We wanted Hendrix and Coltrane, we got Henry Vestine and Albert Ayler on bagpipes.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 July 2021 16:49 (two years ago) link
I doubt Coltrane's and Hendrix's paths would ever have crossed. Coltrane was as pure an acoustic jazz player as ever existed; there's not even a record of him ever playing with an organ trio. Alice didn't even plug in until after his death.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, July 9, 2021 12:49 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Coltrane sat in with Sonny Sharrock at least once (Sharrock said it felt like a massive industrial fan had been turned on behind him; he turned around, and it was Trane), and experimented with a prototype Varitone electronic saxophone setup shortly before his death:
https://i.imgur.com/xddM9dm.jpeg
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 July 2021 17:22 (two years ago) link
we got Henry Vestine and Albert Ayler on bagpipes.
LOL. Sadly not at the same time.
― Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Friday, 9 July 2021 17:25 (two years ago) link
If Miles had died on the same day Coltrane did, he wouldn't have recorded with electric instruments either. We'd be saying, "Miles was too traditional to have gone electric".
At the same time! on "Untitled Duet" on Ayler's Last Album.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 July 2021 17:28 (two years ago) link
it's pointless to speculate on alternate history, but coltrane's last recordings were his most wild and adventurous of all. i don't think it would be likely that he'd ignore electronics. if anything i'd expect him to do something much, much more wild and extreme than anything miles davis did
― Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 July 2021 17:31 (two years ago) link
Oh right, I knew Henry Vestine had played with him but I didn't know Albert was on bagpipes at the time.
― Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Friday, 9 July 2021 17:33 (two years ago) link
While I'm here, Albert Ayler.
― Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Friday, 9 July 2021 17:34 (two years ago) link
I like Waits’ the heart of Saturday night but not really anything else. It’s all I need from him.
― brimstead, Friday, 9 July 2021 18:37 (two years ago) link
^^^ That'd be Rain Dogs for me. I like bits and pieces of other Tom Waits records.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Friday, 9 July 2021 19:24 (two years ago) link
I don't really see how one could like Rain Dogs but not Swordfish or Franks Wild Years. They sound of a piece to me and I can happily listen to those three on shuffle no probs
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 9 July 2021 22:17 (two years ago) link
Rain Dogs is the poppiest of the three, the easiest to like. Swordfishtrombones is OK, but to me it feels a little murky and not-quite-there; he was still figuring out the style he perfected on RD and on Bone Machine.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 9 July 2021 22:48 (two years ago) link
A. R. Kane
― Evan, Friday, 9 July 2021 22:50 (two years ago) link
what about “when you’re sad”/“so far away”?
― brimstead, Friday, 9 July 2021 23:15 (two years ago) link
just perfect single imo. 69 is weird and gorgeous, took me awhile to get into it.
― brimstead, Friday, 9 July 2021 23:17 (two years ago) link
Gave up trying with them tbh.
― Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Friday, 9 July 2021 23:25 (two years ago) link
talking heads
― xzanfar, Saturday, 10 July 2021 00:08 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaOj0-nvkoA
― xzanfar, Saturday, 10 July 2021 00:09 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixj-NcYIKAQ
― xzanfar, Saturday, 10 July 2021 00:10 (two years ago) link
Yeah I have 69 but need to try again
― Evan, Saturday, 10 July 2021 01:13 (two years ago) link
sign me up as someone who couldn't get into 69 but liked "When You're Sad"
― sleeve, Saturday, 10 July 2021 01:26 (two years ago) link
For a bit I thought you guys were saying you were trying to force yourself to like 6ix9ine
― treeship., Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:26 (two years ago) link
Here's where I wave my giant 'Tom Waits' Big Time is his best record! Number 1' foam finger again. Such a shame that it doesn't get any love as it has *scorching* versions of songs from the Island years that surpass the album versions by miles and is the best entry into his middle years.
― Maresn3st, Saturday, 10 July 2021 11:58 (two years ago) link
It is a really good, overlooked album. It might help if the movie was available, too...
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 10 July 2021 12:03 (two years ago) link
I have a friend who is passionate about Sebadoh, and I kept trying to engage with it, but have found that I am just not interested... partially cuz dude seems like such a shitty, prickish ghoul of a human.
― heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 19:26 (two years ago) link
^I wouldn't go that far, but (as a big fan) I'm not sure how someone would get into Sebadoh "fresh"... they seem like a pretty context-specific band, if that makes sense (III is a klassic, tho).
― aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 19:38 (two years ago) link
Also - Smash Your Head... is one of my favorite records, and I think the Barlow 'tude is fairly minimal on that one (it's mainly rockin'). So maybe there?
― aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 19:39 (two years ago) link
i prefer swordfishtrombones to rain dogs because its less traditional ... i remember finding rain dogs kind of a disappointment bc it just got a bit less theatrical and a bit more idk ... bluesy
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 02:57 (two years ago) link
Re: Sebadoh - How about listening to Jason Loewenstein's 100% Barlow-free At Sixes and Sevens solo album?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JPQpDqEGsY
― Hideous Lump, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 05:56 (two years ago) link
Another thing about Sebadoh is (and I know this is a very Indie Rock Dick comment) a lot of their key stuff was spread out in random places - so if you didn't have, like, the "Asshole" 7"; Oven Is My Friend on Siltbreeze; the Magic Ribbons 7" comp box set, etc., you weren't getting the whole picture (though I'm sure that stuff is all on YouTube now).
