i think i could accept the argument that linkin park don't really qualify as nu-metal but.. i don't think classifying them as "second generation alongside drowning pool, papa roach, and disturbed" is strictly correct outside of scene politics, especially when slipknot's s/t came out in 99 and kitte's spit came out in 2000, unless you also think these bands/records are also second generation. imo they're crucial to the development of the sound and one only predates hybrid theory by nine months
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:05 (three years ago) link
also chocolate starfish came out one week before hybrid theory, lol
def the popularity of nu-metal absolutely peaking
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:07 (three years ago) link
it's funny, im realizing i do some sort of separation in my mind with slipknot because they seem a bit more "metal metal" (blast beats and diddly diddly guitar alongside the groove metal riffs) but obv they're key to the understanding of nu-metal
― himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:18 (three years ago) link
1994-1996 nu-metal begins but is just kind of one sound being practiced by a few bands in california [citation needed]. this is bound by the korn s/t and sepultura roots1997-1999 starts to take off commercially and a lot of other bands start appearing that are pushing the form in odd directions (limp bizkit, orgy, sevendust) with slipknot appearing in 1999 to take genre into overdrive2000-2002 chocolate starfish/hybrid theory/meteora, debuts of papa roach, kittie, disturbed, etc. the inexorable rise of staind. peak of visibility and popularity2003 evanescence fallen which i've suddenly decided is the end of the road to me. glad they were brought up itt
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:30 (three years ago) link
hmm i guess you really can break linkin park down into a second-generation crop of nu-metal bands.... however they are maybe the best songwriters mentioned in this entire thread so it's a moot point except in chronology
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:31 (three years ago) link
Also worth remembering that Linkin Park has sold more records than basically every other nu-metal band combined. Hybrid Theory has sold almost 30 million copies. They were massive.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:33 (three years ago) link
though i've always liked the untitled album)
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, February 25, 2021 10:45 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
i listened to it again this evening and i actually LOVE the untitled korn album, what a weird and often kind of gorgeous industrial metal record. and jonathan davis plays drums on four tracks? he's pretty good
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 February 2021 01:20 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3MKe-k_ClE
i'm guessing there is a cool alternate universe where korn kept working with atticus ross and produced several excellent industrial rock records in a row
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 February 2021 14:49 (three years ago) link
also chocolate starfish came out one week before hybrid theory, loldef the popularity of nu-metal absolutely peaking
I remember this coming out very close to kid a which produced some amusing arguments at the time
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Friday, 26 February 2021 15:28 (three years ago) link
also I was walking around koreatown recently and one of the hot dog places is now selling a "chocolate dog". we truly are living in fred durst's world
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Friday, 26 February 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link
almost as amusing as hail to the thief and st. anger coming out the same week xp
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 February 2021 15:35 (three years ago) link
i still can't believe Toxicity came out on 9/11
I forgot that for many years and i kept wondering why I slept in late and missed the two towers exploding, and then realized it's because we went to Virgin megastore at midnight to get Toxicity and by teh time I got home it was like 2 am. so I slept in and woke up to madness.
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 February 2021 18:02 (three years ago) link
wiki says it came out on the 4th of september - not to be a party pooper i just wanted to verify that it came out on 9/11 as a fun factoid to pepper into conversation lol
― himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Friday, 26 February 2021 18:29 (three years ago) link
more notably it was #1 on the album charts,when 9/11 happened
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Friday, 26 February 2021 18:41 (three years ago) link
neanderthal was actually there to pick up the Glitter soundtrack, it's okay, we won't judge
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 26 February 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link
But tbf there are a number of sources that still do list a 9/11 release date for Toxicity, so I can see where there may be confusion.
jay-z's the blueprint came out on 9/11 and was the #1 album the following week.
― little johnny juul (voodoo chili), Friday, 26 February 2021 19:12 (three years ago) link
lol jon
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 February 2021 19:26 (three years ago) link
believe Slayer's God Hates Us All and Dylan's Love and Theft also came out on 9/11
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 February 2021 19:27 (three years ago) link
Slayer definitely did. I wasn't buying it anyway as I didn't like the leaked songs from it, but then 9/11 happened and I wasn't doing much of anything other than being scared
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 February 2021 19:33 (three years ago) link
i was playing counterstrike all day after 9/11. all the nu-metal made me twisted
― himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Friday, 26 February 2021 19:47 (three years ago) link
Dylan and The Blueprint were the two I bought later that week. I remember almost forcing myself to Best Buy just to pull my eyeballs away from the news for an hour or two.
