True, though I think "mostly" is important: there's definitely something about the music crit canon as it stood in the 80s and into the 90s—roughly I guess? this isn't my area of expertise tbh—that is relatively aptly captured by "rockism," though the term is too broad.
There absolutely were widespread biases in 80s and 90s rock crit but my memory is that they favoured Tracy Chapman and Arrested Development more than Rush and AC/DC.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:06 (two years ago) link
Tracy Chapman and Arrested Development more than Rush and AC/DC.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, July 28, 2021 9:06 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Tracy Chapman and Arrested Development were both in their own ways calling back to older scenes of Rolling Stone music (early 70s singer songwriter/folkies and Sly and the Family Stone)...it's not a coincidence
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:11 (two years ago) link
I don't really know tbh. I guess I'd say rockism as I've understood it is more about canon-building than contemporary music, but I could also see an argument that celebrating Arrested Development over, say, gangsta rap was born out of a (rockist) bias toward artists who make liberal political statements. [xpost w/ ums]
That Geir post had something about What's Going On "finally" ushering in the concept album for soul music, which to me resonates with the critique that rockism only appreciates non-rock when it conforms to rock values.
All that said, as pom pointed out, "rock" is an ill-fitting signifier for concept albums, protest songs, a kind of high-art modernist ambition, etc. I'm increasingly thinking it's better explained as a generational not generic bias, which might also explain Chapman, though I'm not that familiar with her work
― rob, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:20 (two years ago) link
Oh, totally. I'm just not sure the critical bias was towards macho men playing loud guitars and drums, (or even, like, what the average person means by "rock").xp
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:23 (two years ago) link
Pretty rhythmic for a guy who hated rhythm!
― Low FODMAP* Snack Ideas (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:23 (two years ago) link
There _was/is_ a crass guitars-shred/rap-is-crap pov but it was more of a mainstream FM radio listener's pov that the ostensibly rockist critics largely scorned; I feel like these things get conflated in a weird way.
Yes, although too much concept and high-art ambition was also a critical target post-Pepper. Jackson Browne uber alles, really.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:32 (two years ago) link
Someone found his Soulseek folder or something at one point, and it turned out he listened to lots of hip-hop and R&B. As mentioned above, I think his schtick on this board had a good dose of troll in it.
He definitely liked hip hop and R&B a lot more than he was ever going to admit on here, though he let his guard down occasionally.
― Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 15:47 (two years ago) link
I started reading ilxor in 2005 and "Is Geir a rockist or a challops addict or a troll or what" was a hot topic then. Geir's been gone a while (how long?) and people are still parsing his opinions. In an odd way, that's an achievement.
Two cheers, then, for Hongrockism?
― trial by wombat (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 16:38 (two years ago) link
He was the Yin to Lex’s Yang.
― Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 16:48 (two years ago) link
everybody’s got a hongrø hearthis Spotify accountGeir’s a man of catholic tastes - he even has a Blues playlist for you all to follow!
― tean mean poleand cheaseang theas means hamseak feasts (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:39 (two years ago) link
it's a Hongrock life for usinstead of Sweet Leaf, we get Styx
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:53 (two years ago) link
instead of shabooh, we get kick
― bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:57 (two years ago) link
lmao!!!!!!!!
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 18:00 (two years ago) link
everybody’s got a hongrø hearthis Spotify account🕸Geir’s a man of catholic tastes - he even has a Blues playlist for you all to follow!
― Bo Burzum (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 18:06 (two years ago) link
Lindsey Buckingham isn't fit to shine Christine Perfect's shoes (though the fucker should).
― Taliban! (PBKR), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 23:38 (two years ago) link
Do you think his guitar playing made her songs worse?
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 00:09 (two years ago) link
No, but she's played with at least two better guitarists. And I find offensive the idea that she needed Buckingham to polish her songs.
― Taliban! (PBKR), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 00:49 (two years ago) link
I hereby regret all my posts about Springsteen and Bono on this thread, and some of y'all's about other subjects, but mostly my posts about Springsteen and Bono (which is almost all of my posts). Non-controversial, but there it is.
― dow, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 04:06 (two years ago) link
i can't look them up, but i can guess. what were your controps, and what are your regrets now? in alphabetical order! (jk)
― typo punishment #4: it feels better to me to be like there, this (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 04:20 (two years ago) link
Edge of Seventeen is on an advert in the UK and I'm sorry to say that I now hate it. Never been a big fan, but reducing it to the chorus only has shown me that it is unredeemable. I also have it as an earworm, which is not helping.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 18 October 2021 21:59 (two years ago) link
I's okay. I flagged you.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:02 (two years ago) link
cheers
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:07 (two years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/m97m3pB.jpg(credit to some dude)
― brimstead, Monday, 18 October 2021 23:29 (two years ago) link
blinding lights > take on me
― brimstead, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 00:47 (two years ago) link
what's the deal with having to rank things just enjoy music. It's like when password reminders are like "what is tour favorite food?????" jeez i dunno I'm a grownup maybe "pasghetti and meatballs or maybe those dinosaur shaped chikkin nuggs"?????
