nick sylvester = maker upper

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He's everywhere, he's everywhere!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:07 (twenty years ago)

now i realize she was just yes-laddering me

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:08 (twenty years ago)

"drop the zero and get with the hero there svetlana or whatever the fuck your name is."

ham'ron (dubplatestyle), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:08 (twenty years ago)

"your dj kicks sucked"

NEGGED (Mark P), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)

"dj kicks? I thought you said teenage kicks!"

mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:11 (twenty years ago)

"i've got cocaine."

ham'ron (dubplatestyle), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

"Do you have a sister?"

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:15 (twenty years ago)


http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15

George 'the Animal' Steele, Friday, 3 March 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

He's got a book deal?

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Tony Yayo: The Untold Story

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:28 (twenty years ago)

"He'll still get a book deal"

dan. (dan.), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Usually Sylvester writes pretentious, garbled, mumbo-jumbo name-dropping music reviews, and some have speculated that the poor kid just got in over his head.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:29 (twenty years ago)

All this "confused wunderkind at twentysomething" talk makes him sound like journalism's Conor Oberst.

Zwan (miccio), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:34 (twenty years ago)

"The poor kid drank too much red wine and was too hungover to finish the story truthfully."

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

they make him sound brain-damaged.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:36 (twenty years ago)

People who should be offended by the "give the kid a break!" shit:

1. journalists
2. harvard graduates
3. people who know you're not supposed to lie in articles

Zwan (miccio), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:37 (twenty years ago)

"He got in over his head" is just about the lamest thing i have ever read. dude knows how to write.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:37 (twenty years ago)

"You see, Billy Mumphry was a simple country boy. Some might say a cock-eyed optimist who got caught up in a dirty game of world diplomacy and international intrigue. Had he not been so enthusiastic, he could have averted disaster."

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:38 (twenty years ago)

"It's a story about love, deception, greed, lust and...unbridled enthusiasm. Well, that's what led to Billy Mumphrey's downfall. "

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:41 (twenty years ago)

"I'm just a caveman. Your world confuses and frightens me!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

2. harvard graduates

Here the offense kind of stems from private "You should be giving ME a break!!!" thoughts.

Dan (Just Saying...) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

You know the Yalies are having a laugh at this.

Zwan (miccio), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:43 (twenty years ago)

pretentious, garbled, mumbo-jumbo name-dropping

course if he'd not used Lookner's name the transgression might have slipped under the radar.

erklie (erklie), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:44 (twenty years ago)

excerpt from the screenplay for Sylvestergate: The True Story

[intertitle]
Village Voice Offices
New York City
March 1, 2006

[fade in with v.o.]
Doug Simmons: It's a tough time for everybody right now. We're just going to take this one step at a time.
Chuck Eddy: Bob and I understand the position he's put us in.
Robert Christgau: It's really unfortunate. The boy showed such promise. So humorous.
Eddy: Smart as a whip.
Simmons: Adorable, too. Okay, let me go call back those Gawker assholes. They just won't quit.
[exit Simmons]
Eddy: Well, you must be pleased, Bob.
Christgau: Chuck, Doug's gone now.
Eddy: Oh, sorry... Dean Christgau.
Christgau: That's better. Now let's get down to fucking business. First thing, any new threats on the radar?
Eddy: Nothing, Dean Christgau.
Christgau: What about this Seward character?
Eddy: Scott's a good guy. He's a big Aerosmith fan.
Christgau: Right. Doesn't sound like anything that's going to excite these New Times fags. Fucking Cohen. Fucking... rat... bastard....
[Christgau gets a faraway look in his eyes]
Christgau: That is a step on which I must fall down, or else o'erleap, for in my way it lies... Stars, hide your fires... let not light see my black and deep desires...
Eddy: Dean Christgau?
Christgau: My apologies! Thinking out loud again. What's going on with Pitchfork?
Eddy: Schreiber's in. He wanted to be a hardass at first, but once he saw the pictures we had of him with the dog, he folded like a little girl. Sylvester's out.
Christgau: Excellent. When we're fucking done with him, Sylvester won't be able to write graffiti. That reminds me, hold on.
[Christgau turns to computer, logs onto ILM, types message]

Hey assholes, looks like your little buddy's career is going down the tubes! Amirite?

