Re: the Police - go and listen to 'Behind My Camel' off Zenyatta Mondatta and then go and listen to Dodo of 'Abacab'. exact same sort of scuttling crab dance going on there
― would a nit be nice? (NickB), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:22 (three years ago) link
not sure whats up with my use of quote marks there
― would a nit be nice? (NickB), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:23 (three years ago) link
art rock, prog, and new wave collision[
Pretty sure Peter Hamill had a hand in that album.
― enochroot, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:51 (three years ago) link
Yes, he produced it, to some dismay by the band who thought that he had rushed them and not taken their ideas into account while doing the mix.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:55 (three years ago) link
Random Hold probably were the band that tried hardest to actually straddle prog and new wave, to very little acclaim.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:01 (three years ago) link
that description makes me think of It Bites, whose brief dalliance with the charts sounded like a cross between xtc, prefab sprout and yes, except each of those bands at their most annoying
― would a nit be nice? (NickB), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:38 (three years ago) link
Random Hold are harsher than It Bites, and about five years earlier too.I bought the first It Bites album based on a recommendation in Paul Stump's prog rock history The Music's All That Matters. I think he likes bands that depart from the prog rock template, irregardless of whether the music is actually any good. I decided they were a combination of Go West and 80s Yes, though I can hear Prefab Sprout's production in there too.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:47 (three years ago) link
the first It Bites album has a lot of really catchy stuff on it but yeah I can definitely see why someone may not like it
― frogbs, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 23:04 (three years ago) link
The second It Bites record is a gem
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 23:06 (three years ago) link
I've never seen any visuals from their legendary 1974/1975 tour until now. I tried searching on YouTube and found blurry stills and 8mm fragments pieced together over audience recordings. But then I found this guy's site - it's just a handful of still photos, but holy hell does it look awesome:
https://www.jeffreyshawcompendium.com/portfolio/the-lamb-lies-down-on-broadway/
― birdistheword, Monday, 1 March 2021 05:54 (three years ago) link
I should add, the format and presentation brings to mind some of the things Talking Heads would try years later (like "This Must Be the Place" in Stop Making Sense).
― birdistheword, Monday, 1 March 2021 05:55 (three years ago) link
Worth mentioning that The Musical Box use many of those original slides in their recreation of The Lamb.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Monday, 1 March 2021 06:47 (three years ago) link
https://www.jeffreyshawcompendium.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/01.08.002.00.009.B4.jpg
this image seems to have Phil singing and Bill Bruford on drums?
― Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 1 March 2021 07:21 (three years ago) link
yeah that's definitely from the Seconds Out tour
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Monday, 1 March 2021 07:39 (three years ago) link
I got to see the Musical Box do "Lamb" with the original projections and (some of the) original costumes, and it was awesome. You can find some good videos, like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlX4moDYEmA
Like any tribute band they've rotated through some band members, but as I've probably recounted, the first time I saw them their Phil was impeccable, not just talented, not just bald, but left-handed, too! His name is Martin Levac, and I think since the Musical Box he's gone on to become a full-time Phil tribute. Worth a google, he's often uncanny.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 March 2021 14:04 (three years ago) link
I interviewed Martin Levac a number of years ago, and he mentioned the time that Phil Collins guested live on drums for The Musical Box:
“He was very nervous – but we had a chat together, drummer to drummer, and it was cool. He told me that his chops as a drummer were at their peak in 1977 with Brand X – but since then, he’s been concentrating on writing songs, and playing back beats, and that’s what he enjoys doing now. He told me that back then, he had to prove himself as a good drummer. He would listen to jazz and fusion stuff – but after that, he became a pop fan, listening to Motown and so on. He ended the conversation by saying: well Martin, I’m gonna try and make you proud of me tonight. I said: you’re making me proud by just being here today! He was very kind.”
Elsewhere in the interview, Levac made the point that TMB learn their live parts exactly from the original recordings, whereas "Genesis changed things as they went along – especially Phil Collins, who was a very jamming drummer. He had a very jazzy approach, so he used to change his parts all the time. He never played the same song twice the same way.”
This gives context for Collins's guest-spot nerves - as basically, Levac knew his drum parts better than Collins could ever have recalled.
― mike t-diva, Monday, 1 March 2021 15:10 (three years ago) link
I got to see the Musical Box do "Lamb" with the original projections and (some of the) original costumes, and it was awesome.
