is Luther College even a real place? is it exclusively for chiropractors?
― balance transfer eligible (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:31 (two years ago) link
Yeah, it's a Lutheran liberal arts college in Iowa.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:47 (two years ago) link
very upset, revisiting crash, to realize i like "#41" as much as i ever did lol
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 18:16 (two years ago) link
also the beginning and end of "two step" is so cool, i think i unconsciously hoped they would move further into that doomy and atmospheric sound. which they sort of did, until they made an album with glen ballard
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 18:18 (two years ago) link
ugh listening to the lillywhite sessions now
this is the best album ever
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 18:27 (two years ago) link
"captain" and "big eyed fish" are among the best songs dude ever wrote
and busted stuff may exist but it doesn't have my favorite song "jtr" on it (and the band apparently hated "jtr" the most of the material????)
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 19:20 (two years ago) link
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:16 AM (forty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
the back half of that song is special
― um, i mean... im sure weve all seen the videos, so... that will help (Spottie), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 19:28 (two years ago) link
oh yeah i said it already
I love the (3+ minute) coda on #41 through the intro of Say Goodbye.― IKEA metaballs (Spottie), Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:24 AM (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― IKEA metaballs (Spottie), Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:24 AM (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― um, i mean... im sure weve all seen the videos, so... that will help (Spottie), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 19:30 (two years ago) link
i think "bartender" is the only extended dmb studio cut that doesn't make me feel like it's weird that they're a jam band
then again i think a binding feature of jam bands is possibly that, excepting the allman brothers, they're never really bands you would want or expect to be jam bands, it's always like, "these guys? playing this music? ok i guess"
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 19:30 (two years ago) link
I have been revisiting the work of DMB myself of late, driven by the 60 Songs That Explain the 90s episode on "Crash" and the Bandsplain episode featuring Grayson Haver Currin (who wrote the Sunday Review) - I would highly recommend both, especially the latter. There are many good observations and insights throughout the two. Some of the ones that are most memorable:
- The band's unique diversity, especially for the time- Matthews' ability to write approachable acoustic guitar driven pop songs that a totally average player could manage to learn--paired with the well-documented musicianship of drummer Carter Beauford, bassist Stefan Lessard, and the many talented guests they've surrounded themselves with over the years (e.g., Tim Reynolds, Bela Fleck, Trey Anastasio, etc.)--make them sui generis; they are not a jam band, so much as a pop band with jam band ambitions, while most jam bands (e.g., Phish) tend to be the opposite- Matthews' international upbringing and personal/family struggles have occasionally manifested in inspired writing, most notably "Cry Freedom", which Currin writes eloquently about in the Sunday Review: "Though written about apartheid after its end, the song feels prescient for the United States 25 years later, a smoldering lament for a country of Blue Lives Matter banners that flap even as state-sponsored violence rages on. It is a salient reminder to be a witness, even if you’re not a savior."- Their incredible longevity and popularity - Under the Table & Dreaming hit #11 in 1994, Crash hit #2 in 1996, and all of their studio albums since--7 albums over 20 years--have hit #1
Upon re-listens, Live at Luther College and Before These Crowded Streets hold up and stand out as the best of their pre-Stand Up catalog in my book.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 20:46 (two years ago) link
Also agree "#41" is his best song.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 20:59 (two years ago) link
that all seems v otm
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 22:18 (two years ago) link
when I was more into DMB I liked #41 a lot. my friend was into that same one too when he was more of a DMB head.
he is getting divorced and his ex-spouse and step-daughter moved away and went to Illinois, leaving him alone for the first time in like a decade.
he got drunk and recorded himself playing and singing a bunch of songs, and "#41" was one of them. it was a rendition akin to watching someone's soul leave his body while still being alive.
his version >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DMB's.
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 22:41 (two years ago) link
sad lol
― um, i mean... im sure weve all seen the videos, so... that will help (Spottie), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 22:53 (two years ago) link
how high did his voice get on "GOES by"?
― balance transfer eligible (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 23:05 (two years ago) link
WHY won't you run inTO rain and play
― balance transfer eligible (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 23:06 (two years ago) link
In his Sunday Review Currin also discusses the influence of DMB on the next generation of musicians and calls out Justin Vernon. I had never made the connection between the self-titled Bon Iver album and "Lover Lay Down," "Crash," etc., but duh.
― Indexed, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 14:56 (two years ago) link
Oh I definitely remember hearing DMB elements in Bon Iver's self titled album at the time and thinking to myself that it'll only be a matter of time till we start getting a critical reassessment of the Dave Matthews band.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 15:47 (two years ago) link
One thing revisiting dmb has made me realize the last 24 hrs is that in comparison… John Mayer sucks. Also, he should not have been reassessed first. What the hell was that about
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 15:49 (two years ago) link
i’ve had “say goodbye” stuck in my head for three days bc of this recent thread bump. i don’t even like that song very much (suffers from one of my least favorite dave tics, stuffing the chorus with too many words)
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 17 October 2021 15:30 (two years ago) link
Yeah, I think "Say Goodbye" is the weakest track on "Crash". Not a terrible tune, but I'd much rather listen to the other songs on the album.
