does richman’s later stuff have that same creepy vibe? it’s been a while since i listened to any of it but it seemed like he went off in a pretty different direction.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:07 (three years ago) link
yeah, jr's an eccentric guy — maybe it was intentional?
also have to agree that just the overall sound and sonic aesthetic of pet sounds is pretty schmaltzy. still decent tho.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:09 (three years ago) link
I think this is the most I've ever disagreed with pomenitul!
Alas. I'm sure you've got a (to me) hair-raising musical challop up your sleeve (or two)!
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:10 (three years ago) link
xp I think the later stuff is where he became genuinely “childlike” (to circle back above); I haven’t heard much of it, though.To expand further on my earlier thought: I think the concept of eating health food at home suuuucks, but it’s interesting to hear a song’s narrator rationalize, “I don’t wanna hang out with your junky ass anyway!”
― excuse me while I fold my pants (morrisp), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:11 (three years ago) link
"wouldn't it be nice" is a queer anthem if you ask me.
yeah and as I said if a queer teenager in 2021 (e.g., my own personal offspring) hears that, then I am on board with that interpretation
I get that Brian himself was neither queer nor incel. But if these readings are gaining resonance 54-55 years onward, then maybe somethiing interesting is going on
But I also don't wanna join in boomer nostalgia-worship, that shit is played out like an eight-track
― pot sounds (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:21 (three years ago) link
Music is more than a Rorschach test imo.
How is this even up for discussion lol
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:26 (three years ago) link
A dial tone can be either The Tired Sounds of Stars of the Lid or London Calling depending on who's listening to it, y'know.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:28 (three years ago) link
music is entirely a Rorschach test
― Dan S, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:30 (three years ago) link
the whole concept of controversial music opinions is an argument for subjectivity, that all expressions of our likes and dislikes are a product of our personalities and experiences and not related to any outside referents
― Dan S, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:31 (three years ago) link
As a matter of fact, there is no such thing as music.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:32 (three years ago) link
I mean, my reaction to Pet Sounds is/was pretty much the complete polar opposite of pomenitul's, down to: my love of PS misled me to believe that i might give a shit about "critically acclaimed music". I mean, there are records i prefer to Pet Sounds but few if any that appear on music critics' lists.
But ok, if you're going to argue that it's "painfully corny", i can't honestly say that "painfully corny" has nothing at all to do with my experience of Pet Sounds
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:33 (three years ago) link
At some point, I will attempt to write something about why I don't think it's corny or juvenile, although if music is purely a Rorschach tests and all responses to it are pure interiority with no relation to outside referents and existence is meaningless, I'm not sure if there's a point. What good would writing do me?
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:38 (three years ago) link
Honestly I find it very easy to put myself in the shoes of people who strongly dislike the music that I love. A given musical quality can fall on one side of the critical divide or the other depending on who's listening, but that doesn't mean we're hearing completely different things, solipsistically.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:39 (three years ago) link
Pet Sounds is a chicken casserole imo.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:40 (three years ago) link
Like, if someone says Gilmour-era Pink Floyd is terminally boring faux-deep dadcore or whatever, I know exactly what they're talking about, even though I myself don't experience it the same way at all.
xp
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:41 (three years ago) link
I'm guessing you mean "Gilmour era" as in "post-Piper" but if you mean the post-Waters Gilmour-led Pink Floyd, that's actually impressive and maybe a controp if you hear none of it that way.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:46 (three years ago) link
I do mean post-Piper, yeah. That wasn't entirely clear, sorry.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:47 (three years ago) link
As a matter of fact, there is no such thing as music.― pomenitul, Monday, February 1, 2021 4:32 PM
― pomenitul, Monday, February 1, 2021 4:32 PM
earlier in this very topic, i believe it was me who declared that all bands are terrible.
i'd like to think the proper way to word this conclusion is:
all bands are terrible, so as a matter of fact, there is no such thing as music.
throw the rorschach thing in there, and yeah: just cut my ears off, we're done here. the whole thing was noting but a stupid thought experiment. cue simpsons clip of comic book guy about to die.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:47 (three years ago) link
Alternatively, 'Talk Talk is just some mumbling self-important bloke singing formless songs with no proper hooks' is also an understandable statement, regardless of how much I might emotionally disagree with it.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:48 (three years ago) link
New board description imo.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:49 (three years ago) link
I wasn't trying to say that opinions about music are worthless, they are what I live for here
― Dan S, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:53 (three years ago) link
When people say a piece of music is "corny" very often what that means ime is that it's overtly emotionally manipulative, PS is totally "guilty" in that sense. And others.
I don't think it's juvenile, but then again i'm extremely juvenile myself.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:59 (three years ago) link
Itt people are presuming that the way to discredit the concept of a rorschach test is to deny the existence of ink and paper
― Qanondorf (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:03 (three years ago) link
Also, *this* is yr new board description:
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:38 (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Bit long for a board description
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:04 (three years ago) link
neither queer nor incel.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:04 (three years ago) link
Fancy seeing you here, deems.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:05 (three years ago) link
Mandated inspection and i dont like it any more'n you men do
― Qanondorf (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:07 (three years ago) link
Juicy ILX drama comes in different shapes and sizes. All of them are deserving imo.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:08 (three years ago) link
What good would writing do me?
pom only knows
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:11 (three years ago) link
:D
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:12 (three years ago) link
Ftr, posts I was responding (admittedly grumpily and unfairly) to were a bit stronger than "our response to music is shaped by our own point of view" and included qualifiers such as "entirely" and "not related to any". Also, I haven't taken a Rorschach test that I recall but aiui Rorschