it's also especially laughable when discussions of future-forward music get stuck debating what the realest shit was 30 years ago
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 04:55 (two years ago) link
That's interesting because I think late 90s trance is the same. Those progressive records are much better produced than the brain bashing minimalism of techno, yet on the whole they do nothing for me. High production standards can mean too many novelty tricks for the sake of it. this just ends up sounding like aural wallpaper.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 09:23 (two years ago) link
any talk on Italo that cites it’s zenith as 85 is conflating totally different phases and scenes
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 09:46 (two years ago) link
xpost: that said, that Cass & Slide tune is indeed boring as fuck.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 09:51 (two years ago) link
Nah, it does nothing for you because you were just too old when 90s trance came along and it wasn't your scene. I'm not trying to give you a hard time here, that's just how this whole thing works. Virtually nobody appreciates the stuff that came right *after* their favourite era of music.
Actually no. I was into UK garage (well, 2step especially the overtly poppy shola ama end of it) at the time. Which did have some polished production values but this progressive stuff is panaramic in a way 2step wasn't. In a way I see that as it's strength. But it's not a strength I'm interested in. Complexity can be a curse. I was actually too young at the time to know about the earlier (mid 90s german trance.) Hardly what teenagers glued into the london pirates had access to. But to me trance should have always sounded like this. Amphetamine psychosis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQK32947YTA
I actually can't find much hard trance even from this 1993 era that is eerie and gothic like this. Nu beat for the raver generation.
― RobbiePires, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 09:57 (two years ago) link
There's tons of that, mostly German and Belgian though.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 10:29 (two years ago) link
trance, like techno, is a very wide umbrella though, in terms of sonics, geography/scenes and eras. It's almost impossible to make useful generalized statements about it.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 10:43 (two years ago) link
Discussions at this point on techno realness (with or without involving trance) are too poisoned by all the posturing, mythmaking and gatekeeping. The same tired cliches are getting wheeled out in 2021 as if they're brand new insights, just see any discogs forum. At some point you've read it all. This shit is 30+ years old, if you're invested in this music you know the score by now.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 10:52 (two years ago) link
^^^^
― Tim F, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 10:58 (two years ago) link
Many of you sound very old, none of the young people making rave music talk like this, and disdain these discussions of purity and realness. Rightly so.
― heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 17:15 (two years ago) link
I am very old, but I agree, although there is definitely a trend of extremely hip up and coming techno and acid purists who spin the classics.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 17:17 (two years ago) link
Lectric Workers
Thank you for mentioning this name, I know jack shit about Italo-Disco of any era but I love the singles I pulled up on YT.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 17:42 (two years ago) link
though not limited to italo disco, check out I-F's Mixed Up at the Hague, a 2000-era mix that re-codified italodisco for a new generation.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
^^ so good and so fun
― lukas, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 18:36 (two years ago) link
Was going to also mention, a great thing about Chicago house (and its heavy Italo content) is that the blueprints of what went into it are all in mixes on YouTube from the mid 80s WBMX era
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekveVpJhYdI
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 18:37 (two years ago) link
pretty much how I view Mills' Wizard mixes and techno
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 18:38 (two years ago) link
Many of you sound very old, none of the young people making rave music talk like this
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 20:30 (two years ago) link
sorry, nobody under eighty. i’m getting old.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 20:33 (two years ago) link