2021 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees POLL

or rather inducted as "performers," it's not like "early influence" et al are partial inductees

I have to keep adjusting my timeline--"early influence" no longer means Big Mama Thorton and the 5 Royales, it's Kraftwerk.

...and Charley Patton!

there's an interview out there where Bono gets cheekily asked "will you ever be as good as Coldplay?" and he cheekily answers "they're one of our biggest influences."

as if there were a cheekiness shortage in rock journalism

I'm doing a remote supply/substitute job right now (easiest job in the world), grade 7, and just to make conversation I mentioned the six inductees. They know Jaz-Z, of course, and some know the Foo Fighters. No one else...until, five minutes after they went back to work, one guy said "This is a bit off topic, but did the Go-Go's sing 'Head Over Heels'?"

The one thing I miss most about teaching full-time.

"Off topic," I mean.

first album in general is actually kind of a fun and scrappy big budget bedroom album

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, May 12, 2021 7:56 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

foo fighters s/t low key one of the best rock albums of all time

as is beauty and the beat tbh

rock music crawled so that "how much more" could fly

I have to keep adjusting my timeline--"early influence" no longer means Big Mama Thorton and the 5 Royales, it's Kraftwerk.

70s artists kraftwerk and gil scott heron are "early influences", alongside performer inductees carole king and tina turner who each recorded in the 1950s. i get that the unspoken part of "early influences" for those 2 acts is meant to be "...on hip hop", but still its starting getting confusing keeping track of the various parallel timelines and levels of recognition that the HOF is juggling. i have no idea what "musical excellence" is intended to mean in this context, as separate from "performer". is it just like an honorable mention?

Fred Durst, early influencer

congrats to the 2022 class of early influencers Lula Reed, Fieldy, and Waddy Wachtel

“Circle in the Sand” is more sophisticated and catchy than any Foo Fighters single I’ve heard

This just in: 1918 Spanish flu epidemic will be inducted as...

wait for it...

an early influenza

the fuck? It took until 2021 for Charley Patton to get in as an "early influence"? I just assumed he'd been inducted in the '80s.

I guess if Link Wray's not getting in under that category, he's not getting in at all. And if Fela had been voted in, they probably woulda put him in as an "early influence," too.

xp I laffed!

“Circle in the Sand” is more sophisticated and catchy than any Foo Fighters single I’ve heard

― beamish13

*shivers in the salty air*

the food fighters are so bad, even the bizkit are better

whoa let's not get carried away. Limp Bizkit wishes they could have written an "Everlong".

it would have been about something very different

lol

why the fuck does anyone care who some nostalgic boomer twats want to build a shrine to in a concrete pyramid in cleveland?

bc we love music

feel like this thing is fundamentally anti-music

I can't remember anything by the Nostalgic Boomer Twats.

What was their bestselling album?

I'll never forget the day, four or five years ago, I stopped by Reckless Records over my lunch hour and was talking to one of the employees when this middle aged guy in a suit rushed in, pulled a list out of his pocket and breathlessly asked if they "got any albums by the following" and proceeded to reel off a list of the inductees that had been announced that morning. After he left the clerk goes, "we get three or four of those every year on this day, like clockwork".

^that's kind of adorable, actually

I'm doing a remote supply/substitute job right now (easiest job in the world), grade 7, and just to make conversation I mentioned the six inductees. They know Jaz-Z, of course, and some know the Foo Fighters. No one else...

Was going to say the same thing but, kids these days ...

I'd guess it's more of a case of name recognition? It's been more than twenty years since she retired and almost thirty years since the big biopic, so it's not like she's had the recent treatment like Queen or Elton John. Hopefully the new doc series will help in that regard.

I'm fairly positive the kids would recognize her songs if they were played though, even if the name didn't click.

And as Greil Marcus chimes in every year, what about the Shangri-Las?

this, this and this. also this.

oh, and also: every song grant hart ever wrote is each, on its own, better than, and probably responsible for, the entire foo fighters catalog.

