Awesome Audiophile Snake Oil

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this is one of those toxic topics that it is impossible to discus on the web. plus i am not an expert. but...there are experts who disagree with you.

Recent hearing research provides support for the long-standing notion that the time-domain performance of anti-alias and reconstruction filters—most especially steep digital linear-phase filters—is responsible for perceptible degradation of sound quality. Recently, direct evidence for the audibility of low-pass filters used in digital audio has been published. [18]

[18] Jackson, H. M., Capp, M. D. and Stuart, J. R., 'The audibility of typical digital audio filters in a high-fidelity playback system', 9174, 137th AES Convention, (2014).

https://www.stereophile.com/content/mqa-questions-and-answers

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 29 August 2021 01:08 (two years ago) link

^^ I would argue that this also ties in to the well-documented example of Glenn Gould being able to distinguish with 100% accuracy between different digital playbacks on systems with the same specs, as per his (excellent) biography. It might not be audible to everyone, but it's audible to some people.

sleeve, Sunday, 29 August 2021 01:20 (two years ago) link

xp I'm a little sceptical of a "paper" which is just a conference presentation ... by people from Meridian Audio who tout the "Meridian Apodising Filter" as a selling point for their gear. Not saying it couldn't be true, just that there's no peer review and a screamingly obvious conflict of interest.

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 29 August 2021 04:46 (two years ago) link

I find it hard to concentrate on LPs because I get tense waiting for the inner groove distortion to show

yes!!! and when it does i curse myself for getting sucked back into vinyl after a very happy few decades listening to CDs.

there are plenty of instances when i do feel that 'closer to the music' vibe with LPs - however irrational - but there are just as many 'pining for the CD' experiences.

happily the CD is on hand, as is the streaming option.

lemmy incaution (emsworth), Sunday, 29 August 2021 07:35 (two years ago) link

Nothing MQA related or derived -- especially "research" -- can be trusted. Their so-called technology is absolute hocus-bullshit.

Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Sunday, 29 August 2021 07:36 (two years ago) link

I had a few Cocteau Twins EPs on vinyl that were ruined by inner groove noise, but maybe they were bad pressings and/or my turntable was pure shit (it was).

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 29 August 2021 08:51 (two years ago) link

Usually when I listen to records it's through an ADC / DAC anyway.* That way the time-smearing masks the IGD. I'm preparing a paper on this.

* this part is true.

Noel Emits, Sunday, 29 August 2021 09:35 (two years ago) link

> Nothing MQA related or derived -- especially "research" -- can be trusted. Their so-called technology is absolute hocus-bullshit.

exactly, the industry is full of morons pretending that stereo audio hasn't been solved 40 years ago with an easily copied, drm free format

it's all looking for excuses to sell the same thing again under more onerous conditions to close the drm-free digital hole that's cd ripping, except they do it by peddling *lower* fidelity solutions than redbook audio: hi-res, mqa, etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRjsu9-Vznc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHkqWZ9jzA0

it's not audiophile if it's not inconvenient, we must suffer for our art

chihuahuau, Sunday, 29 August 2021 11:13 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Don’t know where to put this… but haha, wtf: https://waviful.com/

You Suffer (10 Minute Version) (morrisp), Saturday, 13 November 2021 20:26 (two years ago) link

Omg that's an amazing grift

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 13 November 2021 20:35 (two years ago) link

Why does every wav look like a tampon. Is it because modern albums have no dynamics?

A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 13 November 2021 21:28 (two years ago) link

Why we exist
We exist to inspire you to celebrate your musical tastes, and the most impactful albums you have listened to, through unique custom wall art. We believe your musical tastes are part of your what defines you and that you should celebrate this music everyday.

oh this is high calibre, lads!

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Saturday, 13 November 2021 22:17 (two years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/VlFGGba.jpg

Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Saturday, 13 November 2021 22:17 (two years ago) link

The first one I tried was STUMM433 (the Mute box set of various artists doing Cage's 4'33") but it had too many tracks and was rejected.

Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Saturday, 13 November 2021 22:20 (two years ago) link

Haha I was about to say Feldman would be a good one

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 13 November 2021 22:25 (two years ago) link

Produced thoughtfully
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jfc. i have to admit, these fucken guys are good at what they do.

this is kind of nightmarish in a way. still hilarious.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Saturday, 13 November 2021 22:28 (two years ago) link

like the more i read the website, the more convinced i am that they can't be serious . . . right?

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Saturday, 13 November 2021 22:33 (two years ago) link

this isn't even The Original Waveform Poster Art!
https://www.instagram.com/waveform_posters/?hl=en

there's people at it on Etsy too. I've seen these on Reddit. If they weren't all from shills... well they seemed to get genuine interest. Blech...

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 13 November 2021 22:52 (two years ago) link

Same vein, possibly uglier.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 13 November 2021 23:13 (two years ago) link

i mean, i can almost embrace the bullshit. doctors have pictures of skeletons and shit on the walls in their offices. c'mon, put that shit on your wall in the background of your youtube videos and people will know you mean business.

i am quite enamoured. this is either the best or the worst thing i've ever seen and i'm still trying to sort that.

this entire idea needs more exposure. truly stupid. "why are we even alive"-level stupidity.

great find, ty.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Saturday, 13 November 2021 23:14 (two years ago) link

🖼


Fantastic cheap at twice the price etc.

A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 14 November 2021 02:03 (two years ago) link

The Whitey Album has a silent track and actually has pretty interesting waveforms overall.

the plant based god (bendy), Sunday, 14 November 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link

that morton feldman one actually looks cool, i think having just one waveform makes the design work much better

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 14 November 2021 21:38 (two years ago) link

It would be better without any of the text, just a single waveform on a plain field.

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 14 November 2021 21:40 (two years ago) link

and that waveform is a visual representation of a recording of me farting.

the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Sunday, 14 November 2021 22:10 (two years ago) link

effect looks a bit better if you do something with it and don’t just glop it on to a generic sans serif fetishist solid background, but still: lol

https://www.instagram.com/p/CWLxxriIZuz/?utm_medium=copy_link

mh, Monday, 15 November 2021 16:51 (two years ago) link

100 prints and 4 originals..... I'm assuming the music was actually played into the general direction of the originals?

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 15 November 2021 18:23 (two years ago) link

did Aphex Twin do a scary looking waveform somehow or only that stereograph? Where do i order up an artisinal stereograph?

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 15 November 2021 18:24 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Howard Dumble has passed away.

https://www.instagram.com/ross_hogarthmix/p/CY2NMTuPYiq/?utm_medium=copy_link

peace, man, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 16:17 (two years ago) link

rip. gonna play my wampler euphoria pedal in remembrance today.

get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 16:23 (two years ago) link

honestly wrong thread for this. HAD was a weird genius but definitely not a snake oil salesman. If anything kind of the opposite - he’d barely sell to anyone lol.

poster of sparks (rogermexico.), Friday, 21 January 2022 14:09 (two years ago) link

I only posted it in this thread because this was one of the only threads where Dumble has been mentioned on ILX.

peace, man, Friday, 21 January 2022 14:16 (two years ago) link

no disrespect on my end either. dumble "amp in a box" pedals are rad and probably my favorite drive circuits. wish i could say i've played a real dumble. i think remembering him on this thread is appropriate, as sometimes the hype is merited.\m/

get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Friday, 21 January 2022 15:53 (two years ago) link

peace, man <3

poster of sparks (rogermexico.), Saturday, 22 January 2022 16:38 (two years ago) link

think I’m just triggered by a rash of threads in other places full of idiots on one side who think an eccentric recluse working out of his garage in an unfashionable part of LA was somehow ripping off today’s bar band guitar players and idiots on the other side insisting that amp they played for five minutes was full of magic angels and nothing else on earth comes close.

he had some really good ideas about modding fenders at a time where very few were doing anything similar. he could have been Randall Smith except he had zero head for or interest in business or, like, being responsible for employing people… all he knew how to do was build amps!

