It's also funny that Ryan S. built this entire empire from nothing, led it from basement to office to New York to Conde Nast over like 20 years, sold it,
i didn't read the rest, but as rare and difficult as this is for people who start with no money to do, it's also so shitty. the trajectory is shitty, i mean. just reading that alone, it's like yeah, he took something that was real and small and blew it up into a conde nast thing - dunk on him for that
― typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 October 2021 16:56 (two years ago) link
& i don't think you can make a case at all that taylor swift has much to do with their history when they ignored her for most of her career
― ufo, Monday, 4 October 2021 16:57 (two years ago) link
is anyone happy that the first starbucks ended up growing into what it is today? if i were a starbucks barista writing a 25th anniversary rememberance, i'd write (on the coffee cup in sharpie) "i bet that early time when it was just jimmy starbucks working the counter at the only starbucks in the country, spreading by word of mouth, was a pretty cool time"
― typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 October 2021 16:57 (two years ago) link
the american dream is always to take something small, then expand and capitalize on the initial perception of "real, not a corporation) to the logical limit until it no longer resembles what it was, then sell it to a corporation
― typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 October 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link
We canceled Pitchfork Music Festival in Chicago due to the coronavirus in 2020, and then saw it sell out upon its return last month—a sign that a genre-spanning, inclusive lineup (including three female headliners for the first time in our history) is what music fans actually want.
So music fans prefer an inclusive line-up to catching coronavirus? Seems odd, but okay!
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:01 (two years ago) link
xxxxxxps, i prob play that shaggs song in my head four times a day
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:11 (two years ago) link
Congrats to brad for the Taylor Swift review excerpt in this feature...
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:26 (two years ago) link
(now that I've skimmed thru the list, I think it's v weirdly hierarchical the way they separated it into true kult Top 50 plus 150 "nearly-as-important acts")
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:28 (two years ago) link
I just find it odd that title of the article is "200 Most Important Artists of Pitchfork’s First 25 Years" while the browser heading says "200 Most Influential". I feel like those are two different things.
― MarkoP, Monday, 4 October 2021 17:31 (two years ago) link
while we're at it, can i throw this in here?
should the MVP go toward musicians who are in very successful acts that make "the playoffs"? or can you be a MVP as the leader of a relatively unknown act?
― typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:34 (two years ago) link
modest mouse also a particularly notable absence by that standard
And not a single mention of The Dismemberment Plan. Got to talk about Puff Daddy instead.
― MarkoP, Monday, 4 October 2021 17:37 (two years ago) link
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:39 (two years ago) link
Asterisks within html italicized text = bold? Formatting. I give up.
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:41 (two years ago) link
click "Show Formatting Help", just below 'submit post" button
― typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:44 (two years ago) link
For strong text, use: your textFor emphasised text, use: your textFor strikethrough text, use: your textFor underlined text, use: your textFor block quotes, use: your textFor literal, non-proportional text, use: [code]your text
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lol at me
it's really quite simple,
For underlined text, use: your text
― typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:45 (two years ago) link
I am relatively surprised to see Tortoise pop up on that list. Always seem like one of those bands were a big deal at the time, that people would rather forget about.
― MarkoP, Monday, 4 October 2021 17:47 (two years ago) link
i'm more than fine with both parts of this
― Murgatroid, Monday, 4 October 2021 17:47 (two years ago) link
i mean it makes zero sense considering their engagement with both those acts but still! fine with it!
― Murgatroid, Monday, 4 October 2021 17:48 (two years ago) link
tortoise rules
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:50 (two years ago) link
Our staffers will also revisit album scores from the archives that they’d like to quibble with, an acknowledgment of the reality that opinions and cultural contexts shift between writers, editors, and audiences with the passing of time.
oh boy
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:55 (two years ago) link
Thanks for trying KM, roffle. I thought I mostly had a grip on the formatting but clearly I need a refresher, I will carefully peruse the guidelines forthwith.
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 4 October 2021 18:03 (two years ago) link
for real though, just click the "show formatting help" link at the bottom, haha
i was trying to copy and paste the particulars of it but failed
― typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 October 2021 18:04 (two years ago) link
hope they have a roundtable on whether Travistan is still a 0.0
― Murgatroid, Monday, 4 October 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link
revisiting scores and reviews is a wonderful idea. but i hope they properly archive (and reference) the originals
― typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 October 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link
maybe they'll replace the graphic they used for their Partie Traumatic review with a different graphic!
