New Order - Technique

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very excited. I have to mention again, when I started Acute I emailed James a bit for advice and contact info and asked him if he knew how to get in touch with Marine and if they had enough material. That was 4 years ago. hmmm. I aslo inquired about Manicured Noise, which I've never been able to learn much about, outside of owning two fantastic singles on Pre. Maybe he'll work some magic.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

'Technique' is the high point of their career for a few of reasons, among them the fact that it is the NO album that best internalizes dance music, in particular the sounds of detroit house. clues are scattered among the b-sides from "technique" era: a blistering kevin saunderson remix of run, and another which pilfers beat and bassline freely from a derrick may song. As such its their least dark SOUNDING album, and the farthest from their Joy Division roots--it has the weightless, stunned elation of inner city circa 'good life', the same chiming chords and marching house feel. Obv. the reason that some (mostly JD partisans, I'd bet) think its "lightweight". Also the reason I bet that MTO was left off, despite its quality--its not really in the glittery mood.

I also get the feeling that the Smiths must have had a huge influence as well on the songwriting. Compare "All the Way" to "Girlfriend in a Coma". The genius of Technique is to conflate the giddy bounce of "Girlfriend" (on the very edge of ska, if you squint your eyes), with the swinging feel of house. its why this album stands out: there are not many indie-house-pop hybrids that work quite this synthetically and well (though one can see superpitcher pushing towards this now from the other side. can't say i see him getting the balance right, though.)

About one description above--"the reflection of CD lasers bouncing off glittering cocaine"--I've never seen cocaine glitter, it's powdery dull; bathroom mirrors?

juliandanger, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 04:44 (nineteen years ago) link

as a huge fan of house music(and a house music DJ) I would say those are reasons why it's NOT their high point. It was more impressive when Chicago/Detroit producers were looking to them for inspiration...not the other way around.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 05:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I heard this the other day. It's good.

adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Julian, I was with you right up until you brought "Girlfriend In A Coma" into the picture.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

hm, maybe the "girlfriend" ref. not quite right--though sumner never played guitar as breezily before 'technique' or after. and there is the marr connection w/electronic (smiths, despite morrissey, have all kinds of dance/soul influences; rourke was in white funk band before)

does anyone remember this being called their balearic album? some of cocteau twins "heaven" done under the same influences (its the only cocteau album I like)... "fifty-fifty clown" and "run" played next to "sueno latino" et al. in ibiza. maybe thats the better geneology of the album's light, pop, crypto-latin style

dan i do understand where your coming from, and its the opposite of where i am in some ways--I found Saunderson through NO and synthpop, not the other way around...obv. these things matter to one's impressions.

juliandanger, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

What's MTO?

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I found house through New Order as well, but when I listen to some of the earlier stuff, it sounds more unique, but when I listen to Technique, it's like, OK, I see what they are referencing. It's not a problem for me as they do it well and I like the songs! I always mix Fine Time out of No Way Back by Adonis, and people get pretty psyched. I think everyone's used to hearing Blue Monday/Temptation/Confusion/Bizarre Love Triangle but Fine Time is a bit of a suprise.

I play Perfect Kiss a lot as well. It kind of mixes itself when it goes through the instrumental parts, I used to mix it into a remix of Patrick Cowley's Mindwarp. New Order are the best band for transitioning from pop/new wave to electronic disco/house.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

"MTO" was a Technique-era b-side, more acid than most of the album. Stood for "Much Too Old," contrasting "Fine Time"'s "you're much too young" repetition. Pretty good b-side, I prefer "Don't Do It".

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

technique is the best new order album by some distance, for me, and i think julian has it pegged, partially, with the balearic thing (and yes, same thing can be said about cocteaus heaven and las vegas), an airyness...

david acid (gareth), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Obv. the reason that some (mostly JD partisans, I'd bet) think its "lightweight".
Some people think this album is lightweight because of its house-y feel. Obv. they are first-rate "dance music is killing everything" rockist types, so screw em.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

'Don't Do It' was the song I was thinking of, actually. It's great, esp. for fans of darker New Order, but not at all in the balearic mood of 'technique'. A haunted stutter-sample..."Don't/Put/Your Finger/On/The Button", a la Cabaret Voltaire. More 1986 than 89, though.

MTO/MTO2 is too tracky for the album; a great song, though if I remember that's the one that bites a contemporaneous Derrick May riff; Chris Orr left his record bag in my apartment after an extended afterparty, and playing through his records the next day I found the song, and was like, Damn! They straight stole that shit. I remember hearing that Detroit was up in arms over "Run" copping the style they invented; Sumner in discos taking notes and stuff. Pretty ironic in retrospect considering something like Kreem's "Triangle of Love" from roughly the same moment. Biting went both ways (though "TOL" is so lame it could be a parody...)

Here's the tracklisting from "Balearic Mastercuts", which was a precis of the evanescent genre in the moment of 'Technique'. All of this--save 'Wax the Van', since the Arthur Russell reissue--is pretty obscure/uncool now, but is a neat counterpoint to the thriving American house stuff, which is generally more rhythmically tense, moodier and more synthetic. Sublimely cheesy stuff but I'm feeling it, esp. Electribe, BBG, and the Grid (early Weatherall). A few songs sound like "Blue Lines" instrumentals (Sheer Taft!). They were playing some shambolic indie mixed with this stuff in the discos, and that stuff mostly curdles my blood: James (eeurgh), House of Love, Beloved, Sundays and that.

