Jay Z/ Nas and other hiphop throwdowns...resurrected. Part 4

still i think that its sorta utopian to ask that we eliminiate "the real" from pop and its discourse. i mean it seems to be the only thing pop is about. i mean doesn't arguing about "real" map onto arguing about "real hip-hop" map onto arguing about GENRE boundaries which I thought we agreed was part of the vital life of music in the FIRST PLACE?

Which I wasn't suggesting that we do. Sorry Sterling, you're one of the brightest men on here, but I can't think of a more boring response to what I wrote than to decide that I'm saying that "the real" is a construct and that "the real" should be eliminated from pop and its discourse. O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be that subjects you to interminable irrelevant talk about the real being a social construct.

All I got to say is I PUT Y'ALL NIGGAS UP ON JADAKISS!

I was gonna try and read everyone who posted, but I got bored so I'll go to three of the topics I saw...

Whoever said they wanted to spit, I say... SPIT! If you seen any of the earlier shit from Bob or even Squirrel Police, you can easily do better than that. In fact, watch me: "I'm a poet, bout to show it, don't you know it?" See? Thanks to Boob and Squirlplise, that's not the worse line spat!

Now, let's not even get to our favorite MCs! Dammit, my PERSONAL list would go 2Pac, Pimp C of UGK, Big Boi of Outkast, Andre "Ice Cold" 3000, and Juicy J of Three 6. But that's DA SOUTH in me. If I had to list the top five MCs UNBIASED it would go 2Pac, BIG, Eminem, Jay-Z, and Outkast. But tell the truth, A3K fucks it up on "Hey Ya!" You know you like it.

Finally, 50 Cent's album is nice. Like 3:16 (U Never Imagined This Evil Dilemma... my neezy), I agree it's at least 60% production - it's Dre, dammit - but 50 still be havin me rollin. He's nice, definitely nowhere near Pac or Big or even Jay-Z, and sellin like crazy. And simply, his album is just mad nice. Mad nice.

All right, I'm gone.

I'm out like part 1, 2, and... oops, my bad 3:16... Peace!

'i don't like much rap
except dmx because
he's kind of a goth'

Yo, trife, cousin, I gotta admit that Lil Flip is hilarious. And Pastor Troy do come out with a few songs I like. But Troy sucks. His whole career was built off dissin No Limit for absolutely no reason other than to make a name for himself. He even said that was why! How gay is that? TI has very nice CD. Rubber Band Man is my cut. But on King of Da South he says, "Ain't but 5 rappers bustin out Atlanta and I'm one of em." Who are the other 5? One has to be Outkast. So that would leave 3 and there are many other Atlanta artists.

DMX's first CD was extremely nice. I think with all the BIG/Jay-Z/Nas Illmatic/Reasonable Doubt/Ready to Die is a classic first album, DMX gets lost in the midst. It's Dark is quite frankly better than Illmatic and Ready to Die COMBINED if you ask me and it is better than Reasonable Doubt, even though RD is mad nice. But I think Earl will never match It's Dark cause he came out too hard for any of his other albums to come close.

All right, I'm gone.

I'm out like Styles run. Peace!

(Yall know that line is wrong, it's just wrong! I appologize to Cookie [Magic Johnson's wife] :P)

What's good people? Glad to be back. Let me address a few topics...

I won't even go there with Hillis saying "It's dark & Hell is Hot" is better than Ready To Die, RD & Illmatic combined!! You must really wanted to get a rise out of someone to say that. Cause I know you honestly don't think that. It's Dark is a great album, but I strongly disagree with it being better then RD, Ready To Die & Illmatic combined.

This 50 Cent craze that sweaped the nation didn't surprise me one bit. I think Star from the Star & Bucwild show said it best. There is a reason the nigga got a Million Dollar contract. the Eminem Connection helped him pushed units. Along to coincide with that, was the fact middle America is intrigued with his story, suburbia wants to be like him. The beef with Ja Rule arising to commercialism. Then lets not forget his loyal following in the Underground scene since 1999. It all calculated to him being the next big thing. But what surprised me was his work ethic after the album success. He's been blazing up the airwaves along with the Underground at the same time. I'm not a true fan of him necessarily. But I did like "Power Of The Dollar," also a few joints off of "50 Cent Is The Future" & "No Mercy, No Fear" ... funny stuff in there. I'm kinda past the whole thing with 50 being the next big thing. Now I'm Patiently Waiting on his nigga Lloyd Banks to drop his solo album. IMHO, I think he's better then 50 Cent and outshines him on 80% of the tracks they have done together. Sooner or later I see Lloyd breaking out from them. I've already heard they have had fights backstage, and in the studio. It's just a matter of time before the other G-Unit members will realize he's batter, then they will want him out.

