Bjork's new program "Vespertine" Total Victory or Total Failure?

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He is doing movies now. I think it was called Human Nature or something.

Ryan A White, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Agree with Honda, videos of late have been crap. Actually, single choices have been exceedingly poor since Post. "Hidden Place" as a single instead of "It's Not Up To You"? Whatever it was that was up with the "Pagan Poetry" video? Maybe she has gone off the deep end a bit... what next, "An Echo A Stain" as a single with a video featuring the camera being inside her mouth and looking out? Bjork's music is still wonderful but it wouldn't hurt to pitch it a little less obscurely to the public. Certainly a video as stunning as "Bachelorette" would be appreciated.

And Sean, I'm fine with people not agreeing that Vespertine is a triumph, but I just can't understand Melissa's reasons for disliking it so. I'm genuinely curious.

EdwardO, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
Engish isn't my mother language so excuse it.

I just wanted to say to all those who didn't like Vespertine : you don't have a heart!! This album is one of the most original and creative albums I have ever heard. To say that bjork is a genious is un understatement, because no other contemporary artist has been or is as innovative as she is especially since Homogenic, another great album. Sometimes I wonder if this lady is human, because I'm not sure that humans are capable of writing such amazing, touching, annoying but still incredibly human words, so if she's human then I'd say that she's surely unique and one of a kind. enough said about bjork, let me go back to Vespertine.

To begin with Hidden Place is an incredibly well done song, and I agree with her choosing it as the first single. This is my second favorite song on the album.

Cocoon : I found it disturbing in the beginning but after hearing it 4 or six times I started loving it and its explicit erotic lyrics.

It's not up to you : a beatiful song, one of the rare sing along songs of the album and the choir is just awsome.

Pegan Poetry : the hightlight of the album and my favorite one. It's a haunting, touching and powerful love song. I have never heard a woman singing about love in this way, it's deeply original. Even when she bursts out at the end saying I love him I love him.

well I can't go on reviewing the rest of the songs because I haven't heard them enough.

PLease don't hate bjork and be grateful that artists like her exist in a world full with purely commercial music and singers like britney spears and jlo

Peter SLEIMAN, Sunday, 30 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
Gorgeous, gorgeous, GORGEOUS!

mei (mei), Thursday, 2 January 2003 11:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
Melissa, you are nuts!

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

In a nuts way of course.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

...yes...Melissa...your instinct is right...Vespertine is poor...so is Homogenic...so is Debut...come over to the dark side of Bjork-hayt0rz & join our tiny but righteous party...give up the struggle...you know you're one of us...

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 22 March 2003 22:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

You're nuts too.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 22:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

...Cozen...don't resist...deep in your soul you know you're one of us, too...something about that growl Bjork does secretly annoys the crap out of you...join us...join us...

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 22 March 2003 22:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey, wait.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 22:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

...yes...yes...it is warm in the cavern of the Bjork-hayt0rz...and we have many delicious cookies besides...mmm...cookies...yours for the taking...we serve them with a particularly excellent tea...tell us your true feelings about Vespertine...don't be afraid...yes...yessss...

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 22 March 2003 22:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ooh... feels... kinda warm...

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 22:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

...tickly...

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 22:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I love when Cookie Monster eats a cookie on TV, because he's a muppet and has no actual digestive track, so eating = mashing it up in his toothless mouth and letting it all fall out again.

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Saturday, 22 March 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

...yes...yes...more hayt0rz...yes...yesssss...

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 22 March 2003 22:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

... sleepy... feeling... kinda hollow... light...!!!... NO! Suc a fuc, Darn1elle!!!!

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 22:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

curses! foiled again!

http://home.earthlink.net/~patfranz/Jackrevenge.jpg

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 22 March 2003 22:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Meow. I still hate Vespertine. And still adore Post and Homogenic and even Debut.

I have high hopes for Lake Experience, perhaps masochistically.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 23 March 2003 09:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can't bring myself to do anything but love Björk. When she sings "I love him, I love him..." well yes it's kind of pathetic but in a revealing, honest way. We're all pathetic. I believe her.

But I really want one of those cookies. Could I get one for hayt0rizing something else? What if i went outside and drop-kicked a kitten into my neighbours yard?

mei (mei), Sunday, 23 March 2003 11:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

i don't like bjork. perhaps it's the vocals, cos the insides try that similar naive-pixie-growl-syllable smear thing on "euphoria" and i don't like it their either. i thought i liked vespertine for a lil while, but then i didn't.

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 23 March 2003 12:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's a shame that, while trying to conjure up all sorts of gorgeous soundscapes and atmospheres for Vespertine, Bjork forgot to write any actual songs.... after the fabulousness that was Homogenic, 'Vespertine' is a strictly diehard fans-only affair. Meandering, uninteresting and poorly written.

russ t, Monday, 24 March 2003 13:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

I still think it's a really good intimate sex record.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 24 March 2003 13:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
I came here to be all like "Vespertine sounds really good four years out! Especially compared to Medulla!" But this exchange is the new Funniest Ever:

...yes...yes...it is warm in the cavern of the Bjork-hayt0rz...and we have many delicious cookies besides...