-- Dom Passantino ([email protected]), March 1st, 2006.

Eddy: I still don't understand why you do that.
Christgau: Psyops. I'm trying to send Clover around the bend. Alright, let's check in with the secret weapon, shall we?
[Christgau hits the speakerphone and dials number; phone rings, then -- ]
Tom Smith: What's up, bitch?
Christgau: Hello, Tom. It's Bob and Chuck. You're on speakerphone.
Smith: Oh, hey Dino, hey Chuck.
Christgau: Just following up on a job well done. Chuck read me your posting - it was an impressive takedown. Bravo! Breathtaking! A million thanks.
Smith: No worries, man. Nothing hurts like leaked e-mail.
Christgau: I'm pleased to report things are continuing to develop in a promising direction here.
Smith: Hey, I don't need a degree in Ethics to know he's fucked.
[all laugh]
Christgau: Great, great. How's the album coming?
Smith: Awesome. Last night we took all the grounds off the equipment and recorded our own electrocutions. It was fucking sweet.
Christgau: Well, we appreciate what you've done for us. I think you're going to have a good semester, Tom. I predict an A+ for Editors.
Smith: Uh, don't you mean "from the editors?"
Christgau: No, no, for Editors. Your band, Editors.
Smith: This is Tom Smith. From To Live And Shave In LA? You know, crazy noise dude? Motherfuck a zeitgeist!
[Christgau mutes phone]
Christgau: What the fuck is going on here?
[Eddy shrugs. Christgau unmutes.]
Christgau: Sorry, Tom. You'll have to allow an old man his lapses... just get your CD to Chuck and he'll take care of everything.
Smith: OWWW! FUCK!
Christgau: Hello?
Smith: FUCK! FUCKING CRACK WHORE! SHIT!
Christgau: Are you alright Tom?
Smith: I... I gotta situation here, Dino. I'm gonna have to... FUCK!
[click]
Christgau: He's an odd duck. What's the latest off the wire?
Eddy: The story's selling like hotcakes. Drudge, The Times, Boston Globe, NPR. We're still talking to CNN. The bloggers are going nuts.
[Christgau bangs desk with a fist]
Christgau: Hot damn! Wait until we unload the video of Nick lip-synching to Skrewdriver.
Eddy: Just, uh, one small problem.
Christgau: Well?
Eddy: ILMers are comparing him to Swift and Twain. We could have some kind of grassroots revolution on our hands here. He's like the Che Guevara of satire.
[Christgau rises out of his chair]
Christgau: What did you just say to me? Fuck ILM! Fuck them right in the bloghole! Sylvester's a fucking bug! A cockroach! I'm going to scrape him off my shoe! He cried, Chuck, we made him cry. I've never heard a more... pleasurable sound.
[Christgau removes his glasses and leans forward intently]
Christgau: Look, I've been doing this a long, long time. In some industries, men have to fucking claw and scratch their way to the top of the pile. In this business, I AM the fucking pile. Do you understand? And I'm not about to let a little ass-kissing Harvard entitlement pissant like Sylvester get in the way. I haven't decried the hegemony of white privilege in music for 30 years so he can waltz in here and treat rappers like dancing monkeys for the pleasure of those New Times whores of Babylon! I see the writing on the wall! This is war. "Men rise from one ambition to another; first, they seek to secure themselves against attack, then they attack others." Do you know who said that, Chuck?
Eddy: Umm... Slayer! No, wait… Varg Vikernes?
Christgau: Ah, Chuck. How you amuse me.
Eddy: Is all this really necessary, Dean Christgau? I mean, Nick's just a kid... an adorable kid.
Christgau: Oh, shut up, Chuck.
Eddy: I just think -
Christgau: Shut up, Chuck.
Eddy: - what we're -
Christgau: Shut up, Chuck.
Eddy: - it's -
Christgau: Shut up, Chuck.
Eddy: Okay.
Christgau: Just leave the thinking to me, and everything will be alright.
[long pause]
Christgau: Lunch?
Eddy: Sbarro?
Christgau: Let's do it.
[fade out]

