This is nothing like Rebecca Black imo.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 24 July 2021 18:09 (two years ago) link
otm
― imago, Saturday, 24 July 2021 18:12 (two years ago) link
As for 'terrible', I found it quite compelling
because you thought she was hot?
― sarahell, Saturday, 24 July 2021 18:13 (two years ago) link
honestly, if I was more industrious, I would try adding a shit-ton of reverb to her voice to see if it could be palatable to gothwave cru
― sarahell, Saturday, 24 July 2021 18:15 (two years ago) link
Ari Evan12 hours ago (edited)Really niche of you to incorporate such strong Ives-ian influences in your composition. Who knew bi-tonality, microtones and “pop” could go so well together?!
Sarah BrandSarah Brand11 hours agoThank you so much!
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 24 July 2021 20:37 (two years ago) link
I think I'm coming around to classic.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 24 July 2021 20:39 (two years ago) link
Imo we're all sleeping on her other video, the fully fleshed version of 'Fantasy':
https://www.gtc.ox.ac.uk/news-and-events/news/sarah-brand-fantasy-music-video/
― pomenitul, Saturday, 24 July 2021 20:57 (two years ago) link
Wow, that's actually kind of cool. I mean, I want there to be more going on in the music but the dissonances are amazing at times, esp the crunchy layered vocal harmonies.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 24 July 2021 21:05 (two years ago) link
She makes me think a bit of Danielson Famile.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 24 July 2021 21:06 (two years ago) link
Maybe Adorno is her sociological role model?
― pomenitul, Saturday, 24 July 2021 21:07 (two years ago) link
Tbc, I have been exposed to one Danielson Famile album many years ago.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 24 July 2021 21:10 (two years ago) link
this is blowing up at the moment, huh
― Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 24 July 2021 21:12 (two years ago) link
honestly, if I was more industrious, I would try adding a shit-ton of reverb to her voice to see if it could be palatable to gothwave cru― sarahell, Saturday, July 24, 2021 7:15 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― sarahell, Saturday, July 24, 2021 7:15 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Given it a go - results are uh well...
https://soundcloud.com/james-errington-769931947/red-dress-fukd-up
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 24 July 2021 21:38 (two years ago) link
reminds me much more of a maybe-accidental, maybe-avant-garde vibe of Farah Abraham much more than Rebecca Black
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 24 July 2021 21:39 (two years ago) link
i'm getting a slight whiff of "Space Oddity" in there
― Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 24 July 2021 22:13 (two years ago) link
yeah I was think "Can't Find My Way Home" by Blind Faith
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 24 July 2021 23:06 (two years ago) link
I subscribed to her Vevo; she only has a few hundred subscribers. (How does an aspiring artist get a Vevo acct, can anyone do it?)
― ghost runner on first (morrisp), Saturday, 24 July 2021 23:31 (two years ago) link
(or is she an “industry plant,” lol)
― ghost runner on first (morrisp), Saturday, 24 July 2021 23:32 (two years ago) link
Also reminds me of this, which I think I found out about bc of a rushomancy post: http://musicweird.blogspot.com/2018/05/sick-sound-craze-for-amateur-girl.html
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 24 July 2021 23:43 (two years ago) link
her place is assured on the Oxbridge Outsiders album that Numero puts out in 2034
― in a bar, under the (seandalai), Saturday, 24 July 2021 23:49 (two years ago) link
I think anyone can start a Vevo account
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 24 July 2021 23:55 (two years ago) link
xxp Kathy Young is awesome, fwiw (I have her comp CD)
― ghost runner on first (morrisp), Sunday, 25 July 2021 00:10 (two years ago) link
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, July 24, 2021 2:38 PM (yesterday)
definitely moanwave adjacent! well done!
― sarahell, Sunday, 25 July 2021 07:35 (two years ago) link
Everett True stans for Brand …. and Brand replies!https://everetttest.wordpress.com/2021/07/22/sixty-for-60-27-sarah-brand/
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 25 July 2021 09:09 (two years ago) link
lol this is awesome.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 25 July 2021 09:26 (two years ago) link
If the Rebecca Black connection question is directed at me, there's none.
I just thought here was the best place to put it *shrugs*
― Maresn3st, Sunday, 25 July 2021 12:09 (two years ago) link
A lot of people outside of these walls are making a Rebecca Black connection, whether justified or not.
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 25 July 2021 12:39 (two years ago) link
Ah, I see
― Maresn3st, Sunday, 25 July 2021 12:45 (two years ago) link
Rebecca Black was a teenager who sang a banal song written for her by a commercial song factory, with extreme use of digital pitch correction. Sarah Brand is a grad student writing and performing her own songs and directing her own videos, trying to say something about religion and society, with a very unpolished voice to which she chooses not to apply any digital correction.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Sunday, 25 July 2021 12:57 (two years ago) link
There's a similar 'cringe' fascination for a lot of online viewers/listeners but it goes no further than that. They're opposites in some ways.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Sunday, 25 July 2021 13:00 (two years ago) link
There’s a perception that both are hilariously un-self-aware vanity projects, but yes, Brand is in control and Black wasn’t.