I don't think this kind of thing would work as well for other rock bands, but ironically what was the main element of criticism at the time makes it possible. I see that internally some band members were wondering if the theatrical elements were pulling too much attention away from the music, but because there's so much of it (and it's all been well-preserved), this is more like a stage revival rather than a typical tribute show (and sure enough, they apparently had to register as one).
― birdistheword, Monday, 1 March 2021 16:39 (three years ago) link
I can see that. I mean, when your lead singer is encased in what is essentially a giant, tumorous scrotum costume for a bunch of the set, then yeah, the music can seem secondary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXaG0OdtRAU
There's a reason why the tool from Tool might be wearing a dumb costume but still often hides in the shadows in the back. No one is there for his dumb costumes.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 March 2021 17:08 (three years ago) link
The Lamb and Selling England are the ones I typically put on most but I've been going back to my Nursery Cryme LP a lot recently, the first I ever got, and I think it's a contender for their best. Every track is good, it flows so well, and "The Musical Box" might be their best song.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 31 July 2021 13:46 (two years ago) link
George Harrison's notorious ex-manager Denis O'Brien just died. His role in Harrison's film work is far from flattering, but I didn't realize he forced "In Too Deep" on to Neil Jordan's Mona Lisa over his vehement objections.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 17:41 (two years ago) link
(which to be clear, was a horrible choice that slowed the movie to a crawl)
Was listening to "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" while I was getting dinner ready. My younger teen walked into the kitchen for a snack, affects a voice and says "ooh, Phil Collins ...", then walks away again. I was impressed! She's got great ears, so possibly was reacting maybe to Peter's voice but I kinda suspect was actually reacting to the sound of the drums!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 January 2022 23:29 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l3-iufiywU
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 19 January 2022 23:31 (two years ago) link
i listened to the pre then there was three material and i could not find much i heard before or liked except pigeons was ok!
― xzanfar, Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:18 (two years ago) link
I just saw this photo of Collins on the current (presumably final) tour. Ugh, it's painful to see him looking so frail. At the last show, he apparently remained seated for the whole time.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 22:26 (two years ago) link
Yeah, I just couldn't do it. I can't believe they released a live album documenting this tour.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 23:41 (two years ago) link
Is there a live album? There's a new comp called The Last Domino.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 10:30 (two years ago) link
My bad, I thought that was the new live album. The track list is (I think by design) really similar to the current set list!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 11:21 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ4XfbpS_bc
― Maresn3st, Sunday, 3 April 2022 20:20 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbIUB-hs6rQ
― Maresn3st, Friday, 15 April 2022 09:54 (two years ago) link
I thought their work was usually split in three: like 1970(or 1967)-1975, 1976-1982 and 1983 on?
― birdistheword, Friday, 15 April 2022 16:33 (two years ago) link
How dare you ignore the Ray Wilson era?
― Fifty Centaur (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 15 April 2022 16:36 (two years ago) link
One album does not an era make
― birdistheword, Friday, 15 April 2022 17:38 (two years ago) link
How about the Ray Wilson anomaly?
― birdistheword, Friday, 15 April 2022 17:39 (two years ago) link
^ worst Ludlum novel EVER
― Fifty Centaur (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 15 April 2022 18:46 (two years ago) link
To me 1983 makes more sense as the cutoff of phase 2. S/T has more in common with Abacab than it does with invisible touch
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 22:20 (two years ago) link
1983 on wouldn't be much of a phase though really.
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 21 April 2022 10:06 (two years ago) link
pre-1997 was their 'Laughing Gnome' phase
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 21 April 2022 10:20 (two years ago) link
There's a 5CD box, BBC Broadcasts, coming out from Rhino this Friday. Looks pretty great:
TracklistingAll tracks previously officially unreleased except where indicated.
