"Beyond" is the best track on this IMO
― eisimpleir (crüt), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:40 (three years ago) link
instant crush is good too. i always forget about that one.
'touch' is def not a song without development.
get lucky feels somewhat static though, despite all the different sections. the developments there feel too minimal and the melody isnt that strong.
― candyman, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:41 (three years ago) link
the present has no ribbon
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link
this album is too long
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:44 (three years ago) link
wurrup all night
― eisimpleir (crüt), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:46 (three years ago) link
"Instant Crush" is the most boring track they ever did.
― avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:47 (three years ago) link
"Get Lucky" is still fine but it's among the rare disco songs that is markedly better in single edit form.
wow "beyond" rules, i always forget
the live drums on this album are a treat throughout
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:48 (three years ago) link
the vocal mix in "Instant Crush" is really weird — the dry vocal peeking out at like 5% volume underneath the vocoder — but the synth riffs in the chorus are fantastic
― eisimpleir (crüt), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:49 (three years ago) link
xp the pedal steel!!
the fucking robot voices ruin lose yourself to dancewtf they're the best bit, one of the best bits of this very good album.
― ledge, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
i'll just keep playing BACKthese fragments of time
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 17:04 (three years ago) link
I’m convinced ’Lose Yourself To Dance’ is a long lost ‘Hot Space’ offcut
― X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 17:05 (three years ago) link
i feel like i should be more suspicious of this record than i am. it's like... explicitly a nostalgia project, to the point where it's like they recreated the very appendix of sounds and ideas they used to make discovery. but on that level it's still interesting to me as a deconstruction
i'm sure i sound like someone who thinks daft punk are beyond reproach but idk i think it's pretty awesome that they have four records that are their own hived-off soundworlds that regardless feel like they were made by the same two people (the uniting sensibility beyond their shared taste may be their perverse sense of humor which they push so far that it kind of inverts into a form of earnestness?)
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 17:37 (three years ago) link
The chorus-verse balance on this track always seemed off to me.
― skip, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 17:43 (three years ago) link
i like the last song
― nxd, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 18:12 (three years ago) link
― brimstead, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 18:16 (three years ago) link
_the fucking robot voices ruin lose yourself to dance_wtf they're the best bit, one of the best bits of this very good album.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 18:18 (three years ago) link
I'm getting the impression that I'm the only person whose favorite track here is Giorgio by Moroder?
― lukas, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 18:18 (three years ago) link
I'm a fan of this album and have listened to it regularly ever since it came out.
― everything, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link
""Get Lucky" is still fine but it's among the rare disco songs that is markedly better in single edit form."
Even better in instrumental form.
― candyman, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:27 (three years ago) link
I have a real soft spot for Touch, which hints at the overblown camptastic ELO-meets-Jesus Christ Superstar disco-prog concept musical I wish RAM could have been
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:02 (three years ago) link
If I were to rearrange the album a bit, I'd be tempted to have Touch either first or second, lose Giorgio (sorry Giorgio), and maybe not have it herky-jerking quite so hard between the happy-clappy pop numbers and the rainy-day robot ones.
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:05 (three years ago) link
otm xp
― nxd, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:05 (three years ago) link
I loved Get Lucky when it came out (sound of the summer!) and I've got really good memories associated with it. But working in radio I had to listen to it at least once or twice every day for years and I can't even recognise it as music any more
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:08 (three years ago) link
"not have it herky-jerking quite so hard between the happy-clappy pop numbers and the rainy-day robot ones."
Yes, defo. The sequencing was almost automated.
― candyman, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:09 (three years ago) link
It's my favourite as well, followed by Touch and then Fragments.
The prices for the vinyl on Discogs have gone crazy, by the way.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:14 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w-8_ycfkDw
This is really cool.
Unfortunately, it also means that there is stuff on Clubhouse I want to listen to. So that sucks.
― lukas, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:19 (three years ago) link
(that's Disclosure, Zane Lowe, Todd Edwards and Nile Rodgers chatting)
in the promo vid where "track of the summer" originated, they were referring to "Lose Yourself to Dance" (see 10:43):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da_Yp9BOCaI
― eisimpleir (crüt), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:38 (three years ago) link
DL is referencing Limmy
― stilt in the wings (sic), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:47 (three years ago) link
yes and Limmy is referencing the media hype around Random Access Memories where "sound of the summer" became a ubiquitous phrase wrt "Get Lucky"
― eisimpleir (crüt), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:57 (three years ago) link
commercial radio and music PR talking about the "sound of the summer" predates that video by many decades!
― stilt in the wings (sic), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:10 (three years ago) link
Also, "Get Lucky" didn't even win the "song of the summer" contest that year.
― avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:40 (three years ago) link
think its a limmy ref
― nxd, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:53 (three years ago) link
Lukas you are not alone sir
― We’re Up All Night To Get Lochte (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:55 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRvaUKz2bHs
this is for Raymond and mike t- only
― lukas, Thursday, 25 February 2021 04:37 (three years ago) link
when i was complaining about some of this being static/dragging, the tracks i was thinking about were "give life back to music", "the game of love", "within", "doin' it right"... even "beyond" doesn't do that much... the album edit of "get lucky" is the rare disco extended mix that doesn't need to exist too and neither "lose yourself to dance" or "instant crush" justify their near-6-minute runtimes
i like instant crush a fair bit, mostly because i love julian's songwriting sensibilities, but it still sounds overly soft and anemic and just drags. i would like it a lot more if it were just a strokes song or even a julian solo song phrazes for the young style. the single edit of "get lucky" is fine but not good enough to survive how horribly it was overplayed. "lose yourself to dance" had potential but it doesn't quite pull off what it's going for, even in the single edit. pharrell's vocal is part of the problem there for sure.
i also just hate a lot of the drumming on this album lol, it's just too like jazz-fusiony and that's not really what i want out of the sort of soft rock they're drawing on idk.
it's a very frustrating album because i'm very sympathetic to most of their reference points here (except the middle of "touch" is absolutely not my thing) but it just doesn't come together for the most part. the soft rock ballads are nowhere near as good as "something about us" which was carried by it's production - if it was done in a similar retro pastiche style it'd also seem much weaker i think. the general slickness of everything feels hollow, it doesn't have the sort of richness of sound you can luxuriate in get from the things they're referencing.
― ufo, Thursday, 25 February 2021 05:16 (three years ago) link
The thing about get lucky is that the album already has give life back to myself which does everything get lucky does but with more joy, exuberance, and effortlessness than get lucky. That song makes you feel so good whereas get lucky is so mild and reserved in comparison.
― candyman, Thursday, 25 February 2021 06:18 (three years ago) link
*give life back to music
― candyman, Thursday, 25 February 2021 06:19 (three years ago) link
https://thequietus.com/articles/29614-film-daft-punk-electroma
Had no idea Epilogue was lifted from Electroma (which apparently I should see)
― lukas, Thursday, 25 February 2021 06:40 (three years ago) link
If anyone gaf, had a go at doing a "God Mode" edit of the RAM tracklisting and I'm fairly happy with this. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6cZYXFFccs2qm9PSoVQSMX?si=JDYrpL_mQCS3kzaOWzWZ-A&utm_source=copy-link
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 25 February 2021 09:45 (three years ago) link
starting off with touch is brave. doubt anyone GAF, but mine is give life back..., lose yourself, girorgio, touch, within, game of love, motherboard, contact, beyond, instant crush, fragments of time, doing it right.
― candyman, Thursday, 25 February 2021 10:09 (three years ago) link
TouchGive Life Back To MusicDoin' It RightThe Game Of LoveInstant CrushMotherboardLose Yourself To DanceFragments Of TimeBeyondGet LuckyContact
So, ditched Giorgio (so sorry Giorgio!). Had to choose between cutting Within or Game Of Love as they do roughly the same thing, and felt a bit bad for it. Was also tempted to cut either Motherboard or Beyond, but I think they sound okay where they are.
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 25 February 2021 10:09 (three years ago) link
actually, im not sure i need contact or motherboard tbh. they would be great b sides though.
― candyman, Thursday, 25 February 2021 10:34 (three years ago) link
Yeah, Contact and Motherboard are good in themselves but they can feel like interludes/fillers/surplus in context.
Contact is like a Mogwai 2000-style post-rock builder. It doesn't really fit in with the rest of the album, so I can see why they tacked it on the end. Motherboard is a contemplative interlude that also gives me early-2000s chillout vibes, or like something off of 10,000Hz. I do like it though, it's really lush.
Trying to rework the tracklist hammers-home how long a lot of these songs are, and how much more I'd love this album if they'd been trimmed down to about 3-4 mins each. Both the above tracks would fit nicely if they were much shorter.
I think "Lose Yourself To Dance" is a good song ("GUITAR!"), but does it need to be 6 minutes long? By the time the robot voices start singing "Come on, come on, come on, come on", it feels less like they're encouraging me than imploring me to dance. "Everybody's dancing on the floor", no everybody's got tired and gone to the bar.
More positively, it reveals just how diverse the album is - yes, there's the much-mooted post-disco/funk thing, but there's a huge amount of other influences from post-rock to jazz to chill-out to electro to musicals to prog etc. The only problem is that it tries to pull the same tricks twice. There are a lot of "twins" here: Game of Love/Within; Instant Crush/Doin' It Right; Motherboard/Beyond; Give Life Back To Music/Get Lucky etc...
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 25 February 2021 11:30 (three years ago) link
I think fondly toward this album but haven't played it since 2014: would probably enhance the fondness more by listening to a supercut than the whole thing
― stilt in the wings (sic), Thursday, 25 February 2021 11:36 (three years ago) link
Okay, after a bit of thought and as per candyman's suggestion, i've culled "Contact" and ended on "Get Lucky", ending the album on an upbeat note and implying that the music will carry on all night. Also means you don't have to skip it if you're ABSOLUTELY TIRED OF IT. Also means the album comes in at 55 mins which is ideal album length in my book.
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 25 February 2021 12:16 (three years ago) link
Touch has to be right before Get Lucky imo because the last quiet piano chord on Touch flows into the Bmin7 at the start of Get Lucky
― hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Thursday, 25 February 2021 21:41 (three years ago) link
who let the nerdlinger in
― stilt in the wings (sic), Thursday, 25 February 2021 21:43 (three years ago) link