De La Soul - Classic or Dud?

You can see their post Paul career as a way of fully embracing the regular guy shtick their voices previously only suggested. Eg - trying people. The humour also became less zany and quirky and more regular. In fairness, the first serve album did try to address the decline in clever humour a little bit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug_1_%26_Plug_2_Present..._First_Serve

I need to check out their 2016 album. Totally passed me by.

"Trugoy, he just started going officially by the ludicrous alias "Dave" "

This was a tragic turning point. Though maybe influenced London rapper Dave.

candyman, I agree, they're not much in the way of stylists. No less great for it, mind.

Someone once said that De La Soul were the first rappers whose beats were more important than their words and voices. Is this a controversial take?

i regularly listen to and enjoy most of the music from hip hop group De La Soul

Classic

"Someone once said that De La Soul were the first rappers whose beats were more important than their words and voices. Is this a controversial take?"

That seems a bit off? But idk, I kinda lost some interest when they split from Paul. Stakes is high had some truly boring beats.

I think mc tee was the first though.

I mean, you could go back to Planet Rock

also I reject the entire premise of this revive except brimstead saying classic

absolute classic

I kinda lost some interest when they split from Paul. Stakes is high had some truly boring beats.

this is like the hiphop fan version of "my best friend is black!!"

it could be, if i wasnt listening to a ton of other rap in the 90s, if rap wasnt the main genre i listened to. but then you would prob say thats like 'but my favourite genre is black!'

actually no, i still dont get your analogy.

what? both of you stop

i mean, stakes is high the title track had an amazing beat (also just the best song on there IIRC). the rest though, it was a bit weak.

the internet made a man out of pussies from around my way who usually wouldn't have a fucking thing to say.

classic, obvs.

stakes is high is one of my favorite albums by the beloved hip hop band de la soul
they are rappers

i forgot about 4more and big brother beat.

'This is like the hiphop fan version of "my best friend is black!!"'

The other reason this is wrong is that buhloone mind state is totally unlike the first two albums. It's much more sober, less chaotic, and has none of the earlier playfulness.

It’s also fantastic, as is The Grind Date

buhloone is my favourite

the first four are perfect, and i like a lot of the AOI records too. Much More! Shopping Bags!

not at all playful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWGvQqmBWc8

THERE IS NO R N B IN THIS SONG

They should have just continued doing goofy, silly songs like “My Brother’s a Bashead” and “Millie Pulled a Pistol on Santa”

I can't decide between Buhloone and Art Official Intelligence: Bionix

The other reason this is wrong is that buhloone mind state is totally unlike the first two albums. It's much more sober, less chaotic, and has none of the earlier playfulness.

― candyman, Monday, February 15, 2021 11:56 AM

"oh, i'm sorry. i didn't know we were going back to that."

I enjoy the 1993 album "Buhloone Mind State" from the all-time great rap band De La Soul.
I also enjoy the 2001 album "Art Official Intelligence: Bionix" from the excellent rap band De La Soul.
These album, along with most of their albums, are very good albums.
Thanks for your time!

the all-time great rap band De La Soul

yes.

the excellent rap band De La Soul

also yes.

Yeah, Art Official Intelligence: Bionix was surprisingly good - Mosaic Thump didn't feel like much past a few good singles, so I wasn't sure if they had it in them to make an album like that. The first three, Stakes Is High and Bionix are all excellent-to-great.

i always forget how good Held Down is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2ckWYPMqPc

i thought mosaic thump was disappointing at the time. it's okay, i guess. bionix was a clear and obvious return to form.

even though it was an obvious attempt to get on the radio, i liked "shoomp" a lot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9tEhwnr2qs

shame they didn't end up including it on the grind date. i thought it continued the feel good vibe of bionix perfectly.

"They should have just continued doing goofy, silly songs like “My Brother’s a Bashead” and “Millie Pulled a Pistol on Santa”"

The thing is, buhloone is musically much more of a cynical or at least deflated record than the earlier two, even DLSID. Doesnt take a PhD in hip hop to see that.

More than that though, I think its the album they really sounded like mature adults.

what d'you know about music, hamster penis?

I've forgotten more than you'll ever know buttcrust

you're starting to sound just like mc shan.

how does BM sound "cynical"?

for real, that's legitimately ridiculous. it's not.

nothing de la ever did could be considered truly "cynical." not after de la soul is dead.

I feel like cynical is a word people use about music when they want to criticize something but don't really have anything concrete

hella cynical of you to say that

Cynicism is curdled sentimentality: a bitterness that the world didn't turn out the way you expected.

Buhloone Mindstate is cynical?

My name is Cynical, I be 4'11"

I like some of De La's stuff but their voices have always been the biggest stumbling block for me

Sometimes ppl say something is “cynical,” when what they mean is that they have a cynical view of the motives behind it. This can be confusing

wtf wrong with their voices lol

"shit imagine if there wasn't no us huh"

classic

also

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Buhloone Mindstate is not cynical - if they sound angry or downbeat in places it's because they care, not because they don't

yeah this voices thing is weird, I have no idea what that is about