it's not animus for Buster Poindexter, but if you're looking for things that made it harder for the NY Dolls to maintain their reputation and importance in subsequent generations of rock nerds, that's part of it
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 April 2021 17:31 (three years ago) link
Buster Poindexter was part of the Dolls, too, especially a couple of the covers on the second album, and honestly, I didn't much care for it then, either.
― clemenza, Thursday, 29 April 2021 17:41 (three years ago) link
the beginning of the Hot, Hot, Hot video is this weird moment where an out of character "Poindexter" explains he used to be in the New York Dolls and this is his new act or some ish
― Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 April 2021 18:02 (three years ago) link
here’s where I interrupt the proceedings for a PA by a Calypso and Soca Hall of Fame inductee:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkGgdIBX1to
― Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Thursday, 29 April 2021 18:10 (three years ago) link
I had forgotten all about the intro to the Poindexter video. It is kind of strange.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhZba-P7R18
Watching that led me to this Tonight Show clip, which is something:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EalIXbQsLCA
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 29 April 2021 18:12 (three years ago) link
I enjoyed both the Hot Hot intro and the Carson clip.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 29 April 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link
There was a sketch on the comedy show Bizarre with the same extended joke, although I don't think Goulet was the punchline. I assume they're both borrowing some old vaudeville routine.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 29 April 2021 18:31 (three years ago) link
the song was so annoyingly ubiquitous that every fuckin thing was working in "Hot Hot Hot".
one day I went to uhh, I think Disney MGM Studios with my folks and all of the Toons were putting on a musical show, and then they FUCKING START PERFORMING "HOT HOT HOT". Roger Rabbit singing lead, it was annoying.
― Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 April 2021 19:09 (three years ago) link
It was either that or "Vietnamese Baby".
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 29 April 2021 19:36 (three years ago) link
I know that Johansen is out promoting something, and that that's what you do, but I wonder if he really believes himself when he brushes away his old group in the Carson interview and says he's doing something "a bit more mature" now--did he think he'd be remembered for Buster Poindexter? I also wonder if he was the only guest who ever called Carson "John."
― clemenza, Thursday, 29 April 2021 19:46 (three years ago) link
He is joking, as the Hot Hot Hot version of the schtick makes clear. The character is named Buster Poindexter!
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 29 April 2021 19:49 (three years ago) link
(I'm sure he was sincere about wanting to perform standards and dance hits at that period in his life, but he clearly didn't think that "Buster Poindexter" was a serious artiste who was going to create a standing legacy in world history.)
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 29 April 2021 19:53 (three years ago) link
there was a whole lot of buster in the dolls, tbh. ref. showdown, great big kiss, stranded in the jungle, don't start me talkin', etc. etc.
― Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 29 April 2021 19:58 (three years ago) link
just occurred to me he was probably best known in the larger culture as the cabbie from Scrooged
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 April 2021 19:59 (three years ago) link
I know him as Looney from Let It Ride (thanks Comedy Central)
― Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 April 2021 20:02 (three years ago) link
He is joking, as the Hot Hot Hot version of the schtick makes clear.
Wouldn't count on that at all. Artists kid themselves all the time when it comes to concepts like maturity and artistic growth.
― clemenza, Thursday, 29 April 2021 20:11 (three years ago) link
i'm sure i've seen johansen more than any other performer. (i'm not proud.) he is at his best when he is first working out his concepts. those early buster shows at tramps were a hoot. i caught a couple of "dollettes" shows (him + syl + staten island cronies) that were post-dolls and pre-solo album, and they were great too. you never knew what you were going to hear next. i did see the real dolls once in their very waning red patent leather days. that show has a special place in my heart but i sure wish i had seen them earlier.
― Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 29 April 2021 20:12 (three years ago) link
he discusses Scrooged in the Carson clip, in the context of Buster Poindexter being this persona / project and using his real name for other work
"Some of the older kids might remember I used to make loud, raucous music fifteen years ago, but now I want to do something refined and dignified, so soft and sweet, that you might sip wine by the fireplace while listening. Here, I'll show you: *puts face in camera and screams 'YESSS-aaaahhhh, HA HA HAHHAHHAHAHAGH!!'*"
I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 29 April 2021 20:21 (three years ago) link
I'm rarely sure of anything; I know you usually are.
I don't think that him understanding the camp/commercial appeal of Buster Poindexter and also feeling he'd outgrown the New York Dolls part of his life are mutually exclusive.