You guys have probably heard or seen Cassidy beat the shit in that (Pre-Write) battle against Freeway. I know a whole bunch of niggas ain't sleeping on him now since that battle. But I have a feeling his destine to be that next nigga. Not like a 50 Cent or a Jay-z, but more of a gutter success like Jadakiss or Styles P. He has Swizz on the boards backing him up. He has a hot bed of RR talent waiting to blaze a track up with him. He's proved he can rhyme already. It's just to him to convert himself from a punchline rapper to rapper who can handle it in the booth. A lot of niggas can rap, but they can't be professional in the booth. But I got my eye on him.

Finally, I'm proud to see at least a few regulars back here. Maybe there is a second run in store for the "Hip-Hop Throwdown" ...We can't call it the "Jay-z vs. Nas Hip-Hop Throwdown" anymore. I feel we have grown out of that converse, I consider this a community more so than a single topic. We are more than just battles & disses... WE ARE HIP-HOP.

50s underground mixes just keep gettin bigger and bigger, his last one had more famous guests than his actual album, luda, neptunes, sean paul... whats he doin?? i agree lloyd banks is a tight mc but i dont know if hes got the star power of his g unit leader... as for 50 he should just release a best of from all his mixes as a major label release, it would be killin most rappers albums out right now.

cassidy seems aight so far, not great yet but i think hes got something, i just started another thread on ilxor.com about his song with jada and im feelin both their verses hard plus the beat is niiiice. still havent heard his battle with freeway but id believe he won it, freeway is kinda a pussy rapper, he tries to be ghost with distressed vocal shit and i like him sometimes but hes not the greatest battle mc. i think its time for more street talent in the game, styles p isnt that gully though lately hes more on a pop tip with that i get high like hippies afroman type shit!! i was feeling his song with kim though, nice verse. and cass is a good at punchlines but hes still not on jadas level, remember his verse on the lox song 'recognize' where he comes with one just classic line after another:

'aint none of yall better than lox / have all yall dressed up in a suit dead in a box / me and my niggas get redder than foxx / i dont care if i love you, still want head of the drop / niggas runnin round talkin that y2k shit / crackheads still gon want that gray shit / thats why ima always cop the yay quick / so i suggest all of yall stay on jay dick / too hard for mtv, not black enough for bet, just let me be / gimme all my royalty money and let me greed / ima have hoes for six, and hash for three'

aight im done! man thats a long post, i dont got a real sign-off yet like most of yall do, what should i come up with?? let me try one... yo im gone like b from jiggas arm after the black album drops!!! that was corny... peace yall

i'm from the hood where the dropouts is banging for the feeling
for houses with tvs hanging from the ceilings
we gamble on ball courts
keep the paint peeling
you either play ball or rap if you ain't dealing
i'm stuck in the past
shit changed since the 80s
i know ladies, that got babies with babies
out here its basketball and speedbags
and guns that'll stiffen you up like freeze tag

niggas know I'm hot
but my ice cold enough to freeze whole towns
still follow the code: gs up, hoes down
i see you ballin and your rocks is chilly
now, my g-unit niggas dont ride bikes that don't pop a wheelie
i aint straight 'til i'm livin where it's hot and sandy
and the benz's complexion is cotton candy
i bounced up, here's the best part
you niggas don't know what pain is
the only scar on your body's a stretch mark

i like that. but he doesn't have the charisma and the delivery. 50 and tony aren't as good at the kind of stuff that lloyd does but i'd rather hear them. and he definitely never outshines them!