and anyone in the boutique amp biz today can tell you, it is a hard and shitty business. which is why so many boutique guys have a day in the sun and then disappear or move on to gainful employment designing circuits elsewhere. god bless the guy for finding a way to build in very low volume at his own pace and make it work.

poster of sparks (rogermexico.), Saturday, 22 January 2022 16:47 (two years ago) link

exactly. not his fault people turned into weird fanatics over his work. i'm all about appreciating the eccentrics who are really damn good at what they do. and, by all accounts, he was one of the better ones in both respects.

get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Saturday, 22 January 2022 17:15 (two years ago) link

Dumble was absolutely a snake oil salesman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVTj08qTwGw

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 22 January 2022 18:22 (two years ago) link

That video is chefs kiss, lol. That’s Henry Kaiser, yeah?

Rockin’, and rollin’, and whatnot (morrisp), Saturday, 22 January 2022 18:30 (two years ago) link

I don’t even have to watch the video to know it’s the crystal lattice. laughed over it plenty back in the day and honestly dgaf now. back then information was rare and precious, bro science was everywhere, superstition passed from local hot players to cool older brothers by word of mouth…

but one thing was certain: tube amps sounded better than solid state when they broke up. if that’s how HAD wanted to explain the why of it, it really doesn’t bother me now.

most snake oil salesmen are, y’know, trying to sell you something. HAD reads as a weirdo, not a pitchman and certainly not a closer.

poster of sparks (rogermexico.), Saturday, 22 January 2022 19:23 (two years ago) link

He was trying to sell his amps and he was very successful, though? He poured epoxy over everything so you couldn't see his magical tweaks.

Exclusivity is just another kind of marketing and that's very much in keeping with audiophile snake oildom - hunting for that one whale who'll pay $25k for diamond-encrusted RCA cables.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 22 January 2022 21:11 (two years ago) link

did he epoxy his joints? thought that was just little billy finnegan?

get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Saturday, 22 January 2022 21:19 (two years ago) link

That video is chefs kiss, lol. That’s Henry Kaiser, yeah?

― Rockin’, and rollin’, and whatnot (morrisp), Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:30 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I had always wondered how Henry Kaiser - eccentric guitarist on SST, Shanachie, Tzadik, etc - had the money for a Dumble. Then I put it together that he was this Henry Kaiser's grandson.

peace, man, Saturday, 22 January 2022 21:44 (two years ago) link

Another grandson, Henry, is an Antarctic diver and experimental guitarist.

waht

bad milk blood robot (sleeve), Saturday, 22 January 2022 21:47 (two years ago) link

Henry Kaiser is big part of Herzog's Antarctica movie - Encounters At The End Of The World

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 22 January 2022 21:53 (two years ago) link

He was trying to sell his amps and he was very successful, though? He poured epoxy over everything so you couldn't see his magical tweaks.

Exclusivity is just another kind of marketing and that's very much in keeping with audiophile snake oildom - hunting for that one whale who'll pay $25k for diamond-encrusted RCA cables.

― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, January 22, 2022

"very successful" is relative. basically the audio engineering equivalent of a working musician is how I break it down to an extent.

he got by in LA building amps, and got to hang out with some great musicians. that's a win in itself, but it doesn't seem that lived especially high on the hog and I don't expect his estate's worth much. there are dopes with lawn care business a lot more successful than HAD.

yes of course he worked to build a mystique that let him get by building a small number of amps at his own pace. I don't see the crime there. at worst he's the Bill Finnegan of amps. a weird craftsman who most comfortable woking with customers and building with his own hands and was ultimately eclipsed by imitators who were better at business than he was (hi dere Two Rock)

shrug

poster of sparks (rogermexico.), Sunday, 23 January 2022 05:22 (two years ago) link

someone on twitter shared this classical review and it probably belongs here

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKAFOQuXsAIhJEd?format=jpg&name=medium

andrew m., Wednesday, 26 January 2022 15:56 (two years ago) link

sometimes time is the best snake oil

andrew m., Wednesday, 26 January 2022 15:56 (two years ago) link

that last sentence is so beautiful

I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 16:34 (two years ago) link


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