I was kidding about the Times--Meatloaf's just one word, you can't split it up. It'd by like filing Blowfly in the 'F' section.
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 February 2021 17:40 (three years ago) link
I'm wrong! It is two words. My joke is salvaged.
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 February 2021 17:41 (three years ago) link
I thought he does spell it as 2 capitalized words?xp ah
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 February 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link
xxp Anglo-Saxon(?) They’re just not uncommon surnames in the US. No one is named “Loaf.”
― stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Saturday, 20 February 2021 17:49 (three years ago) link
Ha: https://www.ancestry.ca/name-origin?surname=loaf&geo_a=r&geo_s=us&geo_t=ca&geo_v=2.0.0&_ga=2.219026577.921939885.1613843597-1391661623.1613843597&o_iid=41015&o_lid=41015&o_sch=Web+Property
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 February 2021 17:54 (three years ago) link
To me, it makes more sense to look at the first names. Does Howlin' make sense as a stand-alone name without Wolf? Did people actually address him as Howlin'?
Muddy Waters is also a two-word phrase, of course, but it's easier to imagine Muddy (rhymes with Buddy) as a stand-alone name.
From an interview:
"All of a sudden I became Muddy Waters. You know? Just overnight. People started to speakin', hollerin' across the streets at me. When they used to hardly say good morning, you know. I could walk down the street--'Hey, Muddy! Hey, Muddy! There go Muddy!"
― jaymc, Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:13 (three years ago) link
I'm almost positive my entire rationale for any of this traces to the first (red) Rolling Stone Record Guide: they have both Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters filed under 'W' in their blues section. Elsewhere, Captain Beefheart is filed under 'B', the Captain & Tennille under 'C', Meat Loaf and Mama Cass under 'M'. They seem not to have given inconsistencies a great deal of thought.
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:18 (three years ago) link
Captain & Tennille is easy, of course that’s under “C.” I can see why Beefheart would be a toss-up, though I would probably also use “B.”
― stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:21 (three years ago) link
Howlin' Wolf under 'H', Captain Beefheart under 'C', because they are titles, not names. Muddy Waters under 'W', Iggy Pop under 'P', because they are names, even though they are pseudonyms.Cat Stevens under 'S', even though everyone called him Steve in the 70s.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:35 (three years ago) link
Dr. John under 'D', also a title rather than a name.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:37 (three years ago) link
Iggy and the Stooges under 'I', Alice Cooper 1969-1974 under 'A', because they are group names.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:38 (three years ago) link
So you separate Raw Power from the other Stooges records?
― stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:39 (three years ago) link
Fwiw I always file Bob Dylan under W because his real name is Lucky Wilbury.
― illumi-naughty (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:47 (three years ago) link
Yes, and separate from the Iggy Pop solo records too.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:49 (three years ago) link
Where do you guys file MC / DJ ______ artists?
― stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Saturday, 20 February 2021 19:03 (three years ago) link
The only one I own is DJ Shadow, under 'D', although I can see how someone with a lot would use a different filing system.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 February 2021 19:10 (three years ago) link
Howlin' Wolf was Howlin' Wolf, this is canon
https://i.imgur.com/Yfek1IB.jpeg
― Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Saturday, 20 February 2021 19:43 (three years ago) link
TS: Miles vs (Col)trane
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 February 2021 19:55 (three years ago) link
where the fuck is count basie
― Left, Saturday, 20 February 2021 19:58 (three years ago) link
for that matter where the fuck is Count Bass D?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:08 (three years ago) link
I hate every count I see from Count Base D to Count Base E
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:11 (three years ago) link
Pumpkins, Smashing
― Siegbran, Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:31 (three years ago) link
Smiling politely, Homer Simpson
― stilt in the wings (sic), Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:36 (three years ago) link
I have legit seen Jane Eyre alphabetized under E, y'all.
― illumi-naughty (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:56 (three years ago) link
I have separate shelves for the nobility, in order of rank. It goes foughly like this:
King MissileQueen Latifah Duke EllingtonCount BasieEarl "Fatha" HinesSir Mix-a-lotCommon
Generally these are shelved after Eric Clapton, because royalty is only subject to God.
― illumi-naughty (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 20 February 2021 21:04 (three years ago) link
Foughly should be roughly
Also Bobbie Gentry goes before Common
― illumi-naughty (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 20 February 2021 21:14 (three years ago) link
Haha
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 February 2021 21:29 (three years ago) link
Where do John Squire and Jordan Knight fit in?
― stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Saturday, 20 February 2021 21:31 (three years ago) link
All of the options are fine except the Foo Fighters. Voted "who cares?"
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 20 February 2021 22:00 (three years ago) link
Filing the Foo Fighters under who-cares makes perfect sense to me.
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 February 2021 22:04 (three years ago) link
This thread is the Rock Hall's greatest claim to fame.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 February 2021 22:55 (three years ago) link
If it's your own collection, just file them where you'd immediately think they'll be - you shouldn't have to think it over, it's for your own convenience. I guess I file them 'correctly,' but I was already used to the correct filing from libraries, stores, etc.
― birdistheword, Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:17 (three years ago) link
the reason I compared Foo Fighters to Jack Morris upthread, flawed as it was, as it seems like they're getting it purely on longevity, for being a 'decent enough' band that managed to last 25+ years.
which is kind of mind blowing to me, as I never expected them to have that kinda career arc when I first listened to them in the 90s. I don't think anybody was convinced they'd really be an ongoing thing until Colour came out and blew up.
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:48 (three years ago) link
fwiw it’s not just that they’ve been around, it’s that they’ve been around and been popular the whole time. foo fighters have 14 mil spotify monthly listeners, which i think is the most of any post-grunge group from their era.
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Sunday, 21 February 2021 00:06 (three years ago) link
It's not just that they've been around and been popular the whole time, it's that they've embraced this role of torchbearers of the Rock'N'Roll™ brand.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 21 February 2021 00:21 (three years ago) link
Build it a museum and establish guitar camps to teach it to kids
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 21 February 2021 00:23 (three years ago) link
They defined the sound of modern rock radio, to the degree that you know all their hit songs but have no idea who sings them. Because they're so bland it could be anyone.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 21 February 2021 00:26 (three years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 00:01 (three years ago) link
Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse) at 6:26 20 Feb 21They defined the sound of modern rock radio, to the degree that you know all their hit songs but have no idea who sings them. Because they're so bland it could be anyone.I actually think Foo Fighters are very identifiable, I instantly know it's them when I hear a new song
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 00:46 (three years ago) link
Everybody can complain about the Foo Fighters, but it's inevitable - first the grunge bands go in, the britpop bands are next, then the nu-metal bands go in (RATM as the first), and then brace yourself for all the emo bands. Paramore and Coheed & Cambria will be on that stage whether us old farts like it or not.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 08:27 (three years ago) link
Ten years ago, I wrote something to the effect that eventually everyone will be inducted except for England Dan & John Ford Coley. Or at least not both of them.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 12:16 (three years ago) link
Gary Glitter seems unlikely
― Ezra Kleina Nachtmusik (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 13:27 (three years ago) link
“Rock and Roll (Veto)”
― Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 14:11 (three years ago) link
I don't know if the Britpop bands get in except maybe Oasis
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 14:34 (three years ago) link
I don't really think of Fela as rock n roll, but I voted for him anyway
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 14:38 (three years ago) link
he didn't make rock, but he was still fairly influential in the world of rock music
― the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 14:43 (three years ago) link
Recognizing influencers is but one of the things the HoF appears to be trying to do; as I wrote upthread
every rrhof year appears to be trying to do some mixture of the following things1. Belatedly make up for its history of snubbing genres (rap, metal)2. Belatedly make up for its history of snubbing whole categories of humans (POCs, women)3. Belatedly make up for its history of snubbing influencers (vintage blues and soul and R&B)4. Belatedly make up for its history of snubbing contributors (producers, engineers, session people)5. Honor acts that were extremely famous and sold lots of records and filled arenas
1. Belatedly make up for its history of snubbing genres (rap, metal)
2. Belatedly make up for its history of snubbing whole categories of humans (POCs, women)
3. Belatedly make up for its history of snubbing influencers (vintage blues and soul and R&B)
4. Belatedly make up for its history of snubbing contributors (producers, engineers, session people)
5. Honor acts that were extremely famous and sold lots of records and filled arenas
― Ezra Kleina Nachtmusik (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 14:48 (three years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Thursday, 29 April 2021 00:01 (three years ago) link
I'm still operating on 1987 time or something: Devo getting twice as many votes as the New York Dolls is puzzling (insofar as they're vaguely connected: comparing Kate Bush's vote count to the New York Dolls' would be meaningless).
― clemenza, Thursday, 29 April 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link
Devo have at least a handful of hit songs that I would imagine have a healthy afterlife on Spotify. NY Dolls don't really have any hits.
― o. nate, Thursday, 29 April 2021 15:45 (three years ago) link