"It's My Life" is butt rock because Max Martin. That is, it's not really any more butt rock than Backstreet Boys (JBJ's vox aside). Or, you know, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuMre7PGsZA
I still contend that "Black Betty" is way too syncopated and tricky to be butt rock. Especially compared to the next few on the list.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 June 2021 20:51 (three years ago) link
xp damn, the boyzz rule!
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Monday, 14 June 2021 21:26 (three years ago) link
why were they not the Boyzz from Illinoiz?
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Monday, 14 June 2021 21:32 (three years ago) link
lol they kinda got booed off the stage. The show started late and the crowd was impatient. Rush had just released 2112 had a huge laser show; although I'm not a fan it was obvious they'd never be third band on the bill again. REO were so boring I fell asleep and woke up in the middle of BOC.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 14 June 2021 21:42 (three years ago) link
Well, "fell asleep," it was 1976 after all...
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 14 June 2021 21:50 (three years ago) link
Where does this fall on the butt spectrum?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG8auUjhZEI
― bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Tuesday, 15 June 2021 15:11 (three years ago) link
Copyright 1885 Hacienda Records. Antique cockrock that shouldn't have been brought to the refinishers for the hairmetal varnish. Oh my that attempt at a DLR split is painful looking. A+ for enthusiasm though!
― Citole Country (bendy), Tuesday, 15 June 2021 15:31 (three years ago) link
Black Oak did some buttrock, although they were such a weird band. And this... buttrockers would think Jim Dandy had gone new wave. I've never heard/seen this before, it's hilarious. A tossup between this and the video for "Music Time" by Styx posted elsewhere this week for most astoundingly misbegotten new wave cash-in.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 15 June 2021 15:44 (three years ago) link
i'm the king of buttthere is none higherAll would-be butt rockers should call me SireTo burn my butt, you must use fireI won't stop buttin' til I retire
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 15 June 2021 16:16 (three years ago) link
If you want butt, you got it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW22JDVEejk
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 June 2021 18:04 (three years ago) link
Loverboy is Buttrock in spirit butt Post-butt by necessity, what with the keyboards and Steinberger bass and collared shirts. Cars-like adaptations so more dire New Wave like B-52s may be fended off - "Lovin' Every Minute of It" video most explicitly. True Buttrock could only happen in the 70s, when there were no challenges to the throne of rock power.
― Citole Country (bendy), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 17:48 (three years ago) link
All those live videos of the Boyzz are great! Buttrockin' but also very Radio Birdman.
― Citole Country (bendy), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 18:01 (three years ago) link
Interesting that this thread that ended several days before the official start of the pandemic in the US has come back to life now that the country is opening up. What, I wonder, is the relation between normalcy and the existence of buttrock debate?
― Lily Dale, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 18:18 (three years ago) link
Trvmp rally music is not all Buttrock in form, but is certainly Buttrock if reception theory holds
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2020/06/20/trump-rally-playlist-tulsa/
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7673XgxqA16yhdVEFvpYyh?si=acde744669f64a2b
― Citole Country (bendy), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 19:11 (three years ago) link
I can't believe I missed this thread! I feel like if I have a wheelhouse aside from dadrock and classic rock, it's def buttrock lol
I think you can stretch the cutoff to maybe 1982 but i agree that generally 1979 is the cutoff
It has to be songs with a bluesy/boogie kind of bass. But not necessary blues-boogie songs? Should suggest fucking but it doesn't have to be ABOUT fucking. Which kind of leads to my main thought, that there needs to be an air of sleaze. Either lyrically, or musically, or both.Out in the world, I feel like buttrock is to me the songs that make those messy drunk couples that were the cheerleader & the football star in highschool but now they're the hairdresser & the contractor go into full makeout mode at nostalgia concerts & Rocklahoma, etc.
worthy additionsI'm On Fire - Dwight Tilley BandHot Legs - Rod Stewart Your Mama Won't Like Me - Suzy Quatro Hittin & Runnin / Rockin into the Night / Wild Eyed Southern Boys - 38 SpecialHead Games / Feels Like the First Time - Foreigner
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 July 2021 01:18 (two years ago) link
the main reason to stretch the cutoff is that early .38 Special definitely belongs in this genre
also maybe Loverboy, though they're kinda too synthy. And I really want to try to get Night Ranger in there but I don't think they make it. Don't Tell Me You Love Me is close, but perhaps too pleading?
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 July 2021 01:20 (two years ago) link
No Molly Hatchet, no credibility. I kinda think "Flirting with Disaster" should be in such company.
Maybe they play MC5 in Michigan somewhere on the FM radio, but I doubt it was played ANYWHERE outside of maybe college radio shows. That record was also out of print for well over a decade before it came back into print in CD, it was pretty obscure.
I get it fits riff wise and perhaps sonically, but there was no one jamming that in their Bitchin' Camaro in '77.
