Ladies and gentlemen....the 1990s ILX SINGLES POLL RESULTS

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As I said before, the Top 20 is still to come and it doesn't look like they'll be any bleeding Britpop in it at all, except 'Common People'.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

How bout "british popular music from the early 90s that didn't make it in the U.S. and that many of us think is overrepresented on this poll."

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry for so many of us being British, again.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I accept no apologies.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Er, enough people voted for it, so how does that make it over-represented?

(xpost)

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Over 1/4 of the music on this poll so far is music made by fairly crappy fey british pop/schmindie bands (I didn't even count MBV or Slowdive or various trip-hop acts.) I think it's fair to say to that thread of popular music is overrepresented on this poll, Alba.

Hey, you've been upbraiding us for the election of Bush over on ILE (which is baffling to me since you guys have Blair.) We can give you a little shit about how crappy this poll is turning out.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Correction to my post above. It = them = tracks you don't like but other people do

(xpost)

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Etienne/Pulp/PSB are not crappy!

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

it's amazing the sense of entitlement some people have towards a public forum.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I just don't see the point of bringing nationality into it. It's ridiculous, given the British origins of ILM. There's no such thing as an objective list. I wouldn't mind so much if people were moaning about the lack of Senegalese music in the list, but when it just seems to come down to 'there should be even more American stuff', well it's just a bit daft.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

See, I could understand if people complained about the proportion of "britpop" in the nominations, but this is what people voted for out of a very very long list with plenty non-PSB/Pulp/Saint Etienne on it. You don't like the results, tough, it's still a representation of what people voted for.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

This is getting stupid ... there's just as much mid->late 90's American hip-hop on the list (with more to come, as opposed to the mid-90's "fey British pop/schmindie bands) and I don't hear anyone saying that hip-hop is overrepresented.

Granted, there are more hip-hop aritsts represented ... this is a different issue, however.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey just cuz it's what people voted for doesn't mean I have to like it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)

The lack of Japanese noise bands is what troubles me most, save one possible exception.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't say you did, but I just don't agree it's "overrepresented" (xpost)

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

And I wouldn't have a problem with the poll so much if it weren't for the fact that there are (or will be) TEN tracks by Pulp and Saint Etienne which is just silly.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Also there IS less American hip-hop on the list, MIR.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Incidently, just cuz yr british isn't an excuse. There is a very specific musical thread to the british bands (over)praised on here (and like I said, I even LIKE some of them...) - I'm no expert on this but how is rave and club music faring when compared to stuff like etienne pulp B&S et al? That's not a UK-American thing.

And there hasn't been a single hip-hop artist, or even hip-hop PRODUCER who's had FIVE cuts on this list, so don't give me that either.

And obviously like Alex said - "just cuz it's what people voted for doesn't mean I have to like it."

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, that's cause people nominated loads, leading to lots of St Etienne low down, instead of one or two high up. St Etienne fans be bad strategists.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Dance music has perhaps suffered more than most things from differing tastes. Jed is a big dance music fan, for instance, but didn't think much of the nominations so didn't vote for much of it.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Man, where the FUCK are all the Disco Inferno records???

― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:27 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, edited for 20...

20. Aphex Twin - "Windowlicker"
19. Blackstreet f/ Dr. Dre - "No Diggity"
18. Neutral Milk Hotel - "Two-Headed Boy"
17. Disco Inferno - "The Last Dance"
16. Radiohead - "Airbag" (though it'll be pretty fucking weak if this makes it, of course it probably will)
15. Warren G. f/ Nate Dogg - "Regulate"
14. Blur - "For Tomorrow"
13. Jay-Z - "Big Pimpin'"
12. Aaliyah - "Are You That Somebody?"
11. Geto Boys - "Mind Playin' Tricks on Me"
10. Beck - "Loser"
9. Breeders - "Cannonball"
8. Dr. Dre - "Nuthin' But a "G" Thang"
7. My Bloody Valentine - "Soon"
6. Massive Attack - "Unfinished Sympathy"
5. Deee-Lite - "Groove is in the Heart"
4. Stardust - "Music Sounds Better With You"
3. Nirvana - "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
2. Radiohead - "Paranoid Android"
1. Pulp - "Common People"

possible:

Mark Morrison - "Return of the Mack"
Bjork - "Hyperballad"