Lukas (lukas), Saturday, 4 June 2005 05:08 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
this album is produced brilliantly, has a few stunning songs, but sustains the same mood a little too well and doesnt really break out of it. i just finished listening to it for the first time in ages and at the end of it, found myself a little dissapointed that it seemed a bit samey overall. a bit too willing to maintain the prettiness and serenity at the cost of momentum or putting a small crack in the lovely iciness that everyone seems to be talking about in this thread.

tigertiger (tigertiger), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 10:19 (seventeen years ago) link

"Bjork forgot to write any actual songs"
i think this is the recurring problem vespertine has. weird, cos while listening to it, i really liked it, soon as it finished, i realised something was missing.

tigertiger (tigertiger), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 10:36 (seventeen years ago) link

i really like it but i drag it out the least of all of her records, and initially from memory it took quite a few forced listens to get into.

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

i think it's a great album. marks change from homogenic sound to medulla sound, stripping down beats and textures to emphasize vocals and rhythm. i consider vespertine and medulla to be really interesting efforts - seem to be kind of a phase for her. i don't think the fact that Vespertine is a bit homogenic (as in the adjective, not the album) is fine - the moods are beautiful enough to hold their own. and if you think about it, Homogenic is pretty homogenic, itself, what with the textures - the lush orchestral arrangements.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

*i DO think the fact that Vespertine is homogenic is fine.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

also, i don't think it's a bad thing to not break your back making a record. seems like she wanted to chill out with Vespertine - put down what simply came out of her, and decorate it with really pretty instrumentation. that's fine by me, especially considering what comes easy to bjork is infinitely better than a lot of other contemporary artists.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

and just for the record, Debut RULES

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

It's good, but it's an album I find hard to pay much attention to, it just kind of wafts about in the background (exception: the masterful Pagan Poetry), unlike her first three records.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

What's the verdict on Medulla? I'd like to like it, but really can't get into it at all.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I loveloveloved "Oceania" but felt no desire to explore the rest of the album; it's like that song was so perfect it completely satiated any desire I might have to listen to the album.

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I loveloveloved "Oceania" but felt no desire to explore the rest of the album; it's like that song was so perfect it completely satiated any desire I might have to listen to the album.

Ha! I felt exactly the same.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

What's the verdict on Medulla?
Good album, mostly. Markedly better than Vespertine for the sole fact that it has that song that sounds like Debussy (think "Sirenes") gone pop, "Oceania."

But then, there's also good songs like "Pleasure is all Mine," "Mouth's Cradle," "Triumph of a Heart," "Sonnets / Unrealities" & the Robert Wyatt duet "Submarine."

I'll pretend "Desired Constellation" never existed, though.

Turangalila (Salvador), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh yeah, "Triumph of a Heart" was also good but seriously nothing can compare to "Oceania"; that might be my favorite song of hers of all time.

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Dan Perry, Nico Muhly (the guy who helped arrange Oceania) has a new album out. It's nothing mindblowing but it's nicely produced, and the last track with Antony singing is nice.

Turangalila (Salvador), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

i haven't heard medulla enough, but what i've heard, i really like. i love the vocal experimentation, and i like that she seems to throw everything to the wind (i don't even know if that's an expression). it's like she really just wanted to go kinda crazy, and she did, and it's fun to listen to!

i think it's bold to put some of those vocal noises on a "pop" record - it reminds me of some of kate bush's stuff on The Dreaming, but even more bizarre. also, those bloopy noises on that one track - where is the line with you? - are very reminiscent of some bloopy noises on The Dreaming.

and i just really like that bjork always leaves room for flaws in her music.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Ok.

Turangalila (Salvador), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

hehe i know, non sequitors much

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

i think what i mean is, like that track, you know, with all the grunts and groans - it's like, she's taking her style to the extreme insofar as she is allowing room for imperfection, you know?

room for like total vocal failure. bjork has talked about how she has come to accept the fact that sometimes her voice "sounds beautiful, sometimes not so beautiful," or something like that. i feel like that sort of margin for error is apparent in pretty much all her stuff, in the looseness of some of the arrangements, but mainly in the cadence of her voice. it's not always perfect, and that's kind of the point. with that part of Medulla, i feel like she's driving the point home: total failure is its own artform. i love that.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:36 (seventeen years ago) link

dan did you ever hear the 'oceania' duet with kelis?

total failure is its own artform

erm i don't think this is true, nor do i think it's anything that bjork has aimed for/'left room for' - most of her solo work has totally had a perfectionist streak about it! i don't think much she's done is any different to exactly what she wanted it to be.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

(i really like vespertine and medúlla btw)

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

hmm, i don't know... i mean, the arrangements on vespertine are certainly not perfectionist to me, except for maybe hidden place. a lot of the treble heavy instrumentation on that album seems quite loosely arranged. and i don't think her voice has ever been perfectionist. it fluctuates, ebbs and flows - like a lot.

granted, i do think perfectionism is very different from making it what she wants it to be. i don't know she wants her voice to sound perfect - i've definitely heard her say something to this effect.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

*i don't know that she wants her voice to sound perfect.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

dan did you ever hear the 'oceania' duet with kelis?

I have! It's also awesome (and points out that the song itself is really really strong in addition to the renditions).

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't know exactly what bjork's voice does technically (no doubt dan perry will inform us) but i think those ebbs-and-flows are precisely what she wants to do with it! i mean she's not trying to be xtina aguilera here, this much is obvious.

xp

I have! It's also awesome (and points out that the song itself is really really strong in addition to the renditions).

yes it definitely made me go back to the original and hear it with new ears - i'd previously thought 'oceania' was one of the more impenetrable tracks (compared with 'where is the line?' or 'who is it?') but it really isn't.

haha i've just remembered about 'ancestors'!!!

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link


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