1. Barefoot in the head - Man Called Adam
2. Snappiness - BBG & Dina Taylor
3. La passionara - Blow Monkeys
4. Josephine - Rea, Chris
5. Talking with myself - Electribe 101
6. Flotation - Grid
7. Wax the van - Lola
8. Spiritual high - Moodswings
9. Cascades - Sheer Taft
10. Sueno Latino - Sueno Latino
11. Primavera - Tullio De Piscopo
12. Hoomba hoomba - Voice Of Africa

More than you ever wanted to know...

julian danger, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Slight correction, "Floatation" is a Weatherall mix, not by the man himself; Grid was Dave Ball from Soft Cell and Richard Norris (oddly enough they're working on a new album...)

julian danger, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link

so much of that chicago/WBMX and early detroit is just those guys trying to write New Order songs. Ever hear J'adore Dancer by Mark Imperial?

but Triangle of Love is the most blatant, for sure.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Why do some people not like 'Mr Disco'?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe the title throws them. Great song, though.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

They are fuckwits if they don't.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Also - it's a great title!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Dr. C! You never responded in full to my post from last summer. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

It's not on this thread, but it often seems to be the one that people seem to say "I love all of Technique except x" about. The only other value of x I've ever seen is 'Fine Time', which is just as bewildering. More so, I would have said until yesterday, but I've got Technique on a loop at the mo and I'm loving 'Mr Disco' so much.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"Mr.Disco" is a great song, but it's just kind've a dumb title.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Kind of? DUMB.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

The only one I'm not spinning out over at the moment is 'Run', maybe because it lacks the trackiness I'm after.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

"Run" always let me down on that album but recently I went back and played all of the tracks on that album in isolation and they're all great, it's just that some aren't as great as others ("Run" and "Mr Disco" are definitely on the lower tier of greatness when compared to "Fine Time", "Guilty Partner", "Vanishing Point" and "Dream Attack").

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Ranking "Technique"

Fine Time
Run
All the Way
Round and Round
Love Less
Dream Attack
Vanishing Point
Mr. Disco
Guilty Partner

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I love how this thread never dies. It warms the cockles of my ickle, black soul. Also, Mr. Disco is prolly my fave track on the album, so I haven't the foggiest why there would be such hate. I love all of it, dumbtitle and all, but I am ever a sucker for the cheese. If I had to pick weak track on Technique, it would be Run.

jae young kim (jazzler), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Fave track on Technique for me remains "Dream Attack".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

The "Run"-hating baffles me. I blame John Denver.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't hate 'Run'. It's all good.

I love how I'm in love with this album again. It's always been in 'my top 10 albums' for as long as I've thought about such things, but I haven't been so immersed in how wonderful it is for ages.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

less it with the "run" slagging! it's my second favourite on the album, after "vanishing point".

there isn't a single weak moment on technique. it is sonically perfect, and very probably my favourite album ever made.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I started listening as soon as I noticed this thread popped up and am amazed how much more lighthearted this album is than anything else I've listened to lately. Breezy, even.

mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

but it has a heart of darkness. it knows the horror of the post-E comedown awaits, even though it hasn't yet experienced it.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

there isn't a single weak moment on technique. it is sonically perfect, and very probably my favourite album ever made.

You may be right about that. It's one of those albums I've never gotten tired of.

Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Listened to this the other day for the first time in ages.

I love it as much today as I did as a 14 yr old in 89.

But the hiss behind Fine Time's intro pisses me off !

Shooz (shooz), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

**Dr. C! You never responded in full to my post from last summer. ;-**
Which one, Ned?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

hello, this thread

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Hello Alang.

thread (Dr. C), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

(ha, that's what i always think when i see this thread) xpost

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Which one, Ned?

This one. To which you said "Splendid stuff Ned. I will say more later." And I've been waiting! Not impatiently, though, that would be wrong.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I like how popular "Fine Time" is on this thread, I spent a long time feeling stupid it was my fav track (it isn't anymore, some sad song I can't work out the title to will be, "Dream Attack" or "Guilty Partner" prob, I just got this rec out and maybe I'll post my fav later)

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Looking back at the thread I can't really say any more than you've said already - a fine piece of crit and totally OTM about the album as a whole. I desperately need to listen to Technique now! By the way, there's talk of the new one being similarly concise and full of hits. I will get a promo soon I hope, so will be able to report back then.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Rah! I look forward to hearing yer take on it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, me too. i should really be working harder to get a promo copy, i know, but ... part of me doesn't want to hear it at all, you know?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I don't know.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I completely and utterly am ignorant on this point as well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

With New Order, I'm way past the point of being excited about the new album but also being fearful that it might disappoint. After 20+ years of nothing but awesomeness (plus, their last album was one of their best), they've earned my complete trust.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

dan, ned ... i can honestly say, hand on heart, that i'd rather NO weren't making this record. and they are almost certainly my favourite band of all time. it's just ... something died inside me when i heard get ready, and i really don't want to suffer yet another crushing disappointment like that. i'd rather preserve them in the amber of my mind.

am i really the only one who feels like this?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Nope, get ready left me a bit cold as well. It's alright, but I felt as if NO were phoning it in.

jae young kim (jazzler), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I have never had a band reach the status of "favorite act" disappoint me to the point of jaded disillusionment. Never.

Oh wait, I forgot about KMFDM. So there was one, but they weren't even really ever my favorite band.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

(One reason I would hesitate to call New Order one of my favorite bands is because many of their album contain moments of sheer excrement, to the point where I refuse to purchase otherwise excellent and amazing albums because of one or two horrible songs.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link


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