Rolling Stones: Classic or Dud

I saw Bowie and and about in NYC a few times (once on an electric scooter!) and he definitely was not unnoticed, but certainly unbothered.

"out and about" in NYC

xp I would think that uber-celebrities have done things in public during the pandemic they normally only dream about, what with the masking.

You also have to consider the possibility that “normal” people often realize that the cool thing to do if you’re at a bar with mick jagger is just let him be himself and don’t talk to him

maybe not everyone, but at least some people there surely realize that’s him and just don’t want to ruin his night

I mean, obviously somebody is taking the picture, for which he is posing, so he's not exactly downplaying it 100%. I wouldn't be surprised if the area were kind of vetted first.

For celebrities that are usually perfectly made up and outfitted and whatnot, it's probably not that hard to go unnoticed once you strip away the trappings.

just before the photo the people on the left were told "STOP LOOKING AT MICK. TURN THE OTHER WAY. DO NOT LOOK AT MICK."

"No one in the venue may look Danzig in the eye." (tour rider, later quoted in the liner notes to a Big Black album)

Chris Stamey described opening shows for Bob Dylan with the Golden Palominos in Europe, where the protocol backstage was "if Bob has his hoodie up, don't talk to him". Syd Straw talked to him anyway and he was apparently quite personable, hoodie or no.

Chris Frantz has the exact same kind of story in his recent memoir. I think he mustered up the nerve to chat him up, and not only was Dylan swell but he wondered why he was being avoided.

mick, keef and ron def seem super approachable and funny af. speaking of stern, theres a great story judd apatow tells about trying to pitch a movie to them. keef was making brian jones jokes!

Woody more than the others tbh

The Faces had that "blokes you can hang with" vibe in spades.

i spoke to mick jagger at a concert at the briefly-operating "cbgb theater" in 1978. after the opening act had played, my friend saw jerry hall walk down the aisle and figured mick couldn't be too far behind. sure enough he walked past with his head down, wearing a nondescript jean jacket and jeans. he was just standing around so i got up from my seat and asked him for an autograph on some piece of paper from my pocket. he motioned for me to put it down so no one could see and scrawled something illegible on it. i told him i wouldn't tell anyone he was there and he said "i know you won't you're so cute." then he and jerry took their seats, but before the jam came on he was recognized (the girl seated next to him started shrieking) and had to be led backstage. my brush with fame.

3/30/78 apparently...
https://www.thejamarchive.co.uk/78

Craving anonymity like others crave fame.

Was there something specific that kicked off this latest round of "Brown Sugar" discussion? Or was it just Keef mentioning that they don't play it any more in that recent interview?

But it did make me wonder how him from Mogwai had possible managed to avoid this song for so long:

Googled the lyrics to this song when I saw this headline.
What. The. Fuck. https://t.co/erkRoqyGvn

— stuart braithwaite (@plasmatron) October 13, 2021

Nothing so specific as just a climate change these past few years. Still, it's wild the shear number of people who are like, "I never knew...".

Guy from Mogwai doesn't have much experience with lyrics tbf.

lol fair point

Steve Jordan interview (recent)

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/steve-jordan-in-charlie-watts-chair-on-the-rolling-stones-tour/amp

Thanks for posting that! This cracked me up:

Well, you know, as a kid you had to make the choice: You couldn’t be a Beatles fan and a Stones fan. You were forced to make a choice. That’s how it was then. So I chose the Beatles. And for the longest time when I started working with Keith, I couldn’t have him over to my apartment, because it was like a Beatles museum! Which I guess was a little strange—like, I’m in my twenties [at the time] so maybe I should be growing up a little bit! And we’re working right around the block, literally. One day I finally say, “Okay,” and Keith comes over. He comes in, and he looks, and he just starts laughing. The next day, he sends me four Beatle figurines, like the kind you get in those novelty stores in Times Square!

Awesome. And yeah, it was like that.

<3

1978

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG62fV2dZus

Rehearsals for SNL 78 \

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-KiVKNNBBw

That was great!

