I feel like this thread title should just be shortened to being an MF Doom poll, no one refers to him as his government name and all the aliases are explained later.
What’s everyone’s favourite KMD tracks? Kinda tempted to vote for Nitty Gritty and wish they did more collabs
― a hoy hoy, Monday, 5 April 2021 17:07 (three years ago) link
My first crack at a title went over the limit! But I'll write the mods in a minute to tighten it up, and hit some other threads to see if we can get some more people in here.Fave KMD, Peachfuzz.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 17:21 (three years ago) link
definitely planning on voting but his discography is a challenge to parse, let alone rank.
i'll have something before the deadline tho.
― voodoo chili, Monday, 5 April 2021 17:31 (three years ago) link
True. It's been fun listening back to some deeper cuts and finding some new things, though my ballot's going to end up mainly the big releases.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link
i think this might've been the last song with a DOOM verse released during his lifetime? unless something else came out in 2020 that i'm forgetting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9QmBUBD-AI
― voodoo chili, Monday, 5 April 2021 17:53 (three years ago) link
The GTA V game update that has "The Chocolate Conquistadors" with Badbadnotgood and "Lunch Break" with Flying Lotus was in December, after his passing but before pretty much anyone knew.
The former was released as a single digitally but I guess the only place you can hear "Lunch Break" legitimately is driving around in the game (which is enough for me to take votes for it!). Here's someone's youtube upload:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ArmYP1nklI
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 18:03 (three years ago) link
thread name is changed. Thanks for the title, voodoo!
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 18:05 (three years ago) link
ill do my best to get a ballot together. wont have time to go back on a deep dive but i should have enough that i love to fill out a ballot.
― i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Monday, 5 April 2021 18:07 (three years ago) link
deep dives definitely optional
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 18:08 (three years ago) link
ha yess, appreciate the title
― voodoo chili, Monday, 5 April 2021 18:14 (three years ago) link
i need to think on this a bit myself
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 5 April 2021 19:06 (three years ago) link
Definitely going to vote in this, have just about got a shortlist together. Will lean very heavily on the main albums - have enjoyed going through those again.
maffew12 do you have a preference for how ballots are formatted i.e. just the track names or with the artist on there as well?
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 5 April 2021 20:16 (three years ago) link
Doesn't matter. Just titles will be fine. I didn't put out a full list so I'll be wrangling things at counting time.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:52 (three years ago) link
OK cool!
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 5 April 2021 21:49 (three years ago) link
That Herbs Guide upthread is great. I should have sought more of these sample sources before now!
Also: are unranked track ballots are an option?
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 00:03 (three years ago) link
Weighted only, sorry.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 01:04 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdyY20rGpJ8
I really need to make my list in the next couple days
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:16 (three years ago) link
Controps time? I don't normally mind hiphop album excesses, but most of the non-DOOM bits of Madvillainy drive me up a wall. It's weird cuz I can listen to Madlib all day. Going through all of the Mad/DOOM material for this ballot, I made a playlist of my faves... with a little of the Four Tet remixes too. Goes 56 minutes.
Avalanche (single)Operation LifesaverCloser (off The Further Adventures of Lord Quas)BistroRaidRainbowsMeat Grinder (Four Tet remix)Supervillain ThemeStrange WaysFancy ClownButter King Jewels (off Madvillainy 2, uses DOOM vocal from Dabrye's "Air")Monkey Suit (off Madvillainy 2, remix of "Monkey Suite")Great Day TodayAll CapsInterlude (Koushik)Victory Laps (Madvillainz Remix) (off DOOMSTARKS' Victory Laps single)Boulder Holder (off Madvillainy 2, remix of "Money Folder")AccordionShadows of TomorrowFigaro (demo/leak version)Savage Beast instrumental (off Madvillainy 2)Rhinestone Cowboy (Four Tet remix... which DOOM re-remixed and re-recorded the vocal for)CurlsKnock Knock (off MED/Blu/Madlib Bad Neighbor album)Papermill (single)
(See also "One Beer" and "Absolutely", perfect where they're at on DOOM's albums)
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:10 (three years ago) link
Madness! Madvillainy is the best one because it has the best skits. In fact it is one of the only hip hop records in the whole damn history of the genre where I can play it the whole way through.