5CD Set
CD1 01 Shepherd - Night Ride 1970 (previously released on ‘Genesis Archive 1967–75’)02 Pacidy - Night Ride 1970 (previously released on ‘Genesis Archive 1967–75’)03 Let Us Now Make Love - Night Ride 1970 (previously released on ‘Genesis Archive 1967–75’)04 Fountain Of Salmacis - Paris 197205 Musical Box - Paris 197206 Stagnation - Sounds Of ‘70 1971 (previously released on ‘Genesis Archive 1967–75’)07 Harlequin - Peel Jan 1972 08 Get Em Out By Friday - Peel sept 1972 09 Harold The Barrel - Peel sept 197210 Twilight Alehouse - Peel sept 197211 Watcher of the Skies - In Concert 1975
CD201 Squonk - Knebworth 197802 Burning Rope - Knebworth 197803 Dance On A Volcano - Knebworth 197804 Drum Duet - Knebworth 197805 Los Endos - Knebworth 197806 Deep In The Motherlode - Lyceum 198007 Dancing With The Moonlit Knight - Lyceum 198008 Carpet Crawlers - Lyceum 198009 One For The Vine - Lyceum 198010 Behind The Lines - Lyceum 198011 Duchess - Lyceum 198012 Guide Vocal - Lyceum 198013 Turn it On Again - Lyceum 198014 Dukes Travels - Lyceum 198015 Dukes End - Lyceum 1980
CD 301 Say It’s Alright Joe - Lyceum 198002 The Lady Lies - Lyceum 198003 Ripples - Lyceum 198004 In The Cage - Lyceum 198005 The Raven - Lyceum 1980 06 Afterglow - Lyceum 198007 Follow You, Follow Me - Lyceum 198008 I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) - Lyceum 198009 The Knife - Lyceum 198010 Mama - Wembley 1987 (previously released on ‘Genesis Live 1973-2007)11 Domino - Wembley 1987 (previously released on DVD only ‘Live At Wembley Stadium’) CD 401 That’s All - Wembley 1987(previously released on ‘Genesis Live 1973-2007)02 The Brazilian - Wembley 1987 (previously released on DVD only ‘Live At Wembley Stadium’)03 Throwing It All Away - Wembley 1987 (previously released on DVD only ‘Live At Wembley Stadium’)04 Home By The Sea - Wembley 1987 (previously released on DVD only ‘Live At Wembley Stadium’)05 Second Home By The Sea - Wembley 1987 (previously released on DVD only ‘Live At Wembley Stadium’)06 Invisible Touch - Wembley 1987 (previously released on DVD only ‘Live At Wembley Stadium’)07 Drum Duet - Wembley 1987 (previously released on DVD only ‘Live At Wembley Stadium’)08 Los Endos - Wembley 1987 (previously released on DVD only ‘Live At Wembley Stadium’)09 Not About Us - NEC 1998 10 Dividing Line - NEC 1998
CD501 No Son of Mine - Knebworth 199202 Driving The Last Spike - Knebworth 199203 Old Medley - Knebworth 199204 Fading Lights - Knebworth 199205 Hold On My Heart - Knebworth 199206 I Can’t Dance - Knebworth 1992
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 2 March 2023 00:53 (one year ago) link
Good stuff here:https://www.vulture.com/2023/03/interview-tony-banks-genesis-phil-collins.html
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 March 2023 01:54 (one year ago) link
a sterner editor wd have nipped off the opening and the first (very bad) paragraph
― mark s, Thursday, 23 March 2023 10:33 (one year ago) link
then they would have asked Banks "why does everybody hate you?"
― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 March 2023 10:45 (one year ago) link
tbf i think the exchange re graham norton kinda (ie in a kindlier way) gets at that :)
either way the paragraph that starts "with genesis ending" is the proper opening paragraph, get it together vulture subs
― mark s, Thursday, 23 March 2023 10:52 (one year ago) link
That interview's a really nice read though, thanks for posting.
― Valentijn, Thursday, 23 March 2023 11:54 (one year ago) link
"Genesis ending" has poetic resonance because genesis literally means beginning, do you SEE
If they covered Cole Porter's "Begin the Beguine" it would be yet more poignant.
Trenchant, even
― carne asana (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 23 March 2023 13:47 (one year ago) link
it's nice to see banks' thoughts on a lot of these tracks, particularly things like Stagnation which he obviously liked enough to keep in various 'old medleys' for many many years.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 23 March 2023 14:11 (one year ago) link
Nice read!
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 23 March 2023 14:25 (one year ago) link
"It’s not like we’re Dave Brubeck trying to do funny time signatures for the sake of it"
lol come on dude
― mark s, Thursday, 23 March 2023 14:54 (one year ago) link
The mention of a new 53-track collection of previously unreleased material had me salivating but in fact this is just the BBC Broadcasts with 11 tracks taken from BBC sessions and a bunch of live stuff which has already been bootlegged. Nothing to see here, move along.
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Thursday, 23 March 2023 15:13 (one year ago) link