. Neu! & Can, you can tell they're focused & alert while performing repetitive loops, but Schulze seems like someone who just hits record and is lucky if he notices when the tape's run out...

Irrlicht is a solid minimal drone, I agree X has some great maximal parts, it actually sounds composed, though a friend put on Timewind during a late night long distance drive and it didn't sound that bad...

(Jon L), Thursday, 27 May 2004 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

checked out the Czukay/Dr. Walker Clash that I reservedly recommended upthread. there are a few good moments at the beginning of disc 2. most of it really is unfocused and Walker's beats are beyond generic, they're an insult.

Czukay/Liebezeit/Wobble's Full Circle though -- didn't listen to this as much as the other Czukay records growing up because it wasn't as composed, but that's the strength, this is a record you can leave on all day. overt reggae/dub references, jaki playing straight dub rimshot rhythms into syncopated space echo, tons of bizarre details floating through the mix.

(Jon L), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Fave track on Full Circle, Milton?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

title track

(Jon L), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, yes, a sucker for the Holger guitar playing. I think the songs with Wobble singing are among Wobble's best.

BTW, On the Way to the Peak of Normal is, indeed, great. I also like the Phew album quite a bit...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 28 May 2004 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

it's great. 'Fragment' is my favorite but this is the week for more listening.

I'm surprised the allmusic.com entry for Autobahn lists Conny Plank as the producer, despite the album packaging... bold

(Jon L), Friday, 28 May 2004 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Or, it being AMG, just wrong.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 28 May 2004 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Has anyone heard this? Is it as glorious as a mess as the reviewer describes it to be?

willem (willem), Friday, 28 May 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

no, the reviewer got it right, not glorious just a mess. I kind of want to hear it again now though.

(Jon L), Friday, 28 May 2004 23:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I have this on vinyl. As I recall, it's not that bad, but it never jelled for me either. I remember thinking specifically that Kevorkian's "polyrhythmic electro-nonsense" was what dragged it down. But I, too, would like to hear it again...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 29 May 2004 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to get around to Full Circle eventually, give me time. I did listen to Dan's link for How Much Are They and thought it was okay, but certainly not better than PiL and Can (what a mean feat in my opinion!).

I've actually stopped to smell the roses in my musical life, lately, and it's been good. Just got to stop chasing new things long enough to enjoy the things you already have.

Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 29 May 2004 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoah, here's a discovery: while re-listening to Snake Charmer (by no means 1 or 1 1/2 stars, btw), I notice that the lyrics to "Hold On To Your Dreams" are by none other than Arthur Russell.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 30 May 2004 04:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Milton, can I gets your email? I gots a question fors ya...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 7 June 2004 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Milton, what happened to all those reviews you promised of all the Roedelius albums? Ha ha. Just kidding. If yer busy, yer busy!

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 7 June 2004 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I came to my senses

(Jon L), Monday, 7 June 2004 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha! Fair enough.

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 7 June 2004 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Michael Rother & John Frusciante - live in san francisco august 4th, 2004

see you there

(Jon L), Monday, 7 June 2004 05:32 (twenty-two years ago)

That's an inspired combination!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Or at least bizarre...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)


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