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with the might of your pen.

or blog, whatever.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 24 March 2003 20:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't think my review was the best thing I've ever written by a longshot, but it says what I want it to say (it's here if you're interested).

the reason I bring this up at all is that, like anyone, I've misheard records in the past and wound up changing my mind over time. maybe that will happen here, but I still don't like Terror Twilight apart from three good songs, and the six or seven times I played Pig Lib I didn't hear three good songs. maybe in five years I will hear the error of my ways, but I just wondered if anyone else agreed w/me.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 24 March 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the 1st song, the wipers-y one (dark wave?) and um... i forget the names/order of the rest. that 1st song is great though. his new band = tight.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 24 March 2003 20:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

There's a good review in the latest Voice - another Godrich-hata, yay!

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's Joe from upthread. Hey Joe!

― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

that's the most convincing positive review I've seen for sure, though I don't quite agree with it

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

You don't have to agree with everything that is right with world.

― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

matos:

You missed your big chance to tell malkmus that you trashed his new record!!!

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 27 March 2003 05:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hadn't made up my mind yet about the record when I did that interview, gygax!

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

nine months pass...

I've been digging this album up occasionally since I bought it. Listened to it last night and I've decided I probably like it more than most Pavement albums, and I LOVE Pavement. I like practically every song on there apart from maybe Craw Song which is just okay but not awful.

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 8 January 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

It did eventually grow on me (it's maybe a little too pleased with itself and proggy for me) but saying it's better than most Pavement albums is insane. I think I'll give it another listen tonite, I havent heard it in ages either.

― Michael B, Thursday, 8 January 2004 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

I compare it with Geogaddi by Boards of Canada, my girlfriend and chili con carne cos it's best after a short break from it. (!)

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 8 January 2004 13:41 (twenty years ago) link

I'm as hardcore a Pavement fan as you can hope to be, and I probably prefer Pig Lib to at least Terror Twilight, and it's about even with Brighten The Corners for me. Just saying, Michael B.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:05 (twenty years ago) link

Not sure why it's insane to rate Pig Lib higher than most Pavement records. Different people/different opinions, but I've seen mine shared by enough people that I don't question its sanity (Westing+Slanted+Wowee = good, everything else = snooze).

― dlp9001, Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:25 (twenty years ago) link

god Slanted is so fucking overrated

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

Is it? I always thought Crooked Rain was the overrated one.

― dlp9001, Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:38 (twenty years ago) link

brighten the corners is the overrated one, it is teh suck.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:48 (twenty years ago) link

I saw him play last month; it was like being at a John Mayer concert.

― Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:52 (twenty years ago) link

I don't get the love for Slanted - it's my least favourite of the lot. Terror Twilight gets dissed too much. I reckon it's simply down to "heard'em first" snobbery really.

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:10 (twenty years ago) link

It's not snobbery! I didn't hear any Pavement until several years after they came out. I have zero indie "attitude" or whatever.

"Slanted" just happens to be a terrific fucking album. EVEN IF lots of other people think so!

― Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago) link

I love Pig Lib to death, the fourth-best thing IMO he's been involved in after Crooked Rain, American Water, and S&E. So I'm feeling impassioned. I have three questions. Does anyone caught up in peripheral Malkmus cred issues care at all that "1% of One" is 9:11 long, as in 9/11, and the next song, called "US," as in U.S., not "Us," starts out "I wish we could get our act together"? Is _Pig Lib_--a musically political album insofar as that cool dude from Pavement goes full-on Rush/Mellow Candle-prog--a politically political album, too? And to all you Malkmus hating Berman lovers up thread--Why can't monsters get along with other monsters?

― otto, Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

I saw him play last month; it was like being at a John Mayer concert.

lots of super hot 18 year old chicks in the crowd, huh?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:17 (twenty years ago) link

I saw him play last month; it was like being at a John Mayer concert.

You attend John Mayer concerts often, do you?

― dean gulberry (deangulberry), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, I'm his road manager.

― Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:26 (twenty years ago) link

I saw him play last month; it was like being at a John Mayer concert.

Yeah, Mayer loves those Mellow Candle covers.

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:29 (twenty years ago) link

Does anyone caught up in peripheral Malkmus cred issues care at all that "1% of One" is 9:11 long, as in 9/11, and the next song, called "US," as in U.S., not "Us," starts out "I wish we could get our act together"?

dude, don't.