Looking back, I can see how the main impression they make is - "Uptight stoner guy dryly dissects his hang-ups and passive-aggressively gets emo about relationships" - but they were really one of the premier bands of the scene, at least early on, they did so much that was so great.
― aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 14:49 (two years ago) link
Another example is Unrest - even in their time, they were mainly known for their last few albums (when they settled into a poppier sound), but their early output is some of the most exciting, diverse, and creative of anyone's (and they got started a little earlier, too). Now they're just lumped in on streaming services with a bunch of identically-named cruft, and are barely remembered AFAIK.
― aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 14:56 (two years ago) link
Just seconding morrisp on Sebadoh - the impact they'd had by 1992 was muddled (I think) by the years of the band after that. Not to say they weren't good later records/line-ups, but in that moment: this dude kicked out of Dino Jr, putting out lo-fi stoner folk tapes as duo with Eric, then pivoting to loud overblown trio live shows and then records (songs often redone from the original acoustic versions from those tapes), shambling shows where the equipment was falling apart, switching instruments/singer/songwriters (Eric was a huge part of that early group magic), and singles/albums/comp tracks coming out left and right as morris said made them as vital as any band then. Live stuff usually helps me get into a band, so these two from 1991 and 1992 might help with that context (or cement the perspective that he's a prickish ghoul - imo he's more that friend who can't stop obsessing over a past relationship. I'd lose my mind dealing with him as a friend/bandmate, but in the context of a fan of the band I don't mind it).
Maxwell's 1991: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMlY93hlL-oMaxwell's 1992: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLILUFeYF8w (with snippets of Royal Trux and Smog)
And yes to Unrest too!
― city worker, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 15:24 (two years ago) link
Nice links! This is my favorite Sebadoh boot (7th Street Entry) - it's tense, brittle, terrific:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9A9T9Nm7lQ
― aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 16:27 (two years ago) link
RE: Coltrane stuff upthread
Must concur on Crescent. It is so lovely. Jimmy Garrison's long, unaccompanied bass solo on "Lonnie's Lament" is one of my favorite Coltrane Quartet moments on record. Andy once had a dream that John Coltrane did not exit in 1967 and, with Alice by his side, ended up as a co-leader of Sun Ra's Arkestra. In his Earthly life, Coltrane was a fan of John Gilmore, mostly based on Gilmore's time in NYC around when this album was recorded. There are a few anecdotes around it in John Szwed's Sun Ra biography.
Would liken someone not really getting why with Sebadoh now to a time when we worked at Tower Records. It was 2005-ish and a very younger co-worker (eighteen exactly, to be sure) was recommended Sunny Day Real Estate and hated it based on the fact that, at that point, it sounded like a thousand other stock cliche emo bands. Sometimes the context is approaching to be —or just as— important as the music.
― things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 17:45 (two years ago) link
Those Sebadoh clips are good - definitely a band I never completely "got" and I can at least see what people see in them from those. I would have enjoyed those shows I think.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 18:55 (two years ago) link
That Maxwell's set is crunchy as hell - love it
― aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 19:45 (two years ago) link
Okay, I actually dig that clip from Maxwell's. I still probably won't get into Sebadoh, but it's the first thing I've heard that made the appeal palpable
― heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 19:48 (two years ago) link
Fourplay
― brimstead, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 20:10 (two years ago) link
Love ;_;
― corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 10:49 (two years ago) link
Margo Price
― Mule, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 11:10 (two years ago) link
Someone said it upthread but Unrest was one for me, before Perfect Teeth. Tried to listen to the early stuff but nothing doing. In theory I should love them. Young Marble GiantsSwell Maps
― DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 15:19 (two years ago) link
smiths, morrissey, new order, bernard sumner
― xzanfar, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 15:30 (two years ago) link
ha, Unrest, YMG and Swell Maps are three of my favouritest bands
― a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 15:33 (two years ago) link
I think I've said this before but I love the Young Marble Giants album so much that I rarely play it. Which sounds like a Yogi Berra-ism, but I really never want to wear out its charms with overplay and overfamiliarity. It's one of my favorite records of all time.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 15:43 (two years ago) link
Unrest - Imperial F.F.R.R. is one of my favorite albums. Interesting though if that does nothing for someone who likes Perfect Teeth!
― Evan, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 17:17 (two years ago) link
― 20 Preflyte Rock (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 17:17 (two years ago) link
― DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 17:32 (two years ago) link
_Unrest - Imperial F.F.R.R. is one of my favorite albums. Interesting though if that does nothing for someone who likes Perfect Teeth!_Lemme try again!
― DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 17:34 (two years ago) link
I love the Young Marble Giants album so much that I rarely play it.
There are lots of Big Monolithic Albums that I count among my favourites (Colossal Youth, Suicide s/t, The Drift) that I've maybe listened to about five or ten times only. When the music has a simplistic quality to it, it resonates in your brain longer and doesn't require actual listening, at least, that's my experience
― a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 17:40 (two years ago) link
The Drift is a great example of that. I love it, have only listened to 3 times, not going to happen again anytime soon either
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 17:54 (two years ago) link
also, so far i have only listened to laurie anderson's United States Live once, in full, but it was enough to fall in love
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 17:55 (two years ago) link