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:18 (three years ago) link
BECAUSE of the skits? lolololol
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:19 (three years ago) link
I meant because of the whole listenability, which I presume is not a word. It’s rare for a hip hop record to flow so seamlessly, and the skits and instrumentals are a big part of that. Quas and VV turning up too
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:25 (three years ago) link
It might be the samples of the narrator that kill me. And Zappa. And "Hardcore Hustle". And "Eye" is far weaker than any of DOOM's own deep-cut "one for the ladies" tracks.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:28 (three years ago) link
so speaking of..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MW4d-Cp19E
These fan-made cartoon videos are great. I thought this one had compiled all of the Mm Food ones out there, but nope.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link
Stahhr/Angelika still doing it btw! I love this one so much (on Born Like This and Stahhr's own Almost Neva Was)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qWUj_ZXNvU
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 23:39 (three years ago) link
trying to get a ballot together so i'm not influenced by the trickle of ballots coming into my email. Don't anyone forget the original DOOM ladies track, the man's best ever, Doomsday!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gKblbeffM
Still people posting about "who is Pebbles the Invisible Girl?" when her only job on the record was to impersonate Sade and Barbara Weathers from Atlantic Starr (on "The MIC"). She does sound nice tho. I suspect it was just someone from the neighborhood, like Mr Fantastik. Hopefully they didn't also meet at a arms deal.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 00:01 (three years ago) link
Vote!
― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 20:09 (three years ago) link
So what does "there are no maximums" mean in practice for tracks? I'm guessing that a ranked list of all 576 (or whatever) appearances is not really what you had in mind, lol?
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 8 April 2021 02:04 (three years ago) link
Any fans of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_to_the_Kuffs ? To me it feels like the last proper Doom album. I'll probably vote for 'Winter Blues' on the track list. We could live forever like Henrietta Lacks cells
― cajunsunday, Thursday, 8 April 2021 07:43 (three years ago) link
xp Uh,well, OP might've been written on a couple shots and a few beers..but who cares. In practice, placements will be worth the same across all ballots, so if someone sends in hundreds of tracks, their last place will be 1 or 2 points, and on up from there. We could end up with pinball-looking scores. Here's hoping.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 8 April 2021 11:30 (three years ago) link
xp I think Kuffs could've been a great EP!
Way worse than I remembered: VV2Way better than I remembered: DANGERDOOM (dump the CeeLo and Kweli tracks for anything from the EP or reissue and this really holds up... not that I can rank it like that exactly)
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:49 (three years ago) link
I remember VV2 being awful, unfortunately. I was so excited that Kool Keith as Dr Doom turning up too.
I actually really like the Cee Lo and Talib joints, makes me wish Doom did more with name artists over the years, I think he could have carved quite the niche for himself. He only ever really got to being like 16th on a gorillaz bill though, when it came to collabs. Rock Co Kane Flow is an obv sign he could have killed it.
Really need to sort a ballot out
― a hoy hoy, Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:48 (three years ago) link
I like those guys fine generally, but those two tracks, i dunno, yikes. Apparently DOOM had a habit of turning down features that didn't come with a payday. At least it's something that came up a bunch of times in coverage this year. Wonder what he was charging some of these kids for features recently.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 8 April 2021 20:15 (three years ago) link
I've whittled my ballot down to 83 tracks. I'll keep going til the deadline.