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:30 (twenty years ago) link

So I looked at _Pig Lib_, and all the song titles are capitalized. I am dim, but still, doesn't anyone else care, in a thread devoted to "1% of One," that the song's 9:11 long? 9/11 . . . political . . . "make some sense of present tense, alright?" . . . prog rock suite by Pavement guy . . . . Anyone? Anyone? Okay, I'll go crawl back into my missile shelter.

― otto, Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:30 (twenty years ago) link

Let me add: Malkmus IS thinner than Mayer.

― Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:36 (twenty years ago) link

Wowee Zowee is the overrated one.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:41 (twenty years ago) link

indie lust wagon confession: i find the older, mellower malkmus very rowr. he's transitioned nicely from "wiry alt-thug" to "lanky, mysterious thirtysomething who's probably a lot less aloof than he looks." also i like the way his sexuality's starting to blossom on this record. i know everyone hates "craw song" but every time i hear him sing "check me out, i love so well" this image i get of malk-as-superstud-preening-over-his-performance really makes me giggle like a schoolgirl. "vanessa from queens" too ("got your ballerina tights around my head/in a samurai pose on the bed").

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago) link

What does "1% of One" (the phrase) have to do with 9/11 then? Tell me that and I may consider this conspiracy theory..

― dean gulberry (deangulberry), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:50 (twenty years ago) link

That "Crust Brothers" CD is the overrated one! Enough with the hosannas, world! It's been six years, for crying out loud!

I think the older Malkmus is indeed sexier than ever, in a way. It's weird: he doesn't necessarily look older - his face has just sort of gotten a little wider or something. He looks like some other guy mixed with Steve Malkmus.

― Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link

The margin by which Gore beat Bush? SM did tour with those Hail to the Thief people this summer . . . .

Nah, I don't believe it, either. But maybe somebody who knows more than me can help.

― otto, Thursday, 8 January 2004 23:17 (twenty years ago) link

(sorry, but: mellow candle!!)

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 8 January 2004 23:23 (twenty years ago) link

the truth is out there.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 8 January 2004 23:25 (twenty years ago) link

Matos, the link upthread to your Pig Lib review doesn't work anymore. Where can I find it?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago) link

I just want to point out that Malkmus has been performing 1% Of One live since 2000, with more or less the same lyrics, so there's just no fucking way it is about September 11th, alright?

And "Us" is a break-up/love song!

Even when he's making an effort to be heart-on-sleeve, people still want to force him into being esoteric through sheer force of will!

Nothing by Malkmus is overrated. Everything he does is perfect. Believe me.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

And I like "Craw Song" a lot, Jody. I like the lyrics and the backing vocals, especially. Why bother covering "Waterloo Sunset" when you can just make a new song out of it?

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, it's "waterloo sunset" by way of early todd rundgren. with some zydeco influence.

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago) link

"everything is he does is perfect"?!?!

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.ergir.com/saatli/clapton_is_god.jpg

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

Fiddo - I'm a huge Malk fanboy, but I was pretty much kidding around.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:39 (twenty years ago) link

Matthew, have you heard any post-Pig Lib songs?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

okay, i should clarify before someone points out the holes in that question.

"Matthew, have you heard any songs SM wrote post-Pig Lib that haven't be released yet?"

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:42 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, and they sound like Pig Lib 2.0, more or less. Not so much the Vanessa/Craw/Ramp stuff, but more like Oyster/Witch/Water/1%/Us. The songs I know don't have fixed titles yet - there's about four of them out there.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

My fervent hopes for the next album - which, for some reason I suspect will come out in Dec 04 or Jan 05 - is that it's messier, proggier and uglier.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:45 (twenty years ago) link

by way of early todd rundgren

i have a specific song in mind here -- "we gotta get you a woman" from runt (the song that starts "leeeeroy, boy, is that you?").

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:47 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, I should mention that one of the songs, the one I call "Daddy" but others call (inexplicably) "Face The Truth," is probably one of the best songs he's ever written.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:49 (twenty years ago) link

Ray, going on the songs I know, you're probably in for a disappointment. He's definitely going for a cleaner sound.

It is getting more proggy, though, but only so much. It's not fucking Rush or Yes, it's more like...Pig Lib.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:50 (twenty years ago) link

I'm torn....I think Pig Lib is way way better an album than his s/t solo debut, but part of me wishes he could do like Paul Westerburg and release two different records, one of proglove and one of his nu-Steely Dan story songs like Jenny and the Ess Dog and Us and Vanessa...

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:51 (twenty years ago) link

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