idk if that's true of the last two tracks
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 13:45 (two years ago) link
lol yeah I wrote that before I got that far.
― braised cod, Saturday, 26 June 2021 13:52 (two years ago) link
It really does sound like shit but the tunes are undeniable
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Saturday, 26 June 2021 15:55 (two years ago) link
if it doesn't sound like crap it isn't a Darkthrone record.
― braised cod, Saturday, 26 June 2021 15:59 (two years ago) link
do you have to be cool with nazism to be a true metalhead
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 16:23 (two years ago) link
obviously the answer to your good faith question is yes
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 16:36 (two years ago) link
hard to think of many other genres where this shit is just normal
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 16:38 (two years ago) link
it’s something i grapple with way more as a mayhem fan than as a darkthrone fan but go off
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 16:39 (two years ago) link
i do lament the normalization of buying records by nazis in metal communities
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 16:40 (two years ago) link
wtf? Darkthrone has literally made a statement that they are are not Nazis, so why wouldn't you go after actually dodgy bands? But I guess that would undermine your argument, since most metalheads avoid those.
― braised cod, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:35 (two years ago) link
fuck off
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:37 (two years ago) link
ahh this is a productive discussion
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:38 (two years ago) link
they collaborated with varg & have an album called panzerfaust but hey at least they said they're not nazis
this kind of denial & defensiveness is absolutely typical though
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:39 (two years ago) link
what exactly is your 'endgame' here. did you read Wikipedia, get mad, and enter this thread?
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:41 (two years ago) link
"hey guys, here are two facts nobody has disputed that are both 20+ years old, here I am to blow your minds with it and suggest you are all Nazis!!!!"
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:42 (two years ago) link
opened thread, saw album title, did 2 minutes of google research, got pissed off at metal culture yet again
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:45 (two years ago) link
i knew this would happen because i know metalheads don't like being called out on this shit
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:46 (two years ago) link
we've literally had the conversation on ILX for more than ten years, you obstinate dumbfuck
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:46 (two years ago) link
you stumble into the thread after learning about it five minutes and we're the assholes? fuck you.
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:47 (two years ago) link
no fuck you for not coming to the obvious necessary consensus on this
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:48 (two years ago) link
― Left, Saturday, June 26, 2021 10:46 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i was defensive bc you were being an asshole from the jump, i wonder why this keeps happening to you
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:49 (two years ago) link
i have been through this before with metal fans so i know how it goes & being polite doesn't work
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:52 (two years ago) link
does this work
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:53 (two years ago) link
also fuck off man, we're not a monolith
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
Left, have you ever doubted the soundness of your position on… just about anything, really?
― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
yes, this is pretty clear cut though, do you know how this looks to people with no connection to metal culture
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:56 (two years ago) link
Is it now. If I were you, I'd start by reading the countless threads we've collectively devoted to this topic and its various avatars over the years.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:57 (two years ago) link
Left, I honestly don't care if you get FPed anymore. you're a smart dude, but you're also a cunt, and you presume the worst about everybody and willfully ignore the 15+ years of discussion that have happened on this board ON THE EXACT TOPIC YOU'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW. which, if you'd actually use the search function, would turn up that the discussion has a much wider range of opinion on the topic than you'd be willing to admit. yeah, there are definitely posters here that will literally jedi-handwave the sins of the metal scene away and go "#notallmetalbands", but I don't think Big HOOS, aerosmith, or others in this thread fit that category.
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:58 (two years ago) link
i don't think it's necessary to call left a c***
i was on the verge of calling his rhetorical tactics cop-ish tho
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:02 (two years ago) link
i am aware of the discussions - so what? this thread has been free of them until now
i have only directly insulted the band and metal in general and i haven't called any posters nazis yet
i could and maybe should go after slayer and motorhead too but i hold my tongue, this is egregious though and i decided complaining on another thread wasn't enough
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:06 (two years ago) link
i'd rather be called a cunt than the other thing
Besides, you're British, right?
― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:06 (two years ago) link
and german, so
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:07 (two years ago) link
i don't listen to burzum bc that guy is a nazi and i read a lot of persuasive arguments on here back in the day that even listening to nazi shit without giving them your money is some kind of tacit support, i took it to heart, that's still what i live by (even though i think also on some level i respond to regressive shit (just regressive shit that isn't advocating for racist and sexist garbage or whose avatar isn't advocate of racist and sexist garbage, more regressive like a shot-on-video horror is regressive. and i definitely draw my own lines when it comes to this stuff.... as we all do? even with darkthrone, whose most famous record has some nazi shit in the liner notes but who have presented themselves as aggressively not-nazis ever since as far as i have been able to tell)
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:07 (two years ago) link
hard to tell if the british ppl on here are cool with americans calling them cunts, i just assumed it wasn't cool
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:12 (two years ago) link
yeah I didn't mean to be #notallmetalbands, but like Brad said, they've definitely presented since as not-nazis.