― Murgatroid, Monday, 4 October 2021 18:09 (two years ago) link
I haven't looked yet. How close are 12 Rods to #1?
― Evan, Monday, 4 October 2021 18:10 (two years ago) link
important to pitchfork
jazmine sullivan is also on the list even tho they plainly ignored her work until well after reality show, the first record they acknowledged, came out. the world of rock/'pop' criticism had to basically be begged by dev hynes (i think?) to even listen to that album, + still doesn't really acknowledge that plenty of the music she put out prior to their starting to care is just as essential
― dyl, Monday, 4 October 2021 19:13 (two years ago) link
I don't really care about this list, but it seems clear they're using it to redefine themselves, same as they've been doing with the retroactive Sunday reviews (many of which are the source of the pullquotes for individual artist entries, as opposed to contemporaneous write-ups, which is telling).
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 4 October 2021 19:25 (two years ago) link
It's kind of odd to be celebrating a 25th anniversary while asking people to forget the first 10 years or so
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 4 October 2021 19:52 (two years ago) link
Well, some of those artists are there. TBH, I think they could have leaned even harder into later stuff. I don't really think of Boredoms and YLT as acts "who released all – or at least the bulk of – their defining work within the last 25 years," but seems they were sort of grandfathered in based on a few respected late-'90s releases.
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 4 October 2021 19:58 (two years ago) link
(or the opposite of "grandfathered" – grandchilded?)
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 4 October 2021 19:59 (two years ago) link
justice for 12 rods
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 4 October 2021 20:03 (two years ago) link
i don't really understand this list because i would insist trail of dead be included
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 4 October 2021 20:08 (two years ago) link
the arc of the source tags -> worlds apart reviews/scores so perfectly crystallizes early pfork for me, idk, i guess they wanted to write about a bunch of artists they actually liked tho
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 4 October 2021 20:09 (two years ago) link
nothing but some scant news articles before 2019 for Aaliyah one of the most important artists of the last 25 years of Pitchfork
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 4 October 2021 20:27 (two years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/artists/10601-aaliyah/
how many of the 200 artists will have text from this feature or placement onto the feature itself spammed into their wikipedia articles immediately
― dyl, Monday, 4 October 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link
50 Cent, huh?
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 4 October 2021 20:43 (two years ago) link
they have covered him since GRODT but his album reviews average out to 5.3
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 4 October 2021 20:50 (two years ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, October 4, 2021 3:27 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yeah but the RIYL: Aaliyah reviews have gone back at least ten years
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Monday, 4 October 2021 21:55 (two years ago) link
trail of dead are not on this list? bad list.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 06:38 (two years ago) link
I'm all for revisionism and trying to pass personal for authoritative and authoritative for personalThat's still a pretty big schism between the icons and the rest. When did indie die again ?Otherwise I can't comment, I've never really known what albums I was listening to because P4K had endorsed them and where I was showing fabulous independence of taste. I can imagine the "serpent-eating-its-tail" problem for current P4K staff.
― Nabozo, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 07:27 (two years ago) link
I was initially annoyed by the idea of an alphabetical list of "important artists" with no organizing principle other than existing over the last 25 years, however, if I was 14 or 15, this would a pretty solid roadmap for exploring popular music since the 90s. I don't mind the revisionism at all and think it would be pretty silly if this was just a summary of what critics who wrote for pitchfork 20 years ago thought was good then, but maybe that's not what you all are suggesting?
― Indexed, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 13:32 (two years ago) link
i think i was confused earlier bc this is just a list of important artists and has little if anything to do with pfork's coverage of them
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 13:45 (two years ago) link
lol deej will be happy with some Chief Keef retroactive justice!
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 14:29 (two years ago) link
The Grimes downgrade is lol, but the Big Boi one is not tho.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 14:30 (two years ago) link
It’s tied in with p4k’s 25th anniversary but has little to do with the kind of music coverage that made them rise to prominence.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 14:37 (two years ago) link
Aww. I was really hoping for a downgrade of the score for Tobias Jesso Jr's Goon. That or Chance's Coloring Book.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 14:43 (two years ago) link