DK, did you buy that new Lloyd Banks album "Mo Money In The Bank" last week? If not, you need to get that cause you'll be convince the dude is better than 50. Ever since 50 took that bullet to the face he's kinda lost his delivery is off too. And for some dumb reason he seems to be rapping high pitched with his voice when he raps now on some parts of the song. I got that freestyle he did on Hot97 with him, Buck & Banks. He just kept jumping off the High-Hat of the beat and started doing this light voice delivery on the record. It threw him way off the beat plus it sounded gay. 50 is too goofy right now to be taken really serious, Lloyd is still hungry. You are right, 50 will still be the most successful, but Lloyd is where its at.

Trife, don't get it twisted. I ain't saying Cass got anything on Jada (Cause we know Jada still got it). I'm just saying the dude has potential like a Jadakiss or a Styles P. Their career paths are almost parallels with Jada spawning from the Lox, and Cass coming from Larceny. Then their style is similar, but Jada is still running things as far as punchlines. But Cass is making noise too. Also by the way, not only did Cass beat Freeway in that battle, but he had the dude sounding like he was crying, it was hilarious! Since we are on the subject of young rappers. I wonder how do yall feel about Team Arliss? I got mixed feelings about them, but I think D-Block will mold them into some real stars. I like their freestyles, but I hear a lot of people dissing them saying they are shitty.

By the way any of you want that Freestyle with G-Unit on Hot 97 (50 also disses Lil' Kim in there). Or if you want both parts of the Freestyle battle between Cassidy & Freeway, holla at me. I'm at [email protected], the files are compressed down to a very small MP3 file size. I enhanced the G-Unit Freestyle since it was taped off the radio. So it's probably the best quality you'll find on the net. Anyways I'm out people.

Let me clear up a misunderstanding. I think that It's Dark is only better than Ready to Die and Illmatic combined. And I'm not tryin to provoke nobody with that statement. Come on, now. If I wanted to provoke people it would be very clear. Y'all know me. I only like 2 cuts on Illmatic and 3 on Ready to Die. Now Reasonable Doubt is real nice. I think It's Dark is better but not by as much. If we added the few songs I like on Ill and R2D plus Reasonable Doubt, then they're all better than It's Dark, true. But Ready to Die is weak and Illmatic is even weaker in my opinion.

HOW BOUT THEM VOLS???!!! H*WOOD, where's all the FLA talk now???!!!

LMAO @ Freeway sounds like he's crying... I thought he made that feelin music? lol

P.S. Scared of blood like Magic's wife... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

I'm out like the Gators. Peace!

hillis, man, what joints on ready to die and illmatic are you feelin? when i listen to either i only skip maybe one track on each, 'respect' on bigs cd and sometimes 'one time 4 your mind' on nas. seriously , only three good cuts on ready to die?? shit, what about 'warning', 'one more chance', 'big poppa', 'juicy', 'unbelieveable', thats just the singles!! then you got classic album tracks like 'me & my bitch', 'the what', and 'things done changed', and same thing for the nas cd, you got to explain your shit man! its dark and hell is hot has like five or six ok songs and the rest is wack, dont tell me you ever really want to play 'ruff ryders anthem' again?? i can only really listen to 'for my dogs' and 'x is coming', thats it. speaking of for my dogs any of yall heard the new drag-on shit, i always thought he was nice on that and i copped this new ruff ryders promo cd called 'south beach' with all songs from his upcoming cd plus some other wack new mcs and that jin song from 2 fast 2 furious... anyway i was never feeling drag before, i liked his song 'fireman' on cradle 2 the grave but i didnt know he was doin a bunch of shit that was all crazy like that but his new songs are TIGHT, drag comes with nicer lyrics than i ever heard from him before and the beats are all wild, if its got all the songs i heard already on it his cd is gonna be one of the best of the year.

im gonna end with a song i bet yall slept on, two verses from '5 seconds' off the roscoe cd :

a stack of doe with some doe doe to roll fat
im a top notch nigga, handle a cock grippa
cut your arm off to get to the watch quicka
not tryin to do it all, cant see juvie hall
too many booty calls my nigga, duty calls
im used to ditching classes roamin through the halls
i run wit the young assassins, thats where i belong

im scopin so many sheep in wolves clothin, it's pitiful
analyze the situation, hypocritical, cynical criminals indespicable individuals
supplyin the heat rock bumpin through yo digital
whenever you dippin through the ghetto
whippin the six two chevy, blowin heavy, goin seventy
wit one hand on the steering wheel tryin to hold it steady
hittin the switch
cuz only dogg pound gangstas
can spit it like this

ok im out like q tip when he does his primetime barbara walters special next year, just wait!! man, corny again hahaha....

