Yeah, the creative use rather than listening, that I get. Didn't think of that, because it's not a thing I do.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 17 July 2009 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link
from a listening point of view, the fact that some labels are actively taking down their music worries me too. as it gets bigger this could become common and doesn't make it much of a comprehensive 'cloud'.
thanks for the Audio Hijack tip, TH. i've got a mac as well so i'll get it for that. isn't there a pc equivalent? are soundcard rips done on a pc somehow worse quality than a mac?
brings me to another question for which i've never been able to get a satisfactory answer. if i take a 192kbps mp3 and stick it in soundforge then save it again as a 192kbps mp3, is the resulting mp3's bitrate the same as the first or are we losing quality somehow, like when you photocopy an image over and over? i'm guessing not, because it's a digital process and surely all the frequencies that a 192kbps mp3 deals with will be transferred over in full to a 2nd gen copy. do we have any pro sound guys on ilx who can answer this?
― NI, Saturday, 18 July 2009 15:56 (fourteen years ago) link
from a listening point of view, the fact that some labels are actively taking down their music worries me too. as it gets bigger this could become common and doesn't make it much of a comprehensive 'cloud'
Ach, I don't think so. I read something the other day -- if I wasn't about to head out the door I'd look for it -- suggesting that, thanks to streaming music services (not just Spotify but also YouTube), "the kids" are now turning their backs on illegal downloading and just listening to shit off the net as and when they want to hear it. (Yes, I know YouTube isn't exactly a paragon of copyright laws, but hey.) I assume most labels see Spotify as a medium- to long-term deal: it might not be making them cash at the moment but it's something they can probably turn to their advantage a damn sight more easily in the future than they could -- say -- Torrents.
Of course, the music industry is also renowned for being fucking cretinous, so I could be way off the mark there.
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 18 July 2009 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link
do we have any pro sound guys on ilx who can answer this?
― Siegbran, Saturday, 18 July 2009 16:12 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, can see why spotify is more appealing to the music industry than torrents/p2p. youtube had the whole thing with labels taking down their music videos though, it seems it's still a delicate balance, for now.
thanks siegbran, can you link to any articles/studies about this? how great is the loss each time, and what's the best way around it? ie. save each subsequent file at 320 or wav? is it the case that re-saving a 192 mp3 x number of times would result in an mp3 of nothing more than white noise?
― NI, Saturday, 18 July 2009 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Spotify sets its sights on iPhone
― the sniggering about boobies phase (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 27 July 2009 09:13 (fourteen years ago) link
This is a game-changer. If they had this in the US, I would definitely pay for it.
― kshighway, Monday, 27 July 2009 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link
There will be no Spotify iPhone app, because Apple will never allow an app that relies on a direct server connection, rather than using a proprietary app. Or at least that's what a much-more-techy-than-me friend said to me.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, April 2, 2009 1:33 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark
http://www.spotify.com/blog/archives/2009/07/27/spotify-for-iphone/
― kshighway, Monday, 27 July 2009 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link
It's still not publicly available, is it? I wouldn't put it past Apple to raise some kind of last-minute objection.
They'd be crazy, but ...
― grimly fiendish, Monday, 27 July 2009 17:17 (fourteen years ago) link
After having the ad drilled into me all day yesterday, I have now registered as a blood donor and booked an appointment for tomorrow lunchtime.
I WILL save premature baby Anna.
― N1ck (Upt0eleven), Thursday, 30 July 2009 11:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Good work Spotify.
fuck that, i'm still after a suitopia suit
― #/.'#/'@ilikecats (g-kit), Thursday, 30 July 2009 12:15 (fourteen years ago) link
p.s fuck you, adam from spoddify
― #/.'#/'@ilikecats (g-kit), Thursday, 30 July 2009 12:22 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm having second thoughts about my 'no fosters ever under any circumstances' policy
― One idiot even called me "redcoat" because I'm (country matters), Thursday, 30 July 2009 12:26 (fourteen years ago) link
that is a barefaced lie btw
― One idiot even called me "redcoat" because I'm (country matters), Thursday, 30 July 2009 12:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Actually, if Apple approve this then this is solid gold marketing strategy from Spotify. Previously a subscription was nice but utterly inessential, but if you need to subscribe to use the mobile app then suddenly there's a revenue stream, potentially a huge one.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 30 July 2009 13:07 (fourteen years ago) link
to celebrate Apple letting them in they ought to drop the sub rate by a couple of quid
― unban dictionary (blueski), Thursday, 30 July 2009 13:11 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm sure that'll happen
― #/.'#/'@ilikecats (g-kit), Thursday, 30 July 2009 13:16 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm not
― unban dictionary (blueski), Thursday, 30 July 2009 13:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Tiered home/mobile/both subscriptions would make sense.
― Hypnagogic Poop (onimo), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link
how great is the loss each time, and what's the best way around it? ie. save each subsequent file at 320 or wav? is it the case that re-saving a 192 mp3 x number of times would result in an mp3 of nothing more than white noise?
I suspect, though I'm not sure, that when you open an MP3 in SoundForge or Audacity or Adobe Audition (is that what they call CoolEdit now? You can see I'm five years behind the times), you're not editing the MP3 as such. The application has effectively "unpacked" it into something it can edit, so there's a something akin to raw 16/44.1k (or whatever the application is set to) PCM audio in its memory (though the audio still has the lossy frequency profile of the original MP3).