― clemenza, Thursday, 29 April 2021 20:53 (three years ago) link
I'm sure he was sincere about wanting to perform standards and dance hits at that period in his life
:)
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 29 April 2021 21:00 (three years ago) link
But, you know, he was covering Big Fat Mamas Are Back in Style and Who Drank My Beer (While I Was in the Rear)?, not Moon River.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 29 April 2021 21:06 (three years ago) link
those early buster shows at tramps were a hoot
yes! the schtick was good until he leaned so far into it that the schtick basically swallowed him.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 29 April 2021 21:42 (three years ago) link
The longer you stare into the abyss...
― perhaps perhaps perhaps (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 29 April 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link
the longer the abyss gets HOT HOT HOT!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 April 2021 22:19 (three years ago) link
Man, motherfuck Todd Rundgren. Devo, Fela Kuti and Iron Maiden all locked out but that cocksucker gets in?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 12:35 (three years ago) link
Well they have to make sure that all of the 70s classic rock dudes get in, even the third tier ones.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 12:43 (three years ago) link
I wish they'd just stop nominating Chaka at this point. It's just getting cruel.
― avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 12:47 (three years ago) link
I misread and thought the Dolls had gotten in and was going to say Little Richard was turning over in his... SHUT UP!
― Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 12:52 (three years ago) link
man that Buster Poindexter clip on Carson is a hoot ("tout suite").
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 13:22 (three years ago) link
TWO GERMS IN THE HALL!
― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 13:44 (three years ago) link
It's a shame Fela didn't get in, but I'm not terribly surprised. Foo Fighters was a band custom built to appeal to RRHOF voters, so that's no surprise.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 13:49 (three years ago) link
I forgot that Smear wasn't included with Nirvana.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 13:51 (three years ago) link
Foo Fighters : Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame :: H.E.R. : Grammys
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 13:54 (three years ago) link
Jay-Z also kind of the perfect hip hop star for RRHOF.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 13:58 (three years ago) link
For me, the Foo Fighters are silly, but a friend made me somewhat more receptive to the idea that there's a case there (all those extra words are code for "For me, the Foo Fighters are silly). I also consider the Go-Go's kind of weak.
And as Greil Marcus chimes in every year, what about the Shangri-Las?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 14:02 (three years ago) link
he's so known as public/business figure there are probably people who voted for him that don't know his music
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 14:03 (three years ago) link
I've only heard maybe three Foo Fighters songs in my life. All three were perfectly competent, big-catchy-chorus pop-rock. But shouldn't there be more to a "Hall of Fame" act than "perfectly competent"?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 14:06 (three years ago) link
Exactly how I'd put it. I always draw baseball analogies: it'd be like putting steady, competent Tom Candiotti in the HOF. (And even if Tom Candiotti were really popular and a super-nice guy, should that make a difference?)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 14:10 (three years ago) link
think about Foo Fighters getting in before Soundgarden
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 14:12 (three years ago) link
Winner of a popularity contest happens to be a likeable dude, pundits shocked.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 14:12 (three years ago) link
Except you guys keep ignoring the fact that the RRHOF is also somewhat of a popularity contest and branding extension - mediocre or not, the Foo Fighters have maintained a really high level of popularity for 25 years now and continue to notch up Grammys and #1 rock radio songs, plus Grohl is great at inserting himself into the "rock and roll history ambassador" role he loves so much.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 14:13 (three years ago) link
I don't know if this has historically been a popularity contest, though...I think you could find a lot of exceptions to that.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 14:14 (three years ago) link
"rock and roll history ambassador"
I agree, that's the biggest factor. One day, Paul Shaffer will be inducted.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 14:16 (three years ago) link
xpost - Exceptions sure, but c'mon, the RRHOF is a huge popularity contest.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 14:16 (three years ago) link
There was a greater tolerance for/embrace of weirdos from previous generations for sure. The "modern" acts that get inducted are much more complacent, "safe" representatives of their generation — Green Day and Foo Fighters yes, Jane's Addiction never.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 14:17 (three years ago) link
Don't get me wrong, there are easily 3 dozen artists/bands nominated that deserve induction before the Foos, not defending them, but they were the easiest to predict shoe-in in years.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 14:17 (three years ago) link
I don't know where I'd draw the line--1960? 1970? later?--but there's a line in there where on one side 97% of the picks make perfect sense to me, and on the other side, I'm lost when it comes to who belongs and who doesn't.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 14:22 (three years ago) link
OH MY GOD THE ROCK N ROLL HALL OF FAME IS A POPULARITY CONTEST AND MARKETING DRIVEN *passes out*
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 14:26 (three years ago) link
Those 70s weirdos were commercially huge, much more so than Jane’s Addiction etc.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 14:26 (three years ago) link
Foo Fighters, the Harold Baines of HOF inductees?
― Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 14:28 (three years ago) link