Leftfield - "Open Up"
Joey Beltram - "Energy Flash"
Orbital - "Chime"
Sinnead O'Connor - "Nothing Compares 2 U"

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I count sixteen American hip-hop tracks, with another four or five to come, that totals one-fifth of the list. Britpop (and lumping PSB + Saint Etienne + Pulp under one label is a BIG stretch) = ~ one-quarter of the list. Not much of a difference! And if we're going to lump Saint Etienne in with Blur and Oasis, then I say we should lump Aaliyah and TLC in with hip-hop and make an "American urban music" category and then it's even.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, it seems like a bizarre thing to complain about, but there is virtually no American indie or alternative rock on this list. I guess that's better than there being too much of it, but there really should be more than there is.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess I just find all this funny, cause it's usually the proportion of (mostly US) indie-rock that puts people's backs up on polls like this. Having several Pulp and Saint Etienne tracks appear in a top 100 (not even very high, as I keep saying) is an interesting flipside complaint.

Man, where the FUCK are all the Disco Inferno records???

There were three DI tracks nominated, I think. I guess they're just not big enough to withstand that kind of vote split.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

fwiw i think the Albums list will be better and much more representative (and thus maybe duller!).

I pretty much agree with Alex in SF but i'm past getting annoyed by it.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

14. Blur - "For Tomorrow"

is this based on exit polls? because my natural inclination is to say "caucasian, please."

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

There were too many Sonic Youth tracks nominated, and none of them were 'Kool Thing' or 'Tunic'.

I think maybe a lot of people left their US indierock choices for the albums poll. We'll see.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

??? better or duller? - i can't make my mind up.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think "Windowlicker" and "For Tomorrow" are locks at all ... particularly the latter, it's hardly the most loved Blur single.

I think "Nothing Compares" and "Chime" will make it instead. Particularly "Chime" ... there are way too many Orbital fans around here for that one to be left out.(xpost)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually there were four DI tracks nominated, and they're fantastic vote-splitters but I still really think "The Last Dance" will make it.

This is definitely an interesting list. I'll hold off final judgement until the top twenty is revealed, because that could change a lot (especially if "Chime" or "Energy Flash" miraculously make the list).

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

If 'For Tomorrow' makes it, I'm throwing my hat in with Alex in SF and djdee.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Anthony, why not? It was the only "classic" Blur tune nominated (from the Blur fan's Blur album, no less), the britpop heavies will rally behind it.

I agree that neither it or "Windowlicker" are locks, however. I hesitate to use the term "lock" at this point for anything except "Groove is in the Heart" and "Common People". I won't even use it for "Smells Like Teen Spirit".

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

My ballot was predominately us indie. I must have been one of the few..

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i missed "Energy Flash" on the noms.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The only (projected) omission on this list that truly upsets me is "Web in Front". There's no excuse for that not being on the list, even if it was the sole representative for American Indie Rock of the 90s.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I also missed "Energy Flash" on the noms. I wonder why--was it maybe not included on an early draft of the ballot? I definitely would've voted for it, 15-20ish.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still holding out for my two track nominations - The Source feat. Candi Staton's 'You Got The Love' and The J.A.M.M.s 'It's Grim Up North'.

Ha bloody ha.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate the Viking outro to "Grim Up North" so fucking much.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

the britpop heavies will rally behind it.

There are no britpop heavies! You are all alone at night.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Viking?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you mean 'Jerusalem', or the geese?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the st. etienne getting five tracks thing is the biggest shocker to me, and it DOES make the list look a bit more imbalanced than it would have had the british music been a bit more diversely covered - even different BANDS, I mean.

Geto Boys are certainly a lock, since all the h-h heads decided in advance to push it as far up as we could.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)

since all the h-h heads decided in advance to push it as far up as we could.

that's pretty lame.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

not only does that revelation make it a false victory, it also points out the absurdity of taking high poll standing on a music forum as a "victory."

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)

h-h heads be fighting a united front!

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Anthony, I think he was kidding.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope so.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"energy flash" was my number one. i am holding out hope that it will place in the top 20. if not, then fuck you all!! (since we're getting all bitchy and complaint-rock on this thread)

― tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

should I disqualify the write-ins for "Sorted on E's and Wizz" and "Hug My Soul", then?

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

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