the nu-metal canon

i think i could accept the argument that linkin park don't really qualify as nu-metal but.. i don't think classifying them as "second generation alongside drowning pool, papa roach, and disturbed" is strictly correct outside of scene politics, especially when slipknot's s/t came out in 99 and kitte's spit came out in 2000, unless you also think these bands/records are also second generation. imo they're crucial to the development of the sound and one only predates hybrid theory by nine months

also chocolate starfish came out one week before hybrid theory, lol

def the popularity of nu-metal absolutely peaking

it's funny, im realizing i do some sort of separation in my mind with slipknot because they seem a bit more "metal metal" (blast beats and diddly diddly guitar alongside the groove metal riffs) but obv they're key to the understanding of nu-metal

1994-1996 nu-metal begins but is just kind of one sound being practiced by a few bands in california [citation needed]. this is bound by the korn s/t and sepultura roots
1997-1999 starts to take off commercially and a lot of other bands start appearing that are pushing the form in odd directions (limp bizkit, orgy, sevendust) with slipknot appearing in 1999 to take genre into overdrive
2000-2002 chocolate starfish/hybrid theory/meteora, debuts of papa roach, kittie, disturbed, etc. the inexorable rise of staind. peak of visibility and popularity
2003 evanescence fallen which i've suddenly decided is the end of the road to me. glad they were brought up itt

hmm i guess you really can break linkin park down into a second-generation crop of nu-metal bands.... however they are maybe the best songwriters mentioned in this entire thread so it's a moot point except in chronology

Also worth remembering that Linkin Park has sold more records than basically every other nu-metal band combined. Hybrid Theory has sold almost 30 million copies. They were massive.

though i've always liked the untitled album)

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, February 25, 2021 10:45 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i listened to it again this evening and i actually LOVE the untitled korn album, what a weird and often kind of gorgeous industrial metal record. and jonathan davis plays drums on four tracks? he's pretty good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3MKe-k_ClE

i'm guessing there is a cool alternate universe where korn kept working with atticus ross and produced several excellent industrial rock records in a row

also chocolate starfish came out one week before hybrid theory, lol

def the popularity of nu-metal absolutely peaking

I remember this coming out very close to kid a which produced some amusing arguments at the time

also I was walking around koreatown recently and one of the hot dog places is now selling a "chocolate dog". we truly are living in fred durst's world

almost as amusing as hail to the thief and st. anger coming out the same week xp

i still can't believe Toxicity came out on 9/11

I forgot that for many years and i kept wondering why I slept in late and missed the two towers exploding, and then realized it's because we went to Virgin megastore at midnight to get Toxicity and by teh time I got home it was like 2 am. so I slept in and woke up to madness.

wiki says it came out on the 4th of september - not to be a party pooper i just wanted to verify that it came out on 9/11 as a fun factoid to pepper into conversation lol

more notably it was #1 on the album charts,when 9/11 happened

neanderthal was actually there to pick up the Glitter soundtrack, it's okay, we won't judge

But tbf there are a number of sources that still do list a 9/11 release date for Toxicity, so I can see where there may be confusion.

jay-z's the blueprint came out on 9/11 and was the #1 album the following week.

lol jon

believe Slayer's God Hates Us All and Dylan's Love and Theft also came out on 9/11

Slayer definitely did. I wasn't buying it anyway as I didn't like the leaked songs from it, but then 9/11 happened and I wasn't doing much of anything other than being scared

i was playing counterstrike all day after 9/11. all the nu-metal made me twisted

Dylan and The Blueprint were the two I bought later that week. I remember almost forcing myself to Best Buy just to pull my eyeballs away from the news for an hour or two.

There's a ton of retconning albums to supposedly have been released that day, the one that always bugs me when it pops up is The Coup's Party Music, which didn't actually come out until November. It was due out in September, but was pushed back due to the whole cover art thing.

Anyway, sorry to hijack your thread Brad.

maybe don’t use the word “hijack” here lol

lol dammit

maaaan Party Music was mah jam.

i feel like it was absolutely inevitable that this would become a 9/11 thread

so, powerman 5000 vs rob zombie.
powerman 5000 even did a reversion of robs big track i.e. "more human" vs "how to be human"
any other examples of such nepotism in the world of industrial/nu-metal ?

Mark Chavez of Adema is Jonathan Davis's half-brother.

probably the only reason they got any attention

that's some deep knowledge unperson.
respect.

the only thing I found more execrable than nu-metal by the time I left high school was post-grunge btw.

it was everywhereeeeeeeeeeeeeee

linkin park being called a nu-metal boyband upthread rankled a little because you know who was absolutely stylized as a nu-metal boyband? adema

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYTwIZslZXo

i will say if you completely ignore the lyrics that song i just posted is a jam, love the high guitar harmonics

what's funny is how comparably terrible the musicianship was with nu-metal. obviously you had Limp Bizkit, which had jazz musicians playing the music, and Korn, but some of the clones could barely play their instruments. sure, you could make the claim of like, Nirvana, but Kurt made his amateurish guitar playing interesting, using voicings and riff-stylings that most trained musicians couldn't dream up.

whereas metalcore, which I also don't like (almost as much as nu-metal), almost every band has pretty tight musicianship, some filled with virtuoso musicians

SOAD and Slipknot have chops

wait i need examples of terrible musicianship in nu metal

yes that is true. Slipknot had more death metally beginnings (from what I've been told, I never did hear Mate Feed Kill Repeat).

xpost bands like Skrape are who I'm thinking of

the knockoff bands inspired a lot of people who had been playing guitar for ten minutes to form a band.

never forget the local nu-metal concert I went to where one of the bands (Grumpy) was lip synching, and the vocalist wasn't even within ten feet of the microphone. the headliner (Deroot) had their sole guitar player get angry at his guitar and throw it across the stage, and the sound of guitar continued, meaning hew as faintly playing over a loud backing track.

lmao ok i have literally never heard of skrape

one of the bands (Grumpy)

omfg

they literally looked like Slayer but played like shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2P8bMN1E70

was listening to the korn s/t tonight and wanted to post this track bc it's the core, the heart music of the genre

absolutely mindbending instrumental bridge on that song

t/s :

linkin park vs dubstep/edm (recharged)
korn vs dubstep (path of totality)

recharged is substantially less good than path of totality. that is pretty easily my least favorite era of linkin park though

i suspected that would be the case.
POT really is next level.
however, i do like LP and both of their remix albums have some amazing tracks.

reanimation is def one of the best remix albums of all time

absolutely.
many years back i used to be very anti-LP cos i was an arse, but somehow i ended up winning their catalogue from the playlouder crew (up to their 'live in texas cd/dvd release).
it was reanimation that made me flip and become a fanboy.

btw i have relistened to s.c.i.e.n.c.e. and have decided to admit it into the canon