― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link
You sure about that? I think these guys would disagree:
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― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― nader (nader), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link
Also, their sound is quirky, but generally pretty accsessable ("Malpractice", "Cukkoo For Caca" etc. aside). They're not Mr. Bungle, who could certainly never make it huge.
― Wooden, Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kim, Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Wooden, Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kim, Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:36 (nineteen years ago) link
"Epic," "Midlife Crisis" and "Book Of The Month" are faves of what he's done that I've heard. There's plenty I haven't.
"Falling To Pieces" is totally the dawn of Korn, ya know.
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:40 (nineteen years ago) link
Korn weren't a copy of Faith No More, but it's hard to imagine Korn existing without their influence.
I actually like Faith No More, James is right that they didn't have one sound. Angel Dust is a good album!
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:41 (nineteen years ago) link
OTFM, Anthony.
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:43 (nineteen years ago) link
Plus they did some country.
― Wooden, Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:52 (nineteen years ago) link
but they DIDN'T alienate the market!!! when you turn on the mainstream alt-rock station and they're playing a song off Angel Dust or Real Thing or even the earlier incarnation with the other lead singer who did that song "We Care A Lot", dude, Jimbo, they were mainstream!!! Just because they ventured outside of one style and watered it down with bits of other styles, that does NOT make them innovative or even interesting!!! I'm glad you bought up Patton's back catalog, really, but what exactly is the argument here??!? They were a mainstream act with a few quirks (like that wacky Shania Twain who mixes country AND soft rock) who dabbled in a few styles. They got as much respect, radio airplay, and album sales as they deserved. And I don't want to hear another fucking word about it!!!
― Kim, Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link
"Epic" was fucking weird for that era, and it became a huge phenomenon because of how absolutely different it was from everything else.
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:15 (nineteen years ago) link
Or am I just out of my fucking mind?
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:16 (nineteen years ago) link
Have you read the lyric sheet? Hmmm? Little kids could write better crap. And you make it seem as there were only two kids of 'metal' bands at the time. How about Suicidal Tendencies; they were metal/punk and then you have your Living Colour (and the Black Rock Coalition bands) and if you want to go way back, how about Run DMC and Aerosmith? A rap/metal song. Sound familiar? What about Grindcore or Death Metal? Metal didn't have it's sub-genres? My god, if you want to believe that Faith No Fucking More were innovative, fine. But I think that most of you are arguing for the sake of arguing. And that's just boring.
Hey James, go get yourself a Russian bride, or something. Release that tension, boy.
― Kim, Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kim, Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:45 (nineteen years ago) link
But, I distinctly remember watching Totally Pauly waiting for "Epic" to come on in between Janet Jackson, Kid N' Play, and Damn Yankees videos because it was a revolutionary kind of thing for my naive 15 year old ears and eyes. And I'm sure that was the case with countless other people too...including the guys who went on to form the nu-metal bands.
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:46 (nineteen years ago) link
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― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― KimberIy, Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:50 (nineteen years ago) link
and yes even the beloved In Living Color
"Homie don't play dat!"
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:53 (nineteen years ago) link
How about all of Epic? Oh, and btw, I was a casual fan of FNM back in the day, so it's not like I have a grudge against them, or anything. Just drawing a line in the sand. You say they were innovative, I say they weren't.
― KimberIy, Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― dave q, Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:54 (nineteen years ago) link
Tracklist, BTW:
01. Sol Invictus02. Superhero03. Sunny Side Up04. Separation Anxiety05. Cone of Shame06. Rise of the Fall07. Black Friday08. Motherfucker09. Matador10. From the Dead
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 2 March 2015 09:37 (nine years ago) link
the new album is A CRACKER
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Monday, 2 March 2015 10:23 (nine years ago) link
Guessing it'll leak pretty soon.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 2 March 2015 10:31 (nine years ago) link
cool song. pointless to compare it to Album of the Year given so much time has lapsed, still i'm glad it doesn't seem like they picked up from where they left off.
― charlie h, Monday, 2 March 2015 10:46 (nine years ago) link
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie)
Getting pretty incredible early reviews.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 2 March 2015 13:54 (nine years ago) link
it's kind of amazing, if you had just played the first second of that new song to me, I would have known immediately that it was Faith No More. Something about that guitar tone...l
― Poliopolice, Monday, 2 March 2015 17:00 (nine years ago) link
There's a great 3-minute song in "Superhero" but no reason for it to meander on for over 5.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 2 March 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
no i love the outro
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 2 March 2015 17:02 (nine years ago) link
disappointing to see that Jim Martin's not back...
― Poliopolice, Monday, 2 March 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link
Never gonna happen.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 2 March 2015 17:10 (nine years ago) link
interesting song. it sounds very nu-metal to me (except for the keys)... but then, I guess they'd sort of pioneered that sound.
what happened to Jim that it's never gonna happen?
― Poliopolice, Monday, 2 March 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link
He now lives in Castro Valley, California, with his wife, son, and daughter. He has gained fame in recent years for his non-musical endeavors in championship pumpkin growing.
― Poliopolice, Monday, 2 March 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, seriously. I kept waiting for the cool suprise breakdown parts that FNM arrangements usually offer, but nope. Not bad, but doesn't justify the length and repetition. Might work better in context.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 March 2015 20:29 (nine years ago) link
it's a really good album
i saw jim martin and mike patton share a stage... when patton was watching martin play with infectious grooves at orion (rip)
― maura, Monday, 2 March 2015 20:59 (nine years ago) link
i was there B)
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 2 March 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link
RIGHT NEXT TO ME
― maura, Monday, 2 March 2015 21:22 (nine years ago) link
I dunno if pining for Jim is really the move anyway since, w/ King for a Day and Album of the Year their entire sound got streamlined, and sleeker and more eccentric and less "metal" and even less macho to some extent
They're probably the type of guys that would value growing as a band than pulling an INDIE CINDY and stopping by with more of the same shit; and thus would necessitate Hudson in the fold. Their setlists have been leaning towards KFaD stuff any way, and that album def "holds up" the best of their entire catalog, nearly 20 years later.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 2 March 2015 21:28 (nine years ago) link
Basically, they moved on and so should you, imho
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 2 March 2015 21:29 (nine years ago) link
agree
― maura, Monday, 2 March 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link
Though it's true that it makes Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey historically inaccurate
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 2 March 2015 21:35 (nine years ago) link
It couldn't maintain its airtight consistency forever.
― U SNOOZE U LOOZE BRAH (Old Lunch), Monday, 2 March 2015 21:38 (nine years ago) link
Jim shreds but Whiney basically otm..."it's over man, let him go"
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 2 March 2015 22:27 (nine years ago) link
Their setlists have been leaning towards KFaD stuff any way, and that album def "holds up" the best of their entire catalog, nearly 20 years later.
I like many prefer Angel Dust, but Martin had very little input into the creative direction of that album by all accounts.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 2 March 2015 23:18 (nine years ago) link
wow i can't believe i just learned about this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d17UkOTIwyg
― maura, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 04:23 (nine years ago) link
listened to their whole discog for a live review once, thought they were overrated if anything =\
― soyrev, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 04:25 (nine years ago) link
you're wrong but it's ok
― maura, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 04:29 (nine years ago) link
it always struck me that the production on their albums weren't as good or as appropriate as they could have been.
― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 05:05 (nine years ago) link
like it did them a disservice more often than not
― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 05:06 (nine years ago) link
the last time i saw fnm before the reunion they played brixton academy with sparks as support, and brought them back on to play this town... as the encore. they were better that night than they'd been since the angel dust tour.
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 08:04 (nine years ago) link
whoahey! it's maura!
― soyrev, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:41 (nine years ago) link
Blatant self-promo, etc, but my Faith No More feature is in the new issue of MOJO, the one with Fleetwood Mac on the cover (which is a great, great piece as well). Buy it, magazines smell nice. https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11350981_1609890965916481_969707631_n.jpg
― NotKnowPotato (stevie), Monday, 25 May 2015 09:11 (nine years ago) link
:D
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 May 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link
does anyone understand the ire between patton and the chilis? from the mr. bungle set where they make the "hAPPY herroween" joke to neil hamburger opening for FNM and taking the piss out of RHCP - anyone get it?
― kolakube (Ross), Friday, 12 January 2018 05:40 (six years ago) link
guess he kicked them off a bill, but seems like patton took it pretty hard, including covering them in a mock fashion
― kolakube (Ross), Friday, 12 January 2018 05:43 (six years ago) link
As I understand it, Anthony Kiedis wasn't too thrilled when he saw the video to 'Epic' (he felt Patton was copping his look, moves and vocal style) and nor was he too thrilled about Mr Bungle putting out an album called California at the same time as Californication was out. Mr Bungle ended up getting kicked off a lot of festivals and subsequently found out that the reason why was Kiedis had threatened to pull RHCP from the line-ups if Mr Bungle played. Patton and co. were obviously furious, and I'm sure this is what actually led to the Halloween RHCP piss-take gig.
― Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Friday, 12 January 2018 06:55 (six years ago) link
Story I heard was that Bungle came up with the name Californication, Keidis was told it by one of the band or something and nicked it for the Chilis album, so Bungle had to call theirs the much more boring California. Read that on the internet ages ago so may be misremembered/totally inaccurate.
― chap, Friday, 12 January 2018 10:38 (six years ago) link
Patton hates the Chillis because he has ears and a brain
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Friday, 12 January 2018 10:39 (six years ago) link
I don't think I had any concept of this feud when it was first popping off. Didn't read those interviews in Kerrang or whatever. But this quote is great.
I'd really like to set all that straight. What he doesn't realize is that I am Anthony Kiedis, and I'm the raddest dude. Let me tell you, I'm in the greatest band, and it's so cool. But all these jerks, one of which is that Mike Patton asshole, all want to be me. So I'm gonna get him, and I'm gonna get him good. - Mike Patton 1990
I sure hope that Bungle didn't want to name California Californication, because Californication is one of the stupidest words I've ever heard.
― how's life, Friday, 12 January 2018 11:39 (six years ago) link
Thanks for all the great info
― kolakube (Ross), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:54 (six years ago) link
The real early video of one of Faith No More's first performances of Epic (@4:15) is a lil Keidisy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxv1gzId2Fk
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:13 (six years ago) link
Also, I love Chuck, but I do always like when Patton does "Crab Song"
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:15 (six years ago) link
I love Chuck but I think p much all Patton's versions of Chuck songs beat the originals. Chuck was never really a singer, by his own admission.
Anne's Song is still probs my favourite FNM song though, and no one else should ever sing it.
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:18 (six years ago) link
Since we're posting videos, this is def my favorite FNM live clip. Love the post-reunion feel of a tight 4-piece with Patton kind of soloing like a jazz musician.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1x_4keMigs
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link