― earlnash, Friday, 30 July 2021 01:34 (two years ago) link
"Rock You Like A Hurricane" by the Scorps should probably be here too.
It and "Too Young to Fall In Love" by the Crue fit better here than "Enter Sandman".
Basically, if you had a video where you are in a cage with women in shredded clothes writhing on the bars - you probably are playing something pretty damn butt rock.
― earlnash, Friday, 30 July 2021 01:39 (two years ago) link
I'm glad this thread has been revived because I think buttrock overlaps a lot with the "music to listen to while shooting pool" genre from the ZZ Top thread.
Earlnash, you will find uncontested support upthread for your opinion that "Flirtin' with Disaster" by Molly Hatchet should have been included in this list. The original list has certain flaws that have been hashed over throughout the thread in the interests of creating a more perfect conception of buttrock. I would personally caution against the idea that stripper rock a la Motley Crue and the Scorpions is proper buttrock. I realize both are coming from sleaze, but hair metal is more of a post-quaalude era sleaze, for lack of a better description.
― Josefa, Friday, 30 July 2021 02:00 (two years ago) link
Also I must admit that when I did a quick review of this thread I wondered, "where was Vegemite in this conversation?" so it's good to have her input. Definitely agree that .38 Special belongs here; imo they put an emphatic period on the whole era, although Loverboy and Billy Squier should be discussed in this light as well.
― Josefa, Friday, 30 July 2021 02:17 (two years ago) link
Billy Squier should NOT be discussed bc I hate him but ok :)
I agree that Molly Hatchet could easily slot in hereAnd maybe the cutoff should be 1983 so we can get those ZZ Top Eliminator classics in there
I think UFO definitely has some stuff that fits here. Maybe not Doctor Doctor (it's a bit too fast?) but stuff like Too Hot to Handle or Only You Can Rock Me.
and unfortunately pretty much every song from the late 70's that raves about boning 17 year old girls. Yes, Babys, I'm looking at you.
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 July 2021 02:25 (two years ago) link
oh and whoever said upthread that Kiss doesn't belong here is forgetting Love Gun.
UFO are a weird one because although their whole catalog reeks of buttrock, I question how popular or prominent they really were. Their albums sold pretty well, it looks like, but I don't honestly remember them from (US) AOR radio back in the day, which is the admittedly biased lens through which I came to know this "genre"... (maybe "Doctor Doctor" was played a little? It has a certain familiarity).
― Josefa, Friday, 30 July 2021 02:42 (two years ago) link
How could anyone hate Billy Squier?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 July 2021 02:48 (two years ago) link
JUST WATCH MExpost josefa, yr right but man i would hate to exclude UFO based on airplay. i think if it sounds like it should be blasting from a camaro tape deck, it stays. :D xpost to earl - I think the Scorps are too fastpaced for buttrock also their sleaze is weirdly, um asexual? wrong word but idk how else to say it. i thought maybe something from Lovedrive but i couldnt find anything that gives the specific buttrock vibe
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 July 2021 02:53 (two years ago) link
Ozzy's "Crazy Train" Sammy's "There's Only One Way to Rock"Montrose's "Rock Candy"Blackfoot's "Train Train"Uriah's "Easy Livin'"April Wine's "I Like to Rock"
Reviewing my teenage FM radio ravaged brain cells, these are the others I came up to list. I spent waaay too much time listening to Q95 when I was a kid.
I grew up outside a neighborhood called 'Shedtown' with LOTS of dudes that looked exactly like Todd from Beavis & Butthead driving old beat up Nova's or Vega's with way too big a stereos or van's they airbrushed Miss Playboy 1979 on the side.
― earlnash, Friday, 30 July 2021 02:54 (two years ago) link
ozzy - ehh no for me, it’s too fast & flashy for buttrock sammy YESmontrose oh hell yessblackfoot fuck yesuriah yepapril wine CMON CANADA
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 July 2021 02:58 (two years ago) link
Uriah Heep's "Easy Livin'" for damn sure, that is a neglected classic
― Josefa, Friday, 30 July 2021 02:59 (two years ago) link
lol ~airbrushed miss playboy 1979~ is startling imagery that i had never considered beforewizard vans surenudie vans? whoa
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 July 2021 03:00 (two years ago) link
She was more in lingerie but there was some definite nipplige visible. Dudes would bust on him as she kinda looked cross-eyed in the painting. Other than the eyes, it was some pretty impressive redneck airbrush auto-painting.
We used to have a dude in our hood that was older that was nicknamed by kids as I shit you not "Mr. Disco" that used to rip through the subdivision in a powder blue Nova. He had the big white dude curly fro and a handlebar mustache and probably was in his late 20s still living with his parents - this would have been probably 80/81 era. Moms would bitch at him (and his older mom) as he would tear through the streets with kids playing in the street.