You laugh, but they'll be vindicated when Mick Jagger brings out Q to sing a verse of "Start Me Up" https://t.co/j5XQMaDhz4

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) November 2, 2021

There's a remaster of Chicago Aragon show from September 16, 2002 that was shared recently on IORR. This was the tour where they did three shows per city: a theater show, arena show and stadium show. Just finished listening to it and it's surprisingly great because I didn't like the official releases from that tour when I heard or watched them back in the day. Charlie sounds amazing on it.

Found Jim DeRogatis's review for this show too:
http://www.jimdero.com/News2002/Sept18Stones.html

Bummer if the fans didn't get into setlist (more deep cuts than hit singles). And I guess the place didn't have air conditioning then?

while he dons an acoustic guitar (“Torn & Frayed”) or sits at the keyboards (“Worried About You”).

gah this sounds amazing

Stonesvaultlink for the fan ("CaptainAcid") remaster.

they'll be vindicated when Mick Jagger brings out Q to sing a verse

Was genuinely picturing John de Lancie for a moment

https://blogs.loc.gov/loc/2022/01/the-rolling-stones-hells-angels-and-altamont-a-new-view/

Library of Congress shares 26 minutes of newly unearthed silent fan-shot footage from Altamont, including nice rare glimpses of Santana, The Flying Burrito Brothers, and CSNY. The day footage is surprisingly good-looking, as the shooter was right up by the stage. The night half w/the Stones is a bit dark and less hot, but it does look like a good bit of it is from the latter part of their set (post-murder), which wasn't documented in Gimme Shelter.

I originally mistook Gram Parsons for a hot woman wearing a very revealing crop top playing tambourine for the Flying Burrito Brothers.

Lol

I was admiring what I momentarily thought were washboard abs, when it was just heroin chic.

never got into them!

Not of interest at all, he lied:

https://www.udiscovermusic.com/news/rolling-stones-live-at-el-mocambo-album-release/

The Rolling Stones’ famous, secret 1977 shows at the 300-capacity Toronto club the El Mocambo are to be released for the first time on May 13. Live At The El Mocambo will be available on double CD, 4 LP black vinyl, 4 LP neon vinyl and digitally.

The releases feature the whole of the show on March 5, as well as three bonus tracks from the March 4 gig, newly mixed by Bob Clearmountain. The new album is a mouthwatering prospect for Stones fans, commemorating an unforgettable chapter in the band’s incredible history, as only four performances from the gigs have ever been officially available before. “Mannish Boy,” “Crackin’ Up,” “Little Red Rooster,” and “Around and Around” formed one side of the Love You Live double LP released in September 1977, which otherwise comprised performances from concerts in 1975 and 1976.

The full tracklist is:

1. Honky Tonk Women (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
2. All Down The Line (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
3. Hand Of Fate (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
4. Route 66 (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
5. Fool To Cry (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
6. Crazy Mama (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
7. Mannish Boy (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
8. Crackin’ Up (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
9. Dance Little Sister (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
10. Around And Around (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
11. Tumbling Dice (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
12. Hot Stuff (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
13. Star Star (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
14. Let’s Spend The Night Together (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
15. Worried Life Blues (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
16. Little Red Rooster (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
17. It’s Only Rock ‘N’ Roll (But I Like It) (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
18. Rip This Joint (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
19. Brown Sugar (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
20. Jumpin’ Jack Flash (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
21. Melody (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
22. Luxury (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)
23. Worried About You (Live at the El Mocambo 1977)

:D

The Cockroaches, iirc.

They only do two songs from the 60s! Was that typical of their setlists at the time?

Two originals, that is.

Sorry, three originals. Never mind.

Yes, that's something I've noticed before, they basically dropped "Satisfaction" and any pre-1968 originals from their setlists from 1972-1977 (with odd exceptions). Setlist.fm has that data. It's as if they pretended that the band started with "Jumping' Jack Flash" for a little while.

Was that typical of their setlists at the time?

Pretty much. Part of it was because one of the guys who played on those songs was dead, and they didn't want to teach his parts to the new guys. Although iirc, Ron Wood eventually got them to add more early tracks to shows.

And another thing is that they still very much into 'promoting the new album', hence all the real estate given to Black & Blue.

Even on the Some Girls tour of 1978 it looks like they only played "Satisfaction" occasionally and no other pre-'68 originals

Also one song that wouldn't show up on record until Tattoo You.

Which was that?