Who's The Foxiest Rock Critic?

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that strongo hulkington is a dishy chap

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

So Simon looks like Lou, I look like Kevin. From there, the world!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post -

Sara's unintentional Lloyd Cole quote: "cheekbones like geometry" mirrors the "Perfect Skin" line of "She's got cheekbones like geometry and eyes like sin / and she's sexually enlightened by 'Cosmopolitan' / she's got perfect skin..."

Love that song.

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Saturday, 3 April 2004 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i am so confused by this: Ugly dudes can date pretty girls.

In my experience at art school (which I suppose is a slightly different thing than the music crit world), I would see girls that I thought were either plain or not particularly attractive date fantastically good looking men all of the time, but I can think of very very very few examples from my own anecdotal experience of very attractive girls dating unattractive men (unless I count the handful of relationships I've ever been in.)

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 3 April 2004 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Sparks, unsurprisingly, have dealt with the matter on their last album:

Ugly guys with beautiful girls
You always know what the story is.
Beautiful girls with ugly guys
What do they take us for anyway?
What do they take us for anyway?

Ugly guys with beautiful girls
Ugly guys with beautiful girls

As they walk down the street arm in arm, I see
them and once again feel the need to ask
myself the question, the question that has
weighed heavily on me of late. How is it
possible that a guy and a girl so dissimilar
in physical appearance, there being such a
disparity in how attractive each is, be nonetheless
in what would appear to be some sort of relationship?

It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.
It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.
It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.

Ugly guys with beautiful girls
Ugly guys with beautiful girls
Ugly guys with beautiful girls

How do we explain this? An attraction of
opposites? No, that theory has been refuted
by many experts in the fields of human psychology.
A much greater attraction seems to come from
one more similar to oneself. Personality, perhaps?
Without intending to sound judgmental, I would
say that he doesn't look like what was once called
a "live wire" or "the life of the party." He appears
rather expressionless. His movements are stiff
and even awkward. Perhaps he is a person of
some intellect-an expert in science, the arts, political
theory. No , I think not. See how well tailored his
clothes are, how well cut his hair is.

It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.
It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.
It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.

Ugly guys with beautiful girls
Ugly guys with beautiful girls
Ugly guys with beautiful girls
(Ugly Guys With Beautiful Girls con't.)

I must confess to you, my listeners, that I have been
a little less than honest in pretending I had no answers
to my previous questions. You see, I lost someone
very dear to me, someone very beautiful, to someone
much like him.

Ah, you ask, surely there must have been other areas
where you were deficient and he was not. No, I don't
believe so. My shortcomings were of an economic nature.
He was rich. I was not.

You see, I underestimated the appeal to her of things---
imported things on wheels, large things with manicured
lawns and Olympic swimming pools, things to wear around
her neck that would glisten in the night light. Things. Still,
I am not bitter. Rather, I am an observer who saw first
hand how life may not be fair. Would things have turned
out differently between me and her had I moved up the
corporate ladder quicker, been born of more noble stock,
or done better on one of our journeys to Las Vegas?
Perhaps. In fact, I'm certain of it. Things would have turned
out differently between me and her. I know this now. It ain't
done with smoke and mirrors.

Ugly guys with beautiful girls.
You always know what the story is.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I suppose the "pretty women out walking with gorillas" phenomenon (yes now I'm intentionally quoting Joe Jackson), must be largely a New York thing (particularly the Vice magazine types with ugly porn star mustaches), though I see it here in Philly quite a bit.

The "cheekbones like geometry" line was something I saw on a Friendster profile of an incredibly gorgeous girlfriend of a semi-attractive (at least to me) rock critic. And it's not the case of a very flattering thumbnail. I've seen her in person. And it just made me think, "Why do I bother trying to be smart, funny, endearing, having great hair and wearing cool dresses from 1966?" Another former male friend of mine used to lecture me on how cheekbones aren't important to men, but since then, has dated a succession of tall skinny size zeros with all lines and no curves.

The thing is, for all the men I've met who say they'd pick Jeanine Garofolo over Uma Thurman in The Truth About Cats and Dogs, when given the choice in real life, they pick Uma Thurman. And me? I prefer Buddy Holly to Elvis, Topher Grace to Ashton Kutcher, Roger Taylor to John Taylor, John Cusack to Tom Cruise. So this has been my dilemma for all of my dating life. I can't date or even be friends with the guys that I have the most in common with. Hence, me and the hotel concierge working that whole opposites attract thing, plus my posse of cool girlfriends and gay boyfriends.