As far as this 50 thing, I keep hearing "How To Rob" getting mentioned. You guys maybe never caught on to his unreleased album "Power of The Dollar" but that is probably the best work 50 has ever done, but yet to never get released. I feel it is better than "Get Rich..." actually I would say Trackmasters did a better job in production than Em, Sha Money, Dre & Megahertz COMBINED! Get Rich was really just a goofy song, but that is a far cry from what's on the album. I mean he had Destiny's Child singing about thug love on that album?? That has to get a few spins! LOL. I'm gonna drop my E-mail once again by yall to get a little sample of what I am talking about: [email protected]
If you not feeling it, then I'll leave it alone.

About this thing with 50 dissing Lil' Kim. All he did Qool, was freestyle saying he wrote Magic Stick, and made it a hit. And said why should he care about her emotions for not doing the video, and said and I quote: "Why should I care about your emotions Your not my bitch!" That was pretty much just his night to diss everyone. He went at Shyne, A-Team & Lil Kim... I'm wondering how can a nigga get in a beef with someone in jail??? He would have continued to diss her and the others, but Funkmaster Flex's dumb ass didn't want him to diss Lil Kim which he considers a friend. He was talking about trying to keep things peaceful and shit... but this is the same nigga who beat the shit out of Steph Lova outside the studio. As if his fat ass was threatened by a female! Whatever.

Hillis, I ain't gonna lie Tennessee played a good game against Florida. But Chris leak & Andre Caldwell (Brother of Reche) is gonna run all over the SEC in a few years. Besides that point I still got Florida State & Miami to root for. When all three go down, I'll just duck & hide from you, LOL!

That line is from Juicy. I like hearin that because when I first heard it, I thought he said, "Super dick in your Sega Genesis" and all my peeps clowned me! Ahh... memories...

But anyway, I hate Juicy as a song. I think it's just a little TOO soft. Not that all songs gotta be murder, kill a beeytch, slap a nigga, drugs here and there, etc. but Juicy was just horrible to me. On Ready to Die, the only cuts I like are The What, Warning, and Big Poppa. I tried to get into a lot of the cuts and "force" myself to like Big Poppa and Gimme the Loot, and all the others, but I just couldn't do it. The WHat and Warning are classics and I think I may be judging the album by Life after Death too much. Now as far as Illmatic goes, I'm just not feelin it. Never was, maybe never will. Right now, I only like The World is Yours and It Ain't Hard to Tell. Now in time, I have found that any random track or album may grow on me. But R2D and Ill haven't done that yet.

All right, I'm gone.

I'm out like the Redskins were after OT. Peace!

I said one of the cuts I tried to force myself to listen to was Big Poppa. I meant One More Chance.

I'm out like typos. Peace!

One of the best lines right now by my boy, Jada:
When it comes to beef, you don't wanna do nothin' but cook.

Nigga, I put you up on that Kiss verse!

I'm out like "he" when beef is more than just cooking. Peace!

to keep up the HIPHOP THROWDOWNS shit in the title, anybody heard that dre verse dissing ja on the new obie trice? the joints called 'shit hits the fan', dre speaks on the shady/murder inc beef:

tell you to suck my dick while im pissin
dont even listen to your shit to know who the fuck im dissin
the media just feeds into these feuds
tryin to add fuel to the fire, this lil nigga ja rule
talkin bout he gon slap me, nigga please
you gotta jump and swing up to hit me in the knees
i laugh at these magazines when they interview em
all they doin is making fake threats to us through em
and pussy, you not pac, i knew him
pac was a real nigga, you just a fuckin insult to him
its too bad we had to fall out before he passed
if he could see this shit now hed be whoopin your ass

damn!!!! im out

Ok, ok, ok, Trife, maybe "soft" wasn't the word I should have used. It's not so much the lyrics or the topic of Juicy that I found soft. It was the beat that was too soft. It just didn't seem to match the tough times he was talkin about. The beat was all soft and gushy and they was singing all perky and he was rappin about struggles. And even though he does say it's still all good and don't let em hold you down and reach for the stars, the beat just didn't seem like it matched. Something with more soul might have been better. Like the beat for Everyday Struggles seemed more appropriate - even though I don't like that song either. My main beef with Ready to Die was Biggie's high delivery and the production was wack. Apart from The What and Warning, everything lacked. And I like Big Poppa simply because it reminds me of high school. And Gimme the Loot is at best "aiight." At best.