There's a ton of retconning albums to supposedly have been released that day, the one that always bugs me when it pops up is The Coup's Party Music, which didn't actually come out until November. It was due out in September, but was pushed back due to the whole cover art thing.
Anyway, sorry to hijack your thread Brad.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 26 February 2021 19:50 (three years ago) link
maybe don’t use the word “hijack” here lol
― little johnny juul (voodoo chili), Friday, 26 February 2021 19:53 (three years ago) link
lol dammit
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 26 February 2021 19:54 (three years ago) link
maaaan Party Music was mah jam.
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 February 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link
i feel like it was absolutely inevitable that this would become a 9/11 thread
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 February 2021 21:44 (three years ago) link
so, powerman 5000 vs rob zombie.powerman 5000 even did a reversion of robs big track i.e. "more human" vs "how to be human"any other examples of such nepotism in the world of industrial/nu-metal ?
― mark e, Friday, 26 February 2021 21:49 (three years ago) link
Mark Chavez of Adema is Jonathan Davis's half-brother.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 26 February 2021 21:55 (three years ago) link
probably the only reason they got any attention
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 February 2021 22:05 (three years ago) link
that's some deep knowledge unperson.respect.
― mark e, Friday, 26 February 2021 22:08 (three years ago) link
the only thing I found more execrable than nu-metal by the time I left high school was post-grunge btw.
it was everywhereeeeeeeeeeeeeee
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 February 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link
linkin park being called a nu-metal boyband upthread rankled a little because you know who was absolutely stylized as a nu-metal boyband? adema
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYTwIZslZXo
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 February 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link
i will say if you completely ignore the lyrics that song i just posted is a jam, love the high guitar harmonics
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 February 2021 22:16 (three years ago) link
what's funny is how comparably terrible the musicianship was with nu-metal. obviously you had Limp Bizkit, which had jazz musicians playing the music, and Korn, but some of the clones could barely play their instruments. sure, you could make the claim of like, Nirvana, but Kurt made his amateurish guitar playing interesting, using voicings and riff-stylings that most trained musicians couldn't dream up.
whereas metalcore, which I also don't like (almost as much as nu-metal), almost every band has pretty tight musicianship, some filled with virtuoso musicians
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 February 2021 22:56 (three years ago) link
SOAD and Slipknot have chops
― himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Friday, 26 February 2021 22:57 (three years ago) link
wait i need examples of terrible musicianship in nu metal
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 February 2021 22:58 (three years ago) link
yes that is true. Slipknot had more death metally beginnings (from what I've been told, I never did hear Mate Feed Kill Repeat).
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 February 2021 22:58 (three years ago) link
xpost bands like Skrape are who I'm thinking of
the knockoff bands inspired a lot of people who had been playing guitar for ten minutes to form a band.
never forget the local nu-metal concert I went to where one of the bands (Grumpy) was lip synching, and the vocalist wasn't even within ten feet of the microphone. the headliner (Deroot) had their sole guitar player get angry at his guitar and throw it across the stage, and the sound of guitar continued, meaning hew as faintly playing over a loud backing track.
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 February 2021 22:59 (three years ago) link
lmao ok i have literally never heard of skrape
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 February 2021 23:00 (three years ago) link
one of the bands (Grumpy)
omfg
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 February 2021 23:01 (three years ago) link
they literally looked like Slayer but played like shit
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 February 2021 23:04 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2P8bMN1E70
was listening to the korn s/t tonight and wanted to post this track bc it's the core, the heart music of the genre
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 February 2021 23:51 (three years ago) link
absolutely mindbending instrumental bridge on that song
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 February 2021 23:52 (three years ago) link
t/s :
linkin park vs dubstep/edm (recharged)korn vs dubstep (path of totality)
― mark e, Saturday, 27 February 2021 20:43 (three years ago) link
recharged is substantially less good than path of totality. that is pretty easily my least favorite era of linkin park though
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 27 February 2021 20:50 (three years ago) link
i suspected that would be the case.POT really is next level.however, i do like LP and both of their remix albums have some amazing tracks.
― mark e, Saturday, 27 February 2021 20:54 (three years ago) link
reanimation is def one of the best remix albums of all time
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 27 February 2021 20:57 (three years ago) link
absolutely.many years back i used to be very anti-LP cos i was an arse, but somehow i ended up winning their catalogue from the playlouder crew (up to their 'live in texas cd/dvd release).it was reanimation that made me flip and become a fanboy.
― mark e, Saturday, 27 February 2021 21:04 (three years ago) link
btw i have relistened to s.c.i.e.n.c.e. and have decided to admit it into the canon
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 27 February 2021 21:10 (three years ago) link