Sara Sherr, Saturday, 3 April 2004 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

amazing, ned, I actually posted that yesterday, or tried to, but then accidently quit my web broswer not realizing instead of posting it was telling me there were new posts! When sparks performed that last year in central park, Ron walking around arm in arm with a sterotypical blonde bombshell. Genius.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 3 April 2004 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)

That sounds like something he'd do. I'll be seeing them in a week's time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm from NY! I must be missing all the action.

Sara, have heart. Not all men are like that, and you're better off not dating the ones overly hung up on body type, especially if you don't meet their ridiculous standards.

And you're totally right about Topher Grace. You'd better watch out for those John Cusacks though, cos those seem like exactly the type of men to watch out for.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 3 April 2004 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, I think both Topher Grace and Ashton Kutcher are hott, and I'm not even gay.

Yeah, word on the street in Chicago here is that Cusack is supposedly sleeeezy IRL.

jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 4 April 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe that explains his last 500 crappy movies, but I'm just grasping at straws

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Sunday, 4 April 2004 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Women Cusack is seen with in movies rarely resemble his fans.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 4 April 2004 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

>I met Tom Savini at the Fangoria Weekend of Horror once.

My geekiest moment ever: I was at the Fangoria Weekend of Horrors one year, talking to Tom Savini and having him autograph my copy of his makeup how-to book. Afterward, my dad mentioned that I'd been standing next to Elvira the whole time, and hadn't even noticed.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 4 April 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I can think of very very very few examples from my own anecdotal experience of very attractive girls dating unattractive men (unless I count the handful of relationships I've ever been in.)

Just so you all know, all the women I have dated have been phenomenally attractive too.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Sunday, 4 April 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

How come no one has mentioned Mr. Sherburne until now?

I'm with Sara, as I'm attracted to the cute, neurotic types and they always seem to be dating tall, boney blondes. Perhaps I'm too much like them, like a sister or something. I do know more than a few cute, smart femme academic/critic types. Many of would them agree with me (um, if I may speak for them). We talk about it a lot.

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Sunday, 4 April 2004 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I am sure I'm not alone in preferring short not-boney not blondes? LIke my sister said when we were in Krakow..."you like those little Enid Coleslaw types..."

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i still find all this amazingly baffling.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

not just the individual taste thing, but this idea that scrawny/fat/balding/geeky/cockeyed/bucktoothed/knockkneed/delete as necessary guys are all out dating these bronzed goddesses

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:49 (twenty-two years ago)

this will teach me to doubt mc skat kat ever again, i suppose

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Two dimensions vs. three.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:51 (twenty-two years ago)

it aint fiction just a natural fact, ned

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

bronzed?

mullygrubber (gaz), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:53 (twenty-two years ago)

gooooooooldfiiiiingaaaaah

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with what Anthony Miccio said about Cusack. I think I'm more in love with Cusack's character's than him, but High Fidelity drove me insane. Record nerd with blond/bland woman. And none of the chicks in that movie know anything about music!

Sara Sherr, Monday, 5 April 2004 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Well c'mon, it was based on a Nick Hornby novel. In his universe, women exist to look befuddled when men obsess over things. What they do when they are not in the room with the men is a mystery.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

my mother described my taste in women the other night as "you like short girls with bad black dye jobs and huge asses." so she HAS been paying attention to me all these years.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

She's been paying attention to certain people's asses, you mean.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, the dye jobs too.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

so then i said kiss MY assets

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I am sure I'm not alone in preferring short not-boney not blondes?

Aha! So according to this law of the universe, as a not-bony blonde I am therefore repulsive to the sort of guy I want to attract. *ponders what color to dye hair*

j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)

this is all academic for me at this point anyway

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

You are teaching a class on this sort of thing?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

oh man think about the lardy college tail i'd be pulling then

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

"that's DOCTOR hulkington, my dear. would you like to see my etchings?"

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"Ooooh Professor Hulkington is soooo dreamy."

Chunky College Chick (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

he understands us so much better than that crusty old dean

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

"Did you hear what he said about Tha G Code being better than 3 Feet High and Rising?!?!? He's so smart too."

Pasty Dyed Hair College Chick (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

haha suck my ass alex

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

and now to sew leather patches on the elbows of my jacket

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahaha this'll be just like the scenes from the beginning of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

hahaha

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

god i need to get laid

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Instead of an apple on the desk they'll leave Jess a stack of live Kompakt mix CDRs.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm now beginning to understand why strongo left the pnw. I'm also beginning to be baffled by same.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

always torn!!

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

"why must i hate what i love that i hate but i love?"

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

haha The Gold Experience to thread!

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Sing "Dolphin" with me now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i couldn't be more pleased with the way this thread has turned out

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

btw my spin column starts next month

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)


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