Now, your Hey Ya comment kind of leads into my point for postin - Outkast's new double disc. Yeah, Hey Ya is definitely soft, but it's silly and funny and I think the song is SUPPOSED to be soft. But more importantly, Qool said The Wash Post bashed Speakerboxxx/The Love Below...

Well, their review is not surprising. When I first heard Andre's disc, I was livid. The first few tracks of singing I found amusing. But the more I listened, so I was like, "I know this nigga ain't finna sing for 20 tracks!" - even though I knew he was. So after about track 16 I took his CD out in disgust. I like Outkast as rappers! Andre ain't Luther or Teddy! So I threw on Big Boi's CD and found comfort in the Outkast I knew and remembered. I like numerous tracks on there, including (but not limited to) Unhappy, Way You Move, Ghettomuzik, and some others I can't remember the name to.

So I told my review to a few of my boys who are fans like me, and they said they were actually feelin Andre's CD more! I told them I know Andre is off the wall but I could dig his CD more if he rapped at least once or twice. But they told me that Andre does actually rap a few times, so I gave his CD a relisten. I knew that I was gonna have to be in a certain mood to accept Andre's disc and I was finally in it. I must say that the last track ("Incomplete") he does rap and it's tight as hell. There are songs where he does sing and I must admit, even though he ain't Jaheim or Genuwine, they are tight. Happy Valentine's Day and Prototype are my cuts. Roses features Big Boi and it's tight. So I'm diggin both CDs. I'd say if this was one CD, I'd probably say it was 4 1/2 or 5 mics. But as a double disc, I have to add in the cuts I don't feel and give it 4. Of course, who knows? Maybe some more tracks will grow on me and I can force myself to like some others! lol

I read a review of the album that kind of put these discs into proper perspective. It said that this was a chance for both MCs to explore, and more specifically, Andre to go buck wild. It also makes you realize that even though they could succeed on their own, the two of them together is a sight to behold and something I appreciate now even more than I already did.

Now, for you "non Outkast fans" (i.e. Qool and the other three MORONS in the entire world) if one was trying to first give Outkast a listen, this is definitely not the album to do it. I would recommend Aquemini or Southernplayalisticadillacmusik. You have to already be fans of Outkast to appreciate this album. As artists, I think that Outkast makes a strong, and generally successful, attempt at raising the bar and expanding their horizons. Southerplayalistic was a 5 mic classic in EVERY Southerner's opinion and probably the hip hop world in general. Personally, it had everything I look for in an album and on every track. The production is superb, the lyrics are nice, and the skits are classic. Ain't a cat in DA SOUTH who doesn't know where "What? A sack? Nigga, sack deez!" came from. That might be the funniest skit ever - even better than the Madd Rapper on Big's or when Big explains how he shitted on some bitch. But even on Southerplayalistic you could sense Andre brewin up somethin. ATLiens came out and that's a classic, too. At least in DA SOUTH. Big Boi kept it pimp and funk, whereas Andre gave more signs of wildin out. So enter Aquemini. ANOTHER classic, no ifs, ands, or buts. It was wild for 1999 and southern rap but we still can dig it cause they kept the same funk and soul in their beats and music that we, especially as black people, seem to connect to. Now Stankonia went way off the charts and off the wall, especially Bombs Over Baghdad. This when you knew Andre was on some other shit and knew that the next album he was gonna lose his mind - which he did. But Stankonia had many tight cuts (So Fresh So Clean, Gangsta Shit, Call Before I Come, Slum Beautiful) and many funny skits ("spill it, girl, spill it"). So this new album with Andre 3000 goin to Pluto and beyond is no real surprise. As fans, we expect it, accept it, find what we like, move on, and wait for the next classic. But whoever may have reviewed it in the Post may not be fans like 99% of the hip hop world. Of course, it is the WASHINGTON Post, so who gives a rat's ass? Bamma ass DC music reviews...

"Sterl, you should hook up with other C-Bo fan and you two can discuss it..." - Trife

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

I'm out like non Outkast fans. Peace!

one more thing: i've heard very little lloyd banks really so if i'm talking crap then feel free to ignore me.