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:46 (twenty years ago)

haha I just looked at Lookner's IMDb page and he wrote an episode of Seinfeld! unfortunately not the Billy Mumphrey one.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

though the idea that Sylvester's downfall was the irresistable urge to namedrop the head writer from "Last Call With Carson Daly" is pretty funny

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

it's funny because it's true

Zwan (miccio), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:49 (twenty years ago)

that wasn't an x-post, btw

Zwan (miccio), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

you know carson daly is pulling all the strings in this escapade

erklie (erklie), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:54 (twenty years ago)

I've heard the second act of Sylvestergate ends with him shivving Christgau

erklie (erklie), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:58 (twenty years ago)

in the third act we cross the 1,000 post threshold (we can doo it guyz)

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:00 (twenty years ago)

I only hope you guys have even half as much fun when my Russian love child scandal breaks.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:07 (twenty years ago)

did you fabricate a russian love child?

ham'ron (dubplatestyle), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:11 (twenty years ago)

shhhh that was gonna be the surprise!

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:12 (twenty years ago)

"It sucks that Al tricked all those people into giving toys to little Andrei, but I'm keeping him on. A little slow, but the kid's got moxie!" - Jess

Zwan (miccio), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

a big stack of Pooski magazine isn't a fact-checking dept.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

oh by the way Jess I need to pitch you a story about my Russian love child's new record (xp)

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

the thread that keeps on giving

ham'ron (dubplatestyle), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Lil' Andrei's "трудно быть младенцем 2000"

Zwan (miccio), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:17 (twenty years ago)

it IS difficult to be the baby

ham'ron (dubplatestyle), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:21 (twenty years ago)

hahahaha

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:22 (twenty years ago)

From: Neil Strauss
To: Conrad Tenwick

Hi Conrad,

I was talking to a writer who was working on a now-controversial
story in this week's Village Voice about The Game. Part of it had
to do with a blogger named Dolly who had read the book and caught a
pickup artist using the lines in a bar. Later that night, she made
out with him nonetheless.

So it made me think: I've received hundreds of emails from guys
fretting that if the book or the community get too well-known, the
game won't work anymore.

So I did some thinking about that.

First of all, everyone knows how to diet, but not everyone does it.
Most of the people who read about these ideas and techniques won't actually put them into action. (Instead, they'll procrastinate by writing letters worrying about too many people finding out about the techniques.)

The fact is, the game will always work. It's just that some of the
wording to the scripts may have to change -- and that's only for
those who use the scripts for "training."

For example:

What's one of the most cliché pickup lines in the world?

The corniest, cheesiest one?

That's right: It's "What's your sign?"

If you walk up to a girl and say, "What's your sign?" she'll know
you're delivering a rehearsed pickup line from some bad 70's TV show.

But guess what? "What's Your Sign" is almost exactly like the
openers and DHVs (demonstrations of higher value) in The Game.

There was a point when "What's your sign" was not a corny way to
start a conversation. It was a non-sexual opener: a means of breaking the ice with strangers without hitting on them. It was a current topic, exciting and interesting. (As Mystery once put it, the best subjects for conversations are relationships and the unknown.) Furthermore, it was a way of demonstrating value. Instead of saying "let's ball" (or whatever the lingo was at the time), you were showing that you were spiritual and had interesting knowledge to offer.

In the parlance of the seduction community, it was a neutral entertaining opener with DHV spikes built in.

And, sure, we all know it's outdated and cheesy. But isn't it
extraordinary how a few minutes into seventy percent of all conversations with women, a discussion of astrology ensues? She'll
probably ask you, "What sign are you?" And if you know a lot about
astrology, it's actually a demonstration of higher value.

