I disagree this is a problem or ridiculous. People of privilege expecting not to have to take ownership of their own words and actions, like fucking grownups, that's ridiculous. These were formative experiences for me, and owning the embarrassment of them is *my* responsibility.— steve albini (@electricalWSOP) October 12, 2021
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 00:41 (two years ago) link
Wow
― Spiral Scratchiti (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 01:10 (two years ago) link
i couldn't find what this was in response to. who out there thinks they are some amazing detective who has uncovered unknown Albini nastiness?
― akm, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 01:13 (two years ago) link
Good question
― Spiral Scratchiti (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 01:15 (two years ago) link
Zoomer: "Songs About What-ing?"
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 01:16 (two years ago) link
i appreciate the context he includes there, not to excuse, but to explain. these types of discussions seem to usually occur with no context at all and this one probably will too but that is about as clear-eyed a statement as possible.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 01:33 (two years ago) link
Good for him; I know at least a dozen white dudes who were awkward, ignorant music nerd proto-edgelords 20 or 30 years ago who said all kinds of vile shit punching downward at people less privileged than them, and I know for sure (or feel pretty confident) that the majority of them see the world in a much different way now and are lucky that the things they said no longer follow them around because they were never captured in print or on video.
The ones who doubled down on it though...
― joygoat, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 01:35 (two years ago) link
re: what this was in response to — random responses to this:
It's not hard to reconcile that Dave Chappelle, once he got rich enough to be comfortable for life, reverted to ideas suited to people who feel entitled to certainty and comfort in their notion of the world, including their perception of others. You know, regular asshole stuff.— steve albini (@electricalWSOP) October 8, 2021
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 05:03 (two years ago) link
About time!!
fwiw I have seen several wokebini instances in recent years - this interview from February is good
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 07:22 (two years ago) link
Lol the post eazy highlighted definitely changes the context of this
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 07:28 (two years ago) link
He seems like an ok guy now, so much so that I overlook his penchant to tweet about poker (which would normally warrant an immediate unfollow).
― Sam Weller, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 07:43 (two years ago) link
Never really been a fan, but this is an excellent tweet
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 07:52 (two years ago) link
Albini has always (or long as I can remember) been an OK guy, as far as I know. And I forgive him the poker tweets because he's good at it! (And cooking, too.) Either way, he has of course never been shy about speaking his mind. What's relatively new is that he seems willing to preemptively speak his mind and participate in the (more) public discourse, not as a reactionary talking head good for a quote but as a leader of sorts.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 12:17 (two years ago) link
well the next thing he can do is admit that, part and parcel to his status as king Edgelord, his attitudes about music other than his vaunted indie and punk were hideously bigoted… specifically his comments re: hip-hop to John Leland in Spin in '85 or '86… and he can also say he's sorry for referring to VH as "the Halen," as one would refer to Priest or Maiden, in his capacity as the cub reporter for whichever Montana newspaper it was…
― veronica moser, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 12:56 (two years ago) link
I bet he was a little asshole in kindergarten too
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 13:07 (two years ago) link
I enjoy some of the edgelord-era Albini stuff, not the things vm is referring to there, more the scathing takedowns of bands like Pixies or whatever. I know that's not what he was referring to in those tweets. More just the withering, yes-they-are-as-lame-as-you-imagined type stuff, which, even though he has apologized profusely for it, still seems like it was probably right otm:
Their willingness to be 'guided' by their manager, their record company and their producers is unparalleled. Never have I seen four cows more anxious to be led around by their nose rings
― Position Position, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 13:13 (two years ago) link
I wonder if his music tastes have changed much or does he just listen to The Mentally Ill and MX-80 Sound?
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 13:20 (two years ago) link
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, October 13, 2021 8:20 AM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
He likes Leather Nun too
The tweets by Todd Trainer's drummer are pretty consistent with my interactions with him off & on for last twenty-ish yrs
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 13:26 (two years ago) link
Sorry he's Todd's *guitar player*, I forget Todd plays drums cuz he's the frontman
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 13:28 (two years ago) link
and he can also say he's sorry for referring to VH as "the Halen,"
Have heard this said "in the wild", so giving Albini a pass on that one.I once crossed a (v.small) picket line of protestors outside a R@peman gig in London, sorry all.
― let the gaslighting begin (Matt #2), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 13:39 (two years ago) link
it is a deeply shameful band name and i do not care if it's from a comici do not care if it was the 80si do not care that the project didn't last very longi do not care that he apparently apologized in april 2020 on some random podcast about it
i have yet to see evidence of understanding of exactly how bad it is
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 14:11 (two years ago) link
not a huge odd future fan iirc
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 14:48 (two years ago) link
The odd future thing did sound like a fucking nightmare tbh. And with Heathcliff Beru working for them at the time as well.