What up What up, WHazzup!? It's the J-D-O-L-O with that keelo flow! Qoolout thanks for the headsup on the continuing of the most banging thread in history. This thread vet is still alive. Nas vs Jay-z & other HipHop throwdowns...ummmmm. Just got interesting with 50 vs Ja Rule....Hip Hop news....Ya know I'm from CT, but,50 cent just bought a mansion in Farmington Ct (small ass town), just 20 minutes from Waterbury aka "Dirty Waters", from whom? Mike Tyson's ex-wifey who got the mansion as part of the divorce settlement years back. Tyson ex-wifey sold it to ol' Curtis Jackson for a cool mil (Tyson bought it for 3.5 mil). CT was starting to get on the map the last couple of years with stars coming through (And 1 included)! Now with 50 as a Ct resident paying CT taxes (Highest in the whole nation), CT is now officially gully. And it's not far from NYC. 50 let me the first to welcome you to the constituion state.

What up Hillis 3K!? Remember those battles between you, me and qoolout? Who was that dude Squirrel Police!? (LOL). 3:16 what up kid!? (What?). And H-Wood what up?!. What else?

Lloyd Banks got skills, period. I can say a favorite Banks line all day but it will take up a whole thread. Punchlines are just ridiculous.

All-First rookie squad (Banks, J-Hood, Juelz Santana, Joe Buddens, Cassidy and Young Chris).

Ja-Rule, stop biting Pac's identity.

Irv Gotti, YOU ARE NOT SUGE so stop trying.

What's up with Source dedicating a whole issue trying to ruin 50/Aftermath/Shady. XXL is da shit!!

Sheek's new album: Sleeper album of the year (Phat tape that will get critically acclaimed but slept on by the masses.

Minesota Timbos got the squad.

One more thing......It's all about D-Block (Two guns up) One!!

First off, it's "sunned." Second, who is John Walker Lindh? Third, don't be on some wanna be The Best shit like that... lol

Second, I did NOT "almost" admit anything, Foolout! I said I was pissed because I thought Andre 3000 was singing on every song and did no rapping. For example, if Jadakiss came out with his next CD and you were sampling through and all Kiss did was sing, you'd probably be disappointed at first because you like it when Kiss spits mad nice lines and not his singing ability, or lack thereof. Now, the CD itself might not be bad at all, but that still wouldn't affect your initial reaction. See, you always gettin carried ass bamma, I was livid because I thought he ddn't rap none, because I like Outkast as rappers. I hadn't actually listened to the whole CD, so how could I say it suck? MORON! And So Fresh So Clean had no point... what's yours? The song was still tight. And even though Kiss is talented, don't act like he comes out with a new topic with every verse. EVERY Kiss verse is about how tough D-Block is or how gutter Kiss is. EVERY verse. He's just mad nice when he does it. But on a side note, that Mighty D-Block song by Sheek is tight. And I haven't heard much about Jae Hood, but he's tight on that song.

And the Redskins run the NFC East??? Negro, they lost to the only NFC East team they played! They beat the Vickless Falcons and the 0-4 Jets. Whoop dee damn doo. And New England ain't all that impressive, either. You're guaranteed to lose to Dallas at least once (as usual, like clockwork, etc). New York came to DC and beat you, so they'll probably do the same in NY. And you haven't faced the new and improved McNabb and Eagles. Tell Lavuerneus Coleslaw and Co they can feast on the wack teams of the NFL all they want, they still won't make no noise on the playoff scene.

What up J-Dolo?! Dirty Waters, huh? D-Water Block! Dirt set, Dirt set, Dirt set, Dirt set, Dirt set... But, really, that Santana Town video and song suck. Anyway, it's good to have another vet back.

Enough knowledge dropped, I'm gone.

I'm out like the future 7-9 Redskins. Peace!