― braised cod, Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:21 (two years ago) link
cop-ish does work. I think back to the thread DJP started last year, asking why so many black metal threads had been started in a multi-day period, and offering the perspective that it was a particularly ugly look as it happened during the midst of the George Floyd situation, since a few of the threads did discuss some bands with checkered pasts, something that DJP has been brought up in the past and wanted to discuss.
that was my fault, as I was the thread bumper, and it had happened on a night where I depressed and lonely and listening to music and bumped a few thematically connected threads. Is there defensiveness in the metal scene? of fucking course. it exists on this board, and throughout the scene. we saw it in DJP's thread. I'm embarrassed by it and have spent a lot of time fighting it and racism/sexism in the scene in person, even though I've been clowned for it as being an SJW at times in recent years.
DJP got rightfully angry during that thread because the question was essentially for me (as the thread bumper), but many other people jumped in, defensive, not listening to his concerns, being condescending to them, and rushing to preserve the sanctity of metal, while ums and sarahell rightfully asked everybody to dial it back and listen. He gave the board the opportunity to explain themselves, and we failed because we didn't listen and talked over him (I felt bad as I had missed the discussion for several hours).
So to Brad's point, yes, metalheads are not a monolith, and we're not all averse to copping to our own sins or the sins of our genre. we have a lot of pieces of shit amongst us - and not all of us police it properly.
but Left isn't interested in anything but gotcha politics, being able to label and paint with a broad brush, isn't even interested in prior discussions we've had regarding Darkthrone and their early origins, or the makeup of who was a part of these discussions. that's the 'defensiveness' you're seeing here, Left. and I'd hardly consider Brad someone who is a listener with blinders who jedi-handwaves everything away, nor j0hn or Big HOOS or rushomancy (who I miss dearly) - all people who have taken part in discussions in this thread or others.
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:22 (two years ago) link
I am aware of prior discussions. I remember the previous controversy. there is a reason I am pushing this here and not on some metal forum. I know people know this is not ok. this is not some kind of fun game for me, I don’t get off on being a killjoy. I want to like metal. this is why I don’t
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:41 (two years ago) link
this is not some kind of fun game for me, I don’t get off on being a killjoy. I want to like metal
I have never gotten the feeling from any of your posts on any subject in any thread on any ILX page that you "want to like" anything. You're a willfully ignorant shit-stirrer with a messiah complex.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:47 (two years ago) link
And with that I'm out, because I don't even like Darkthrone.
i really get the idea that you want to like metal but it is too steeped in or tolerant of nazi ideology so like yes i agree that sucks really hard
the closest i come is mayhem who i love so much but recent discussions on what i think was the de mysteriis thread made me rethink about how much time i listen to a band with a dude like hellhammer in it iykwim. this was btw not a hostile discussion at all
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:52 (two years ago) link
yeah that was last year, it was a worthwhile discussion.
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 June 2021 19:02 (two years ago) link
― brimstead, Saturday, 26 June 2021 20:33 (two years ago) link
because occasionally people talk about music i like, or recommend music i might like. same reason anyone else is here i assume
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 20:37 (two years ago) link
*nothing* i have ever posted has been as harsh as the kind of stuff that was standard here 10-15 years ago for what it’s worth (nothing ofc)
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link
Fiww, everything you've raised is clearly worthy of discussion but you've arrived like someone carrying the torch of enlightenment and in my experience this thread is full of thoughtful people that have clearly already spent a good deal of time debating just these issues and deserve more respect.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 26 June 2021 20:49 (two years ago) link
what would have been a better way to raise this? because other than ignoring it i can’t think of anything that wouldn’t have provoked the same kind of reaction, especially because of but also regardless of whatever reputation i have by now on here
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 20:59 (two years ago) link
maybe a poster people actually like saying hey people this is a bit dodgy isn’t it could have got somewhere but i didn’t see it happening
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 21:02 (two years ago) link
Nah, of course it's fine to ask - in lots of ways it seems so clear and obvious. Idk, don't present it as an aggressive fait accompli I guess.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 26 June 2021 21:04 (two years ago) link
this is not some kind of fun game for me, I don’t get off on being a killjoy.
― enochroot, Saturday, 26 June 2021 22:16 (two years ago) link