We had one street that used to flood pretty bad after huge rains and kids would literally play in the flood water like was a swimming pond until it drained away. (I shudder at the thought at what was in that water now bacteria and chemically now.) Anyway the kids playing in this redneck street pool lured him to run through the waters to get a big wave going (as he done it before) but this time it was a bit deeper than normal and he got stalled. Dude had to evacuate and flooded his beloved Nova and there in the middle of this utter defeat for Mr. Disco was like probably 40-50 kids from 6 to 14 laughing their ass off and pointing at him including a couple of the Moms that saw it happen.
― earlnash, Friday, 30 July 2021 03:14 (two years ago) link
^I recognize that type of culture. That could have happened in my old neighborhood.
Dying at the cross-eyed airbrush queen.
― Josefa, Friday, 30 July 2021 03:21 (two years ago) link
When we moved there in '78 - our next door neighbor was a divorced sales guy for Pepsi that had like 4 teenage sons (no mom). The dad looked kinda like Herb Tarlek with the checkered leisure pans etc. Their house was complete madness, with tons of Pepsi on the shelf, HBO on the TV and dad not much around - which meant all sorts of crazy stuff going on.
The older brother looked pretty much like Wooderson, the two middle sons were twins Denny and Danny that had big curly fros and glasses and me and my buddies hung out with the youngest kid who was a couple years older than me (I was like 8-9 at the time). The twin brothers were geeky and were always like using those old metal tennis ball cans and building cannons with lighter fluid and using M80s to blow shit up. They literally got me high a few times as a kid like age 8-9. I remember well listening to the first Cars record on LP and like the world melting down.
Couple years later the dad started dating this redheaded English lady and they eventually got married and moved out. How the heck he met a English woman in Muncie in the that era, I still wonder how it happened.
― earlnash, Friday, 30 July 2021 03:31 (two years ago) link
Keep mind behind this neighborhood was a creek and then a cornfield - the road on the other side of the cornfield was CORNBREAD ROAD - the very road that Spielberg used for Richard Dreyfuss' first 'Close Encounter' in the movie. From what I understood, Spielberg was going to film in Muncie but the crooked ass politicians tried to shake him down for cash - so they passed.
In hindsight, it was a weird place in a weird time.
― earlnash, Friday, 30 July 2021 03:36 (two years ago) link
So that is my buttrock credentials in a nutshell.
― earlnash, Friday, 30 July 2021 03:41 (two years ago) link
using those old metal tennis ball cans and building cannons with lighter fluid
We called those "Polish cannons" (suburban South Florida circa 1980). We probably could've come up with a less disrespectful name, but that was the times. There seems to be a certain fundamental common ground connecting suburban culture across the US.
― Josefa, Friday, 30 July 2021 03:47 (two years ago) link
I think we all have to acknowledge that earlnash might be a buttrock authority.
I grew up in Southern Illinois and I might be slightly younger but I can totally relate to your posts.
There is something very midwest about buttrock, I feel.
― Carlos Santana & Mahavishnu Rob Thomas (PBKR), Friday, 30 July 2021 12:59 (two years ago) link
so pleased at how much the butt thread expanded today
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Friday, 30 July 2021 17:06 (two years ago) link
earlnash def has the bonafides *stamps buttrock card*ozzy still aint buttrock tho :)
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 July 2021 17:39 (two years ago) link
Agreed. But why? One thought is it's not quite bro-y enough.
― Carlos Santana & Mahavishnu Rob Thomas (PBKR), Friday, 30 July 2021 18:45 (two years ago) link
no sleaze
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 July 2021 18:45 (two years ago) link
sleaze quotient must be 75% or higher
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 July 2021 18:46 (two years ago) link
ozzy is too heavy to be buttrock, but "crazy train" is certainly a buttrock anthem
― bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Friday, 30 July 2021 18:53 (two years ago) link
ok yr going to have to explain your logic because i do not see it at all
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 July 2021 18:57 (two years ago) link
I don't think "Crazy Train" fits but something like "Flying High Again" is pretty butt. Camaro Rock.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 July 2021 19:13 (two years ago) link
ok but just picturing it playing in a camaro is not the only criteriacamaro must be driven by the 30 year old dude dating a high schooler or what are we even doing here
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 July 2021 19:17 (two years ago) link
I feel like buttrock and “gas grass or ass nobody rides for free” bumper stickers are strongly correlated more so than any particular vehicle
― joygoat, Friday, 30 July 2021 19:21 (two years ago) link
otm
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 July 2021 19:21 (two years ago) link
― joygoat, Friday, 30 July 2021 19:22 (two years ago) link
point of comparison:THIS is buttrock:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TantJmKEQw
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 July 2021 19:23 (two years ago) link
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, July 30, 2021 1:57 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
idk i can picture wayne and garth banging their head to it. maybe they were more sophisticated than the average butt rockers. also, it's got a big dumb riff and a big dumb chorus ("metal wounds not heeeeealing"), and it inspired a big dumb rap song by trick daddy and lil jon.
― bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Friday, 30 July 2021 19:37 (two years ago) link