― Position Position, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 15:42 (two years ago) link
Tyler said it didn't happen, but ok
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 15:54 (two years ago) link
Or at least not the way Steve claims
https://i.imgur.com/kmfAq.jpeg
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 16:00 (two years ago) link
Ah well case closed
― badg, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 16:01 (two years ago) link
Fwiw, even Beru said "Lol. I was there too ... I felt bad for everyone in the back of the ride that day."
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2011/aug/10/steve-albini-odd-future
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 16:11 (two years ago) link
I am quite happy none of them engaged me directly, because at least one of us would have regretted it.
This is such a Reddit tough guy thing to say
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 16:14 (two years ago) link
details of the actual ride aside, steves obvious thrill at the chance to use certain words was always the real WTF for me there
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 16:19 (two years ago) link
fun fact: people have tried to cancel me before because my wife worked for albini and he is someone i generally fuck with. the reason i do is because i have watched him learn and grow, quietly, from the sidelines - even over the past 15 years https://t.co/C5G7Rrc25B— jes skolnik (ghost version) (@modernistwitch) October 12, 2021
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 17:26 (two years ago) link
xp Give me a break with "obvious thrill". How could you know that? He should have said "n-bomb" in his messages, but his words could easily be interpreted as a person repeating to convey the offense/shock he felt as a captive audience in the situation. I don't care one way or the other, but to say he experienced a thrill from writing it is projection.
― beard papa, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 17:34 (two years ago) link
it is a deeply shameful band name andi do not care if it's from a comici do not care if it was the 80si do not care that the project didn't last very longi do not care that he apparently apologized in april 2020 on some random podcast about it
The guy is 60, maybe he'll have gotten it by the time he reaches 70.
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 17:37 (two years ago) link
xp "the bad rappers then said - and it is with great anguish and certainly no pleasure that i type these awful words, but i feel it is my journalistic duty to do so - the following specific epithets:"
a 50something white man in 2011 with his pedigree knows better, and does not put those words before an audience before thinking "can i get away with this". he did it bc he thought the EA messageboard wouldnt care.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 17:43 (two years ago) link
his attitudes about music other than his vaunted indie and punk were hideously bigoted
I remember seeing him talk about House Music (maybe in that Grohl series?) and say that even though he dismissed it at the time he can now see that it was as revolutionary as punk rock
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 17:49 (two years ago) link
omg this dude is so boring
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 17:49 (two years ago) link
Im a fan of him as like a pundit weirdly but a lot of ppl here are bending over backwards to make someone who doesn’t fit into the current discursive paradigm seem like they fit in lol
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 17:51 (two years ago) link
Like, he’s clearly been super wrong and the test of time has embarrassed him but ppl want his framing of shit to remain righteous & central so they rewrite everything
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 17:52 (two years ago) link
― beard papa, Wednesday, October 13, 2021 12:34 PM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Lol I’m sorry, no
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 17:53 (two years ago) link
Give me a break with "obvious thrill". How could you know that?
https://www.discogs.com/artist/2431412-Run-Nigger-Run
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 17:57 (two years ago) link
Stoically and sternly turning in my track with Nash Kato to Tellus intending to convey the offense and shock I feel as a captive audience in a situation
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 18:00 (two years ago) link
Have y'all seen him in "The Art of Sampling"? Has he made a similar mea culpa with the dumbass opinions he made there?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link
Sometimes he's still right though
"Pop music is for children and idiots" - my chat with Steve Albini for @2ser:https://t.co/Kor1oBOIEI pic.twitter.com/4qBzisI8td— Longform Editions (@longform_ed) December 8, 2015
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 18:07 (two years ago) link
I think it’s fair to say he’s not really in a position to have the Dave chappelle conversation considering
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 18:10 (two years ago) link
I love the editing in there where he's complaining that sampling requires no talent or ability to play an instrument and it cuts to Shock G playing the piano.
― joygoat, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 19:00 (two years ago) link
I love the editing in there where he's complaining that sampling requires no talent or ability to play an instrument and it cuts to Shock G Piano Man playing the piano.
― joygoat, Wednesday, October 13, 2021 3:00 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 19:08 (two years ago) link
xps holy shit at that compilation track
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 19:27 (two years ago) link
This is still funny (and the track in question is great).
https://pitchfork.com/news/61410-steve-albini-e-mail-about-how-much-he-hates-dance-music-turned-into-billboard-advertisement/
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:14 (two years ago) link
I had the same 'ewwww dance music' attitude as Albini when I was 16 and going to ska-punk shows every weekend, hearing it from a 60 year old guy who's been involved in recording for forty years just seems extra pathetic.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:16 (two years ago) link
I am absolutely the wrong audience for this kind of music. I've always detested mechanized dance music, its stupid simplicity, the clubs where it was played, the people who went to those clubs, the drugs they took, the shit they liked to talk about, the clothes they wore, the battles they fought amongst each other...
Bob Weston is a big dance music fan. I wonder if he has ever tried to entice Steve out to a night of dancing?
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:34 (two years ago) link
Steve Albini dances to Abba
― Pfunkboy AKA (Oor Neechy), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:40 (two years ago) link