I actually prefaced Tina Turner's name with "One or two of you might know..." but nothing. It's possible someone did know her and just didn't speak up, but when I think about it, where would a 12-year-old know Tina Turner from? Her radio presence is limited to a certain kind of MOR/Boomer/whatever station, and I don't think kids that age listen to radio of any kind. Her celebrity presence has been minimal for years but I don't know, does she still present at award shows or show up on talk shows? On the other hand, I have to believe the one kid who knew a Go-Go's song probably knows her.

Seems like, aside from Angela Bassett's career, the biopic's lasting legacy has been Ike memes

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/b1/7c/c0/b17cc06d56f6c2bd26f9a2737bb65948.jpg

I was also thinking about the infamous reference Jay-Z made in “Drunk In Love”, but forgot how oblique it actually was (for a 21st century kid that is).

ike & tina was a hacky reference for rappers for decades, glad that it's waned

oh, and also: every song grant hart ever wrote is each, on its own, better than, and probably responsible for, the entire foo fighters catalog.

― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, May 12, 2021 1:39 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's kind of depressing to think that the entirety of 80s U.S. punk, hardcore, post-punk, "This Band Could be Your Life" type bands are going to get uniformly ignored

nah they'll all get in as Early Influencers after Blink-182 are inducted in 10 years

oh, and also: every song grant hart ever wrote is each, on its own, better than, and probably responsible for, the entire foo fighters catalog.

I totally get not having heard of Carole King, Todd Rundgren or The Go-Go’s, but Tina Turner?

I didn't even know any of their songs when *I* was in the seventh grade, and I would've known Tina Turner only from a commercial or a movie I saw on TV. Outside of the Beatles (which I didn't listen to until late in high school), I don't think I really paid attention to anything 'historical' until college.

I actually remember the first time I read about Tapestry - it was some magazine listing the best-selling albums of all-time, and I was like "what's Tapestry?" It seemed very odd that this ordinary-looking person (sitting in a window sill with a cat) could sell as many records as all this other stuff that either had some flashy-looking concept or some larger-than-life personality.

It's a little deflating to say this, but I imagine LL Cool J would be well-known because of his thoroughly mediocre movie career. I guess he's kind of like Eric Clapton where it's a little bewildering when you find out he's done all this great, groundbreaking stuff but you'd never know from the massive amount of underwhelming work he's done in the decades since.

Also, I think Dionne Warwick was probably better known for her psychic infomercials when I was a kid. That was kind of weird finding out she did all this class stuff decades earlier.

ll cool j also hosted the grammys, for whatever that's worth

I know him solely because of his penchant for big ole butts

I'm a non-parent who learned very early in my teaching career that the window of history for that age group is measured in months. 30 years ago, I was constantly surprised by people they didn't know; the wheel has turned a few dozen times since then. They wouldn't even know the group that sang the song about moving like a Jagger.

(Come to think of that, I can't remember their name either.)

(I asked them about LL Cool J, too, and either they didn't know him or were just bored of the whole topic at that point.)

(Ha--didn't realize that song is 10 years old now.)

"Because I Got High" is almost 20 years old, which kinda blows my mind

Jesus, I didn't even know there was/is a "NCIS: Los Angeles." I doubt they'd know that show, NCIS in general struck me as something everyone's parents would watch.

"Because I Got High" is almost 20 years old, which kinda blows my mind

― Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Wednesday, May 12, 2021 4:00 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

ah fuck, i was gonna accomplish so much in that time...

I mean...unless you don't accept that rap is the equal of rock, LL Cool J absolutely should be a slam dunk in the same way that the 50s rock n' roll guys were

I would out of hand dismiss his post Mama Said career either there's good stuff there

i have no problem with Cool James being in, I don't care about "he's not rock", since they use that genre tag loosely to begin with