(Note to logical, empirical, factual men: Don't say, "I don't
believe in that bullshit." Cynicism and negativity are two traits
to avoid when meeting a woman, even if you think they make you seem
"cool.")

When I was researching the book, I spent hours in Miami with a PUA
named Maddash, who gave me a long tutorial on astrology. He taught
me what all the signs meant, what the twelve houses were all about,
how to identify astrological trends in people's lives, and how to
determine sign compatibility.

Whether or not I believed in astrology was immaterial: I now knew a
lot about it. And it made for great conversation, connection, and
value when I was meeting people.

So the epiphany I had was: "What's your sign" STILL WORKS. It will
always work.

Everything will always work. If people find out about it, all you
have to do is change the way you say it and perhaps when you say it.

For example, if saying, "Hey guys, I need a quick opinion on
something" telegraphs that you're delivering a pickup line because
the women read about it in a magazine, no worries. Just change it
to: "I need some quick help settling a debate." If opinion openers
don't work anymore, save the question for later in the
conversation. I already have three other types of openers I've come
up with that I'm waiting for the right time to release. And if I
can come up with alternatives, I've got a feeling YOU can too.

In the bigger picture, the thing that's important to remember is:
There is no such thing as a pickup line. The language and wording
don't matter. What's important is the intent behind them. The
Jealous Girlfriend opener works not because it's the Jealous
Girlfriend opener, but because it's a way to start an animated
conversation with a group of people without hitting on anyone. So
as long as you can always do that, you've got nothing to worry about.

Knowledge will not change the fundamentals of how women and men are
attracted to each other. To make a bad comparison: Guys who like big
breasts tend to be into women with fake breasts; it doesn't
even matter to them that they're NOT REAL. They still flip the same
attraction switches that natural ones do.

In the world of mating, perception is reality. And attraction, in
the words of David DeAngelo, is not a choice.

Yours,
Neil

PS Coming up next time: C-shaped smiles versus U-shaped smiles
EXPLAINED. Yes, I've been reading your letters!

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:41 (twenty years ago)

FYI: New Times papers are famous for running fake cover stories, sly, subtly done parodies meant to goof on public officials and community discourse. When i was in Phoenix, they did a great bullshit story on how environmetalists were blocking the construction of a new football stadium in Glendale due to the discovery to five extremely rare baby turtles. Everyone else in the local media bought it ... one ididot TV producer even put it into that night's cast without vetting it first.

Now, they usually come clean about the fakes the next week, and they're hardcore about keeping the real stories real ... but at least Nick's got one possible reason to remain on staff there. He's a smart kid with instinctual reporting skills who got carried away ...

Chris O., Friday, 3 March 2006 20:02 (twenty years ago)

That last sentence was a parody, yes?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:10 (twenty years ago)

It's hard to separate the comedy from the tragedy in this thread.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:12 (twenty years ago)

not so much really.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:12 (twenty years ago)

I'm not surprised that this happened, and though Nick is at fault, I think that there's enough blame to go around. I can't personally speak for those at the voice, but few in Alt-Weekly seems to appreciate the differences between a music critic/satirist and a journalist, and I would be surprised if Lacy allows Eddy to continue to privilege the former. My own personal experiences with the New Times tells me that music criticism is not held in very high regard, though there are good examples of it in their papers, and that they are constantly trying to marginalize or do away with music criticism all together.

I don't know the history of this story, but I wouldn't be surprised if this didn't reflect growing pains arising from the merger.

Apologies for being so off-topic.

s>c>, Friday, 3 March 2006 20:15 (twenty years ago)

> they're hardcore about keeping the real stories real

like that's something you should have to make a special effort to do

"we'll run half real news and half The Onion, you guess which is which"

great idea

Renard (Renard), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:19 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, WTF.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:23 (twenty years ago)

I want my money back goddamn it.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:26 (twenty years ago)


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