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 23:40 (two years ago) link
rankings CAN be fun when you're maybe about to see a band live and your excitement leads you to categorize everything, but I often get stressed out making them otherwise.
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 23:41 (two years ago) link
post your five favorite songs with slide guitar bite me just wrap my donald duck comics to go frodo
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 23:42 (two years ago) link
Not you Neander\thal you're cool
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 23:43 (two years ago) link
PS I am HAMMERED
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 23:44 (two years ago) link
Good morning!
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland),
OTM
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 00:12 (two years ago) link
i don't know if i find it immature so much as i don't understand the impulse at all, why would anyone want to do that
i also think those kinds of lists are really harmful and destructive.
and very old fashioned.
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 00:20 (two years ago) link
i could definitely rank my 5 favorite donald duck comics
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 00:21 (two years ago) link
I like making lists in my mind, and I don't even know why. It's not that I think the lists have much value, it's just the kind of exercise that my brain likes as a thinking prompt.
xp please rank your 5 favorite Donald Duck comics!
― Lily Dale, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 00:23 (two years ago) link
Jessie J was better than Adele, even if she too supported Spurs.
― toxic psycho "gifted child" asshole (RobbiePires), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 01:56 (two years ago) link
Return to Forever is massively underrated, in all their prog rock pomp jazz fusion grandiosity.
― toxic psycho "gifted child" asshole (RobbiePires), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 01:59 (two years ago) link
prog house is precisely not pompous and grandiose enough, every prog house tune should have a plague of light house keepers as its minimum length with various movements and tempo changes. Instead it's just heterosexual house for indie prog haters extended and made more boring.
― toxic psycho "gifted child" asshole (RobbiePires), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 02:01 (two years ago) link
stfu
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 02:03 (two years ago) link
Agree with this. The majority of Chick Corea's catalog after the mid '70s is terrible, he was born without taste, but the classic RTF lineup was amazing.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 02:04 (two years ago) link
It's like when password reminders are like "what is tour favorite food?????
subjective security questions! it is a special pet peeve of mine
https://i.imgur.com/r5tAjr9.jpg
― just staying (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 05:18 (two years ago) link
these are fucking epic and I would sign up for whatever service required themmaybe a poll?
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 05:29 (two years ago) link
they're giving me flashbacks to the essay section of the GRE
― Lily Dale, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 05:48 (two years ago) link
i have kind of a crazy story about that, the essay portion of the GRE
short version is that i only did one practice essay, from a practice book, within a few days of the test. the question? something about whether indoor smoking should be outlawed in public places. this was the early 2000s, of course. anyway, i did a half-assed practice test essay version of it, and then spent some time time reading the 5.0 answer that was provided.
on my actual GRE, a few days later, what was the essay? of course, the same exact question about smoking and how it should be regulated in public spaces, almost word for word. instead of treating this like the easy alley oop that it was, i freaked out. i spent 20 minutes just staring at it, wondering what to do, worried that somehow if i replicated the 5.0 answer that i had just read a few days later, it would be plagiarism of some sort. i finally started scribbling something when it was way too late and rushed through everything, yeah badumdum after that
― just staying (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 05:54 (two years ago) link
I got something like, "Are the events of your life within your control or not? Answer in a five-paragraph essay and cite sources." (I'm not making this up, that was the question, I just don't remember exactly how it was worded.)
― Lily Dale, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 05:59 (two years ago) link
Actually they didn't tell me the five-paragraph-essay and sources part, so naturally I wrote a personal essay, which is why I failed the writing section of the GRE, didn't get into grad school, and ended up living in a shack in Alaska.
― Lily Dale, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 06:00 (two years ago) link
holy shit, what did you answer? to the "are the events of your life within your control or not?" question!?
jfc just thinking about this is stressing me out
― just staying (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 06:05 (two years ago) link
it's like well half of life is just showing up, but, fuck
― just staying (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 06:06 (two years ago) link
I don't really remember! I think I did a sort of light, "on the one hand/on the other hand" personal/anecdotal thing, because I really couldn't wrap my head around the idea that the GRE wanted me to take a firm stance on the issue and make my case in five paragraphs.
― Lily Dale, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 06:11 (two years ago) link
Isn't Anything is better than Loveless.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 06:56 (two years ago) link
I don't think that's an uncommon opinion - controversial or not tbf
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 07:03 (two years ago) link