rank the songs on nirvana's "nevermind"

Perhaps, though the way unperson characterized it above is pretty directly supported by that 2016 interview (more accurately: he said he was getting laid, but the "hot chicks" would dump him once they learned he's not rich). That doesn't mean he's lying about feeling increasingly uneasy about how the fame of the cover has affected his life.

Kinda cool article on p4k about this phenomenon of cover models suing artists, some of which I hadn't heard about:

https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/a-brief-history-of-musicians-being-sued-by-their-album-cover-subjects/

That is a good article, I'm impressed Pfork pulled that together so quickly.

It seems like people don’t like finding themselves on album covers. It’s not flattering to them. This should be kept in mind by artists.

Only capybaras on albums from here on out!

One thing they missed in that article (despite mentioning the album) is that The Velvet Underground & Nico was off racks for a significant bit of 1967 because Eric Emerson was pictured in the live shot on the back cover and he sued to get quick cash to cover legal bills from a drug arrest, forcing Verve to put a sticker on his face for subsequent pressings.

This guy does appear to be pretty traumatised by the experience, and it must be difficult to be in a position where no matter what you do with the rest of your life the defining moment of your existence is something you never consented to. Sure, he’s gone along with it in the past but what real choice did he have? Now he’s looking back as an adult it’s understandable he might not have the same opinions as he was younger

He doesn't have to continue to make it the defining moment of his existence, is the thing. He could probably do nothing, and zero people he meets in his everyday life would recognize his name.

Kinda cool article on p4k about this phenomenon of cover models suing artists, some of which I hadn't heard about:

https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/a-brief-history-of-musicians-being-sued-by-their-album-cover-subjects/

― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, August 26, 2021 3:27 PM (forty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

That is a good article, I'm impressed Pfork pulled that together so quickly.

― Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Thursday, August 26, 2021 3:32 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

They missed Red Hot Chili Peppers Mother's Milk!

Mother's Milk features a black and white photograph of the band sprawled across the arms of a proportionately larger topless woman, with her nipples covered by a rose on the right (which appears colored), and Kiedis standing up on the left. Controversy arose when the model Dawn Alane claimed the band did not notify her that she was the one chosen to be on the cover of Mother's Milk ... Following the album's release, a limited number of promotional posters were issued with the model's breasts exposed. Dawn had no knowledge of the pressing and sued the band, winning a $50,000 settlement.

morrisp otm. That reminds me that one of the reunion era Smashing Pumpkins bassists was joked to be one of the girls in the Siamese Dream cover photo and they actually fact-checked it because nobody knows who they are.

Alright now the Loverboy album cover

Agree. We must scrub society of any and all images or phrases that someone, somewhere might want to jerk off to.

― but also fuck you (unperson)

X2

Also morris is making the point I was trying to make earlier. This guy could have easily avoided being known as the baby from Nevermind.

That’s not what he wanted though.

Alright now the Loverboy album cover

This is kinda disturbing (b/c she was 13), but also sad, b/c she apparently died in 1991.

yeah we got in a long convo about that a few years ago apparently

FWIW, one of the lawyers in the lawsuit was on CNN yesterday:

Elden’s lawyers have made wild claims about the album cover, saying it made him look like a sex worker, and that he was used as an essential element of a record promotion scheme. Thirty years later, Mabie says there’s no doubt the image constitutes child pornography and was sexual in nature.

“The focal point of the image is the minor's genitalia. And here in that image along with all of the other dose factors as we pled in our complaint, it is a very over-sexualized image, and does constitute child pornography,” Mabie said. “More importantly, it was child exploitation in the way that they created it, and the way that they continue to distribute the image today.”

The image in question shows Elden as an infant, naked in a swimming pool appearing to be trying to get to a digital imposition of a dollar bill on a fish hook. The cover has generally been understood to be a statement on capitalism, which was (Chris) Cuomo’s take

“I don’t ever remember anybody ever writing or anything being out there in society about this image as a sexualized or pornographic image,” Cuomo said. “I always thought that it was a suggestion of how right out of the womb, people are just grabbing for money and doing anything they can. I thought it was more about capitalism than it was sexuality.”

Non-sexualized photos of infants are generally not considered child pornography under law, yet Mabie went so far as to compare Elden to actual victims of child pornography.

“Spencer wants this image redacted,” Mabie said. “He is saying that he doesn’t want his genitalia out there for the world to consume any longer, and if we have this image redacted, that will be a monumental signal for all victims of child pornography that their voices are being heard and their privacy is being respected.”