― Lone Wanderer Mark II, Sunday, 17 October 2021 18:02 (two years ago) link
"don't drink the water" is such a dope song
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 18 October 2021 23:20 (two years ago) link
also i loaded all the answers for this thread and decided it is the #onethread
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 18 October 2021 23:33 (two years ago) link
who would have thought that in 2021 people would like Dave Matthews more than Dave Chappelle
― frogbs, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 01:46 (two years ago) link
New borad description
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 02:21 (two years ago) link
― Lone Wanderer Mark II,
"Stay" has Doritos breath it wants to share with you.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 02:26 (two years ago) link
think there are a good number of people that saw the DMB scene in Lady Bird and had a reevaluation of a band like DMB they felt ashamed to like at that age.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 02:32 (two years ago) link
What’s cool abt them to me at the time was they seemed kind of sophisticated. Also it made a lot of sense of you were into like, classic rock, world music, jazz, jam bands, just an amalgamation of stuff that felt right at the time
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 23:19 (two years ago) link
"don't drink the water" is such a dope song― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, October 18, 2021 6:20 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, October 18, 2021 6:20 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
All of Before These Crowded Streets is legit. I suspect it was at least partially inspired by OK Computer: it's the only one of their pre-Stand albums that feels like it has a cohesive narrative structure; it's full of religious imagery; the growling angry Dave energy on "The Last Stop," "Don't Drink the Water," and "Halloween" is very "You don't remember, you don't remember/ Why don't you remember my name?" Also the album that I think showcases Carter the most.
― Indexed, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:23 (two years ago) link
it's actually pretty dark musically, which is why I loved it as a brooding high schooler, and probably the only one I'd revisit other than Under the Table and Dreaming
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:25 (two years ago) link
does the dark stuff happen because of the oral dave did in 'Rapunzel'? is that the message? was it the oral?
― John Lakeman gives pipe lecture (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:44 (two years ago) link
the album opens with:
"Come and relax nowPut your troubles downNo need to bearThe weight of your worries hereLet them all fall away"
and then immediately after that dave is doing some oral
― John Lakeman gives pipe lecture (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:46 (two years ago) link
well, yeah
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:49 (two years ago) link
and tim reynolds plays kevin eubanks licks while he does it
― John Lakeman gives pipe lecture (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:50 (two years ago) link
OMG, those lyrix(!)
― juristic person (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:50 (two years ago) link
so now you have dave, leno, and oral in your head while you're driving your kids to school. it is his darkest work.
― John Lakeman gives pipe lecture (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:51 (two years ago) link
indexed i need to know if you've heard the lillywhite sessions and how they compare to busted stuff for u
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:51 (two years ago) link
I dreamed I was in this really weird musical last night with an abusive director that would SCREAM at you if you did something he didn't like or get a line wrong, and part of the show involved me playing "Crash into Me", except the lyrics were different, and since I haven't played that song on a guitar since 1998, I was messing it up.
the story of this dream is now being worked into a DMB-themed musical titled "It's Just Too Much"
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:52 (two years ago) link
oh yeah Rapunzel's worse than Crash's "And I come into you"! Also this:
Pantala Naga PampaDave Matthews BandTrack 1 on Before These Crowded Streets The song’s title comes from a phrase an Indian chef for the band would utter in Tamil. In English, the phrase means “I have a python in my pants.”
― Indexed, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:54 (two years ago) link
xp in your dream, did you fret-5 on the b-string with your pinkie? could not stand how smug people were when they played it like that, and it's worse.
― John Lakeman gives pipe lecture (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:54 (two years ago) link
fuuuck no that's grounds for a beating!
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:57 (two years ago) link
"but it's the way dave plays it live". yeah well dave also uses an mic-less pickup live that makes his guitar sound like farts.
― John Lakeman gives pipe lecture (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 17:00 (two years ago) link
*a mic-less
xpost new borad description
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 17:01 (two years ago) link
indexed i need to know if you've heard the lillywhite sessions and how they compare to busted stuff for u― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:51 AM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:51 AM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
haven't listened to either in at least a decade but will revisit.
― Indexed, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 17:18 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omm8aM0TxlY
i love that the only full album upload of the lillywhite sessions on youtube is this dumb game
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 17:19 (two years ago) link
Listening now. Not to go back to the same well, but is the "JTR" chorus an intentional interpolation of the "Rain down/come on rain down on me" bit of "Paranoid Android"?
― Indexed, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 19:16 (two years ago) link
it's definitely possible
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 19:40 (two years ago) link
― Indexed, Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:23 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
the crazy part about this stuff -- and what makes before these crowded streets so interesting i think -- is it really goes against the grain of what dmb's like ... audience & marketing & the cliche version of them really is, to me. As if their entire image was about smuggling this dark brooding stuff into ... sorry john mayer ... a john mayer record, him as like a distillation of what made them appealingly fratty
or maybe at the time bc of grunge this kind of sour energy fit completely within frattiness & i'm just seeing it backwards, as darkness kind of bled from frat music in the 00s
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 19:43 (two years ago) link
I don't have a great view of all the live albums they've put out over the years but I believe Live in Chicago was recorded on the Before These Crowded Streets tour and has some pretty great stuff on it. Need to go back to it but always loved this version of "What Would You Say" with Maceo Parker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNB2rYfc7pk
― Indexed, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 20:09 (two years ago) link