I hadn't really paid much attention to JJ DOOM before last week. Often quite good, is my belated impression.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 9 April 2021 04:47 (three years ago) link
I'll be voting for "Bite the Thong" from JJ DOOM fairly high up. Awesome electro-style beat, with a typically abstract DOOM take on the machinations of the record industry, complete with EPMD references. Magnificent.
― Uncle Boomer Who Can Recall His Past Wives (Adept), Friday, 9 April 2021 11:12 (three years ago) link
xp No need to whittle, can just rank
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 9 April 2021 11:16 (three years ago) link
I used to have a friend when I was 16 and we used to go to Soho to buy records we couldn’t find in our small town. Getting the train back, I remember one of my first instances of annoying-white-guy-says-rap-lyrics about a 12” of Hoe Cakes. He was an indie / jazz type, and even that young he was mad into understanding what was going on deep in 1960s jazz, whether it was free or spiritual or whatever and had a distaste for fusion because people on the internet said that wasn’t real jazz. He hated rap he would hear on the radio.
After that, I tried not to talk to him about rap, there was too much other great music to not talk about something he didn’t like. That train journey always bugged me though cos Hoe Cakes is a fucking journey for anyone who loves both rap and everything weird or different in rap. In a different world, that sample could have been a hit. Instead it’s a deep cut.
A couple years later, when I hadn’t seen him for a while and we had grown a bit, I met him in the street and we ended up chatting for hours. All he could talk about was how much he loved indie rap, and Doom specifically, especially Madvillain, and all I could think was him reading the lyrics off the back of that 12.
Fucking love this shit. Need to make my ballot like yesterday
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 9 April 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link
In which discussion did you guys cover the intricacies of "treat her like a daughter, taught her how to bust a nut"?I got a copy of that 12 a few years ago on discogs. Every one of the listings didn't get the diner menu back sleeve design and was described like, "back is dirty and has a pricetag on it, otherwise great."
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 9 April 2021 23:15 (three years ago) link
uh this album's the best one isn't it
just gonna vote and live with the regret
― voodoo chili, Saturday, 10 April 2021 20:08 (three years ago) link
just got home for the day and determined to sort mine out,lolRegardless of your top pick, how do people compare Food and Doomsday? I think Food is the absolute peak and yet.. Doomsday is the original/the return and has more moods..is just more than the sum of its parts.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 10 April 2021 20:13 (three years ago) link
side 4 of Madvillainy >>>>>> oxygen
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 10 April 2021 21:46 (three years ago) link
Mm Food suffers for having like 10 skits in a row in the middle, makes me wanna skip half the record
― a hoy hoy, Sunday, 11 April 2021 11:04 (three years ago) link
It is a weird move. Easy to skip, though I usually don't. Bit of a rest between barrages of classics. What would drag it down for me is if the Paul Barman track (on the Leftovers EP) had made it on there! As it is, pretty much perfect. If you've got that original Kookies beat:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhzavmxEzaY
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 11 April 2021 12:02 (three years ago) link
Deadline tonight! I didn't say a timezone, but i won't be doing anything with them tonight, so by Monday 7AM Eastern let's say.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 11 April 2021 12:04 (three years ago) link
Trying to make my list now and errrr this is a lot harder than I thought it would be. I’ve not even considered kmd yet
― a hoy hoy, Sunday, 11 April 2021 17:15 (three years ago) link
Should we maybe extend this? I said I’m doing the graphics for it and even I’ve not had time to vote. Ilx has seemed quiet for the past 2 weeks too, maybe we can hopefully get more folks involved with another weeks drive
― a hoy hoy, Sunday, 11 April 2021 19:31 (three years ago) link
Are weekends a bad time to end? Maybe Thursday night? Who else could use a bit more time?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 11 April 2021 19:57 (three years ago) link
I could get a ballot in by Thursday
― Heez, Monday, 12 April 2021 13:57 (three years ago) link
Cool. I've heard from others too. We push on to Thursday night.. midnight Pacific. Thanks all.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 12 April 2021 14:18 (three years ago) link