You save this back out as an MP3 and its quality is dependent on (i) the quality of the original (i.e., it can't exceed it) and (ii) the quality of the software's MP3 encoder (which may be inferior to whatever application originally created the file).
I may be wrong about this but I think repeatedly editing MP3s doesn't eventually degrade them to mush, but rather you're just imposing the quality of the editing software's encoder on the file each time. Safest way is, indeed, to write out as WAV and only compress to MP3 as your final step. (In photo processing software, you're effectively going JPEG > TIFF > JPEG).
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:14 (fourteen years ago) link
These fuckers seem to be advertising to me after every 1 or 2 songs now, it's fucking ridiculous. I could understand it when it was a long jazz piece or whatever, but now I just want to murder them.
― Seven Swagurai (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 30 July 2009 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link
does the frequency of ads depend on when you sign on? it definitely seems to vary
― thomp, Thursday, 30 July 2009 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link
> The application has effectively "unpacked" it into something it can edit, so there's a something akin to raw 16/44.1k (or whatever the application is set to) PCM audio in its memory (though the audio still has the lossy frequency profile of the original MP3).
typically they use floating point internally. (so there's another loss of precision there...)
but generally if you have something that's 99% perfect and re-encode it you'll have something that's 99% * 99% perfect = 98.01% perfect. keep doing that and it soon drops. it's largely a case of where your acceptability threshold is.
― koogs, Friday, 31 July 2009 09:28 (fourteen years ago) link
These fuckers seem to be advertising to me after every 1 or 2 songs now, it's fucking ridiculous.
Yeah, the ads have increased, definitely. I was listening last night and adverts came after one song then another after a further two songs then three. I don't know if it goes on like that, or is always like that but fuck. It's particularly annoying when your listening is inturrupted just for an ad about Spotify itself.
― DavidM, Friday, 31 July 2009 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link
― grimly fiendish, Monday, July 27, 2009 12:17 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark
Apple has been denying shit left and right. They just rejected the Google Voice app.
― kshighway, Friday, 31 July 2009 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link
man I saw her naked man...NNNGH
― hello you are very gnocchi i would like taco you in the (country matters), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link
yes, if you slept with her it kinda follows that you saw her naked you fucking retard
― hello you are very gnocchi i would like taco you in the (country matters), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link
public information announcements: not what they were
If anyone uses foxytunes on firefox it now has spotify support now.http://blog.foxytunes.net/2009/07/08/foxytunes-supports-spotify/
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
700 year old gripe or something, annoyance may mostly be from other apps:
when I in Windows click the X in the upper right corner of a window, it means KILL. Not SLEEP IN A TRAY REQUIRING MORE EFFORT TO KILL.
Apart from that, well happy with the Spotify tbh.
― anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 22:58 (fourteen years ago) link
and apparently now the richest man in asia (li ka-shing) has invested 50 million dollars in spotify. in other words, this thing probably isn't going away...
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Thanks, Crucialmemory.com!
― The Sunburned Hand of Manfredd Man (Rombald), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 08:58 (fourteen years ago) link
hate that cunt that leaves the voicemail message saying "it's great but i can't put them on my ipod"
NO GUFF, YOU DUMB CUNT."I like the look of all the houses in my street but hey, how come I can't just walk into any one of them and make myself at home? This blows!"
― #/.'#/'@ilikecats (g-kit), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 09:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Apple refuses the Spotify iPhone app.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 17 August 2009 14:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Hmm, the article you linked doesn't seem to say that (I can only read the translation into English you used; I don't read Swedish). It just says that Apple is taking a long time to accept it, and that this suggests a problem. Or did I miss something?
― afternoon "delight" (Euler), Monday, 17 August 2009 14:16 (fourteen years ago) link
For Spotify probably ended up in a "sour cream" for specific test rather than the usual sex.
Couldn't have put it better myself.
― firestorm of twat rage (onimo), Monday, 17 August 2009 14:17 (fourteen years ago) link
ok what the fuck is this kate moss advert
― You are Rebels! You are all yankees (country matters), Monday, 24 August 2009 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link
whistling cunt advert is allover tv now
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 24 August 2009 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link
ah jesus that tune is annoying
― You are Rebels! You are all yankees (country matters), Monday, 24 August 2009 15:11 (fourteen years ago) link
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someone's either seen nathan barley or needs to
― You are Rebels! You are all yankees (country matters), Monday, 24 August 2009 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Can someone send me an invite please?
― send a hilarious message or make a "wild" statement (Whitey on the Moon), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't think you need an invite - but you do need to be in Europe
― I am using your worlds, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 19:48 (fourteen years ago) link
http://proxify.co.uk works for Ireland (not officially available here yet)
― p-dog, Thursday, 27 August 2009 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm in America :(
― send a hilarious message or make a "wild" statement (Whitey on the Moon), Thursday, 27 August 2009 09:48 (fourteen years ago) link
I invite you to Europe
― Peinlich Manoeuvre (NickB), Thursday, 27 August 2009 09:57 (fourteen years ago) link
new spotify pet hate — well, music advertising in general pet hate — playing five seconds of that's not my name before announcer is all "THIS dramaticpause IS THE TING TINGS!" — while you're collecting data on my listening habits how about you work out I KNOW THAT ALREADY
― thomp, Thursday, 27 August 2009 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link
i am very angry about having free music!
can't be very good if they're giving it away
― unban dictionary (blueski), Thursday, 27 August 2009 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link
how do you search for specific labels?
― b hoy hoy (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 27 August 2009 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link