Forgot to paste in the link: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/chris-cuomo-argues-with-lawyer-representing-man-suing-nirvana-for-child-pornography-071701484.html

what a bunch of horseshit

_Alright now the Loverboy album cover_

This is kinda disturbing (b/c she was 13), but also sad, b/c she apparently died in 1991.

Me too! I thought it was own hand behind his back.

(For the record, here's the story)

Oh I was thinking of album number 1.

The real story is..wow.

i think the "if you want to censor it, you're the pedophile" has to be the silliest and most juvenile argument

kurt cobain would never resort to a juvenile argument

wonder if anyone's ever tried to sue their mohel

the mohel things change

BREAKING: woman on cover of SLAM DUNK'N HOES to sue Top Dog, claiming unpaid royalties and goaltending pic.twitter.com/SaMq8PGTq2

— vax muncy (@toriimacdaddy) August 26, 2021

irl lols at "goaltending"

didn't do a very good job of it from teh looks of it!

offensive goaltending

u can say that again

Exactly

there's a point where you want to protect your child, your own self as a child (in elden's case), and children in general from predators. just because you don't have sexual thoughts when looking at naked babies doesn't mean there aren't others looking for this kind of imagery in public, which is why unfortunately these kinds of restrictions need to exist.

here's the thing -- there is actual pornography involving children where they are being sexually exploited ... groomed, coerced, money changing hands for explicit sexual content. There are also pictures of children that pedophiles find sexually stimulating that were not created with pornographic intent. Like a random family photo album from the 70s or 80s that one finds at a yard sale or charity shop.

This also includes plenty of commercial images

Should diaper ads depicting a baby or toddler getting their diaper changed be considered p0rn?

https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/k46acagzk7z.png

https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/240061737_10226783778046549_6860459423098292363_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=v71_6OBG3-IAX8nuBL9&_nc_ht=scontent.ffcm1-2.fna&oh=fe0db095744d4be24d5ebe0993e1b49d&oe=612D8E24

kurt cobain would never resort to a juvenile argument

― symsymsym, Thursday, August 26, 2021 7:02 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

lol, i guess i was asking for too much

Speaking to the Sunday Times about the lawsuit over the weekend, Dave Grohl hinted that there are plans to “alter” the album cover ahead of its forthcoming 30th anniversary.

“I have many ideas of how we should alter that cover but we’ll see what happens...We’ll let you know. I’m sure we’ll come up with something good.”

https://img.discogs.com/hzodGGZSp9P67i0X4uN_oGXwXXk=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-3756184-1343119519-1245.jpeg.jpg

in bloom
lounge act
breed
lithium
drain you
on a plain
come as you are
teen spirit
stay away
pissings
something in the way
polly

the shouted third verse & chorus in Lounge Act is possibly my favourite sequence of the whole album.

morrisp, your check from Grohl is in the mail, excellent work.

Lithium
In Bloom
Drain You
Lounge Act
Breed
Something in the Way
Come As You Are
Smells Like Teen Spirit
On A Plain
Stay Away
Endless Nameless
Territorial Pissings
Polly

the shouted third verse & chorus in Lounge Act is possibly my favourite sequence of the whole album.

Yes! There's something about some of the uptempo tracks on here, that Cobain probably conceived as relative throwaways, that convey a more original and individual point-of-view than the big "production numbers".

Side B >>>>>>>>>>>> Side A

On a Plane
Drain You
Lounge Act
Stay Away
Breed
Territorial Pissings
Lithium
Smells Like Teen Spirit
In Bloom
Polly
Come As You Are
Something in the Way

― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn),

are Drain You and Territorial Pissings conceptual cousins?

Territorial Drainings

Lounge Act was my favorite as a kid and I still love it. one time in high school I recorded myself playing the song and I got to the third verse and was shrieking and my mother stormed into the garage, horrified, thinking I was dying

Lounge Act and Drain You were my favorite ones in here. It really is a very radio-friendly album. It’s slighty edgier power-pop. You could’ve released almost every song in here as a single and it would’ve made sense. Hell, I think “something in the way” is probably the only song that wouldn’t work as a single. And Territorial Pissings to I guess.

In Utero is my favorite but you can tell the label were really struggling to find a single in there when Nevermind did the job for them so well. They fucked up by not releasing “serve the servants” as a single though.

Several years ago we had a shortly-lived "Classic Alternative" station on the dial that spent about half of its existence seemingly fully-automated (including the programming), and it was weird af to hear "Polly" on the air during drive time.