Here's a controversial music opinion: labeling any genre as "fucking garbage" is as prejudiced as saying any cultural or ethnic group is "fucking garbage". There's garbage in every genre, yet none of them deserve that label.
While it might be correct on some level to call it prejudiced, I would defend use of hyperbole to vent strong opinions on a music forum without fear of it being compared to ethnic slurs. I would even go further and defend dismissing certain cultures as "fucking garbage" without that being compared to doing the same for an ethnic group. Difference in my mind being that a culture is something a person chooses to be a part of.
― beard papa, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:38 (two years ago) link
xposts Although he was the musical inspiration for that time my brother came to town and we spent the whole weekend inventing songs for my imaginary Newman Sings Newman album (where every tune is from the perspective of Jerry Seinfeld's nemesis). Pretty sure we nearly made a friend of mine pee his pants. Good times.
Otherwise: musical garbage machine.
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:40 (two years ago) link
Except there's a strong history of those genres that are commonly targeted and specifically dismissed wholesale as being ones started by and intended for historically marginalized groups - disco, rap, jazz being three prime contenders. It's pretty hard to extract that history when someone dismisses the entirety of a genre as "fucking garbage".
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:44 (two years ago) link
you know what's fucking garbage? this thread :)
― rob, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:44 (two years ago) link
Does that fully count as a 'music opinion', though?
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:45 (two years ago) link
no sadly, it's more of an "i love music opinion"
― rob, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:46 (two years ago) link
chords are bad
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:47 (two years ago) link
but cords are good, those should come back imho
― rob, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:48 (two years ago) link
Melody trumps harmony. Discuss.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:49 (two years ago) link
You guys don't like I Love L.A.?
― peace, man, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:52 (two years ago) link
Feel like I get that vibe from pop fans that declare superiority over "lol indie".
However I have no examples just vague memories of comments here on ilx over the years.
Actually, what did that even mean? Maybe I just guessed.
Everyone on ILX declares superiority over "lol indie".
― Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:53 (two years ago) link
on this board, I Lol Indie
― tean mean poleand cheaseang theas means hamseak feasts (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:54 (two years ago) link
I honestly didn't know you could register here if you didn't lol indie
― rob, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:55 (two years ago) link
― pomenitul, Tuesday, July 27, 2021 2:49 PM (five minutes ago)
Is this an actual controversy? (genuine q)
― rob, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:56 (two years ago) link
i believe geir hongro wrote a dissertation on this, spread out across many posts
― Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:58 (two years ago) link
Pretty sure Geir was hot for harmony.
― Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:59 (two years ago) link
but let's not forget melody. melody too. both very important in music
― Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:02 (two years ago) link
somehow i read thousands of words on this, and i don't remember a single thing about it! seriously! it was time well spent
― Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:03 (two years ago) link
graduation is a really good album
― brimstead, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:05 (two years ago) link
Melody trumps harmony. Discuss.― pomenitul, Tuesday, July 27, 2021 2:49 PM (five minutes ago)Is this an actual controversy? (genuine q)
― brimstead, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link
I would even go further and defend dismissing certain cultures as "fucking garbage" without that being compared to doing the same for an ethnic group. Difference in my mind being that a culture is something a person chooses to be a part of.
Not saying you're necessarily doing this, but this argument is used to support some really nasty stuff. (Unless you're talking about "toxic gaming culture" or something like that.)
― ghost runner on first (morrisp), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:08 (two years ago) link
It was back during Rousseau's time (he legit argued melody is superior to harmony in hopes of pwning Rameau).
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:08 (two years ago) link
I just don’t really get the idea of qualitatively comparing them. playing notes one at a time is better than playing notes simultaneously? Uh ok
― brimstead, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:11 (two years ago) link
well this is way over my head lol
― brimstead, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:12 (two years ago) link
rhythm > melody > harmony >>>>>> this thread
― bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:15 (two years ago) link
Rousseau defined melody as a spontaneous, archaic outpouring that comes straight from the heart, and harmony as a post hoc academic construct that cannot but result in artificial compositions. At least it made sense to him.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:16 (two years ago) link
Reading about Rousseau v. Rameau plus the Querelle des boufons, and I'm glad I didn't post my "there's no such thing as controversial music opinions" post
― rob, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:17 (two years ago) link
:D
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:18 (two years ago) link
Songs about ontology recapitulate songs about philogeny.
― Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:18 (two years ago) link
Not controversial enough imo.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:19 (two years ago) link
lol I don’t agree with Rousseau necessarily but I see where he’s coming from
― brimstead, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:26 (two years ago) link
It's a good starting point if you're looking to deconstruct the classical Western harmonic system. Whether it applies to harmony altogether is a different story.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:28 (two years ago) link
perhaps rousseau's aversion to harmony would've influenced him to echo pom's famous "pet sounds is bad" controp
― bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:37 (two years ago) link
I feel like if I could have gotten Rousseau high and played him The Byrds "Natural Harmony" the course of music history would have changed
― rob, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:39 (two years ago) link
make sure you don't accidentally play him "mind gardens" instead
― bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:40 (two years ago) link
Rosseau listening to soundgarden on headphones
― Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:41 (two years ago) link
Eddie Rosseau
you know what he'd really dig is "Tribal Gathering"
― rob, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:42 (two years ago) link
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:44 (two years ago) link
Rousseau was the OG Fourth World dude.
learning how to play music sucks. out of tune is the new "in tune"
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:46 (two years ago) link
Tbf 'Red Dress' is still stuck in my head several days later.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:46 (two years ago) link
Not everything's singing, you know.The only important thing these days is rhythm and melody.
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 20:06 (two years ago) link
nope rhythm is not important.
do y'all even *read* Geir's posts
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 20:06 (two years ago) link
Is Geir a Rush fan?
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 20:09 (two years ago) link
Jejune lyrics, cloying melodies and insecure quasi castrato vox from Pleasantville
this is the standard line on the album at this point isn’t it, as in this is exactly what makes it so great
i can’t stand this dark side of suburbia type of shit. which it’s probably only an accidental example of anyway
― Left, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 20:13 (two years ago) link
lol if only (x2).
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 20:14 (two years ago) link
I can't remember if Geir liked Rush, if I had to guess I think they might lack in traditional songcraft
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 20:16 (two years ago) link
seems like he would love the 80s synthy stuff
― brimstead, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 20:17 (two years ago) link
he doesn't hear rhythm though so Distant Early Warning sound like a blur of synths colliding with each other
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 20:21 (two years ago) link