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 25 July 2021 14:24 (two years ago) link
The unanswered question here is whether Brand is knowing or delusional.
Evidence for the former: she's academically gifted, there's serious thought behind the concept, the contrast between the polished and competently produced instrumentation and the untreated raw vocal suggests a conscious aesthetic choice.
Evidence for the latter: there's a preening, self-adoring quality to her performance in the "Red Dress" video which could indicate narcissistic delusion; maybe she comes from money, the participants were paid well, and so nobody was motivated to have a quiet word in her ear.
Yeah, I'm a bit obsessed right now.
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 25 July 2021 14:42 (two years ago) link
I mean, even if she was at some point hearing her own voice and thinking it sounded like Carrie Underwood, she has by now read the many comments on her videos - even True's praise, which she responded to, was predicated on her work being raw, unpolished outsider art.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Sunday, 25 July 2021 14:59 (two years ago) link
It's the scope and the relative slickness of the presentation that's the unusual factor. A number of people who can sing no better than this distribute footage of themselves singing a cappella or strumming a guitar, very few spend thousands on a quasi-professional video.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 25 July 2021 15:02 (two years ago) link
Not sure it would require thousands. From the description of "Fantasy":
Special thanks to Green Templeton College, University of Oxford for the filming location.Special thanks to the Oxford University Filmmaking Foundation for the use of filming equipment.
(She's a member of both of those.)
The actors look like they're probably fellow students.
It would definitely require a lot of time, work, and production skills, though.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Sunday, 25 July 2021 15:12 (two years ago) link
Agree 100% though that the contrast between the voice and the slickness of everything else is the unusual and striking aspect.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Sunday, 25 July 2021 15:17 (two years ago) link
But I mean lol that slicked-up expensive pop music is otherwise the preserve of those with elite vocal technique.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Sunday, 25 July 2021 15:33 (two years ago) link
Do you think that there are well-known singers who would sound this pitchy without autotune?
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 25 July 2021 15:38 (two years ago) link
Someone has pitch-corrected the vocals (starts at 1:05).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6ERPeGkBt8
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 25 July 2021 15:53 (two years ago) link
Well, there are a lot of (mostly male) singers like Lou Reed and Bernard Sumner whose pitch doesn't sound much better than this to me but have made a distinctive aesthetic of it. (Taylor Swift ca 2007 wasn't quite at this level but was, uh, less distant than one might think.) But no my point was not that most pop/country singers sound like this, just that if what I want to listen to is great singing, that's often not what I would put on anyway.xp
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Sunday, 25 July 2021 15:55 (two years ago) link
There's also a "microtonal transcription".
This is notated in 48-tone equal temperament, using quarter tone accidentals as well as arrows to indicate 25 cents.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JVphem5IWE
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 25 July 2021 15:55 (two years ago) link
Come on, Sumner and even Reed have a vastly better command of pitch than Brand. Neither of them is a great singer - from a technical perspective - and yes, they turned that into an aesthetic. But Sumner (and Reed, in his younger days) can actually carry a tune.
― I Advance Masked (Vast Halo), Sunday, 25 July 2021 17:21 (two years ago) link
I wonder if both cultural norms, and the fact that higher-pitched voices have more prominence to the ear, conspire to make this more of an issue for female singers. I'm not sure that Ian Curtis on a bad day would have sung any better than this.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 25 July 2021 17:51 (two years ago) link
...but because he's down in a baritone range (and maybe due to Hannett's production), his voice recedes into the instruments.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 25 July 2021 18:03 (two years ago) link
well I mean part of it tho is this type of singing placed in a nominally. (if weirdly skewed) wanna be professional modern pop context in which singers can generally....sing or are at least pitch correctedif she was in some indie post punk band no one would bat an eyelash
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 25 July 2021 18:10 (two years ago) link
I wonder if both cultural norms, and the fact that higher-pitched voices have more prominence to the ear, conspire to make this more of an issue for female singers
yes. and see also genre -- listen to Camaraderie's reverb version --
― sarahell, Sunday, 25 July 2021 18:15 (two years ago) link
this sounds more like the average karaoke rendition of a song than anything to me.
my ex sang like this
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 July 2021 18:17 (two years ago) link
key hint is how she sometimes does wind up in key through pure chance.
yeah, where the person is singing at/near the top of her range (or psychologically induced range), as opposed to nearer the middle where the singer will feel more confident/comfortable to sing a wider range of notes
― sarahell, Sunday, 25 July 2021 18:20 (two years ago) link