I just like to say I like OutKast, and each record they have put out has been solid. I'm not particularly a fan South Rap, but OutKast is the one group that has my respect. The next would be Scarface & Bun B from UGK. I really got into them a little bit after Midnight Marauders by ATCQ. At that point we saw the boom of Gangster Rap. That was when I picked up "Southernplaylistc..." it was an album you could vibe too. It wasn't all Kill, Kill, Kill! which sometimes you need to step out of that mode of rap and just relax and listen to the sounds. I liked the fact OutKast used a lot of acoustic bass in their music. I appreciate this era of music cause the instruments used were more detailed. Instead of a beat machine its like 36 Mafia uses, or Just Blaze butchering great jazz song with speeding the voice up. The production was more balanced to accompany the voice. Dre's eccentric rhymes makes him more indivisual with his music, and can leave a greater impression on a song than your typical rapper. Cause every nigga can rap (Chingy is proof of that), but can they make music. I think OutKast has done that on a consistent basis. Next to A Tribe Called Quest they make the best Radio friendly music. Yeah sometimes it doesn't make sense, but the whole premise is to have fun with it. Thought provoking rhymes are good for radio too, but sometimes people need wild out. OutKast does that.

By the way John Walker Lindh was the fool who joined the Taliban. I think he is being charged for treason. Also how dare you trash the name of "Lavern & Shirely Coles???" only I can do that. I love the dude cause he's FSU blood, but that name is very gay. Maybe not as much as Ashley Leile, but still pretty gay.

Anyways I'm out!

Santana made my list because he, just like the others, have skills and he's making noise right now the NYC(Mecca of hiphop) and beyond. They all have that potential to be some of the nicest in years to come, as Jay-z and Nas and all the great one have had: potential to change the game. But at the same time, just like everything else in life, potential doesnt necessarily equal success, or even critically acclaimed. Look how we all salivated when we heard a Young Bleek rap for the first time (And we all were dont try to front now)and Hova even went so far as to annoint him as the next great one in rap. Now what do you think of him? My point exactly. But maybe Jay-z annointed him too soon, but Hova saw something in him that made him say that (And we saw something in him too but are too proud to admit that now). But Bleek did go gold and second did go platinum, but it does help to have Jay-z, ja-Rule, and Beans on alot of the joints, and we still see him as an average rapper who really didn't get THAT much better with age. And I think Santana was better than Bleek was at that age. Cannibus was probably THE most HYPED RAPPER in history (Dude had Lebron-type hype in the mixtape and overall hiphop scene) and look what happened. Where is he now? Probably over at Iraq somewhere or something. Well I gotta go. Peace out to the original thread vets as well as the newbies.

As for this bamma Hillis (that's right, you get your very own paragraph). We ( the mighty mighty Redskins) have the best record in the NFC East(997) dummy. Thus, we run the NFC East. It doesn't matter who we lost to. As of this date, right now, we have the best record in the entire division. And that my friend is your first lesson in football 101. If you got a better record than the other clowns in the NFC East, you are at the top, even if them clowns got lucky and beat you. Your next lesson is that L. Coles is ripping new holes and maybe you didn't know that since you can't see the entire games down THEAH, but when the playoffs kick off, you'll see him, primetime live on TV. And I wasn't saying Jada has a moral everytime he spits, but at least I can come away from the song and say "Kiss was talking about the hood," or "Kiss was spittin' about gettin' money" or "how he grew up" or etc. Now can you please tell me what did you get from "So fresh and Clean?" And then tell me what you got from "Everybody move to the back of the bus." Look, I'm not knocking them, well I kinda am, but I'm not saying you can't like them, I was just asking "WHY?!?" Just like Missy fans. When it comes to Missy and rapping, she sucks so I want to know why peeps like her. That's all. Now leave me alone before I SUNkiss you like the soda (Beans).

Thanks J-Dolo, I almost bought Sheek's cd twice. The last time I even got in line with it until cuz told me it was 15 bucks. Now I have an excuse to get it, but if it's as bad as Style's, I'm coming to CT with bad intentions. Oh yeah, I heard this joint with Kiss today, but the DJ ain't play all of it so I don't know what song it was. Somebody let me know; I think it might be the one Hillis was speaking on eariler. Jada says, And my crack is two tone/ but I had to switch up my spot cause it became a drug free school zone. Lastly, Jae Hood is by far my first round pick; I just hope cuz don't let me down like Bleek. But I did like Bleek on "Is that your Chick?" Yeah, I know Missy was on there too. Oh yeah, one more thing. There was a discussions going on here and I wanna ask y'all. Who is better R. Moss or T. Owens? I like Randy's game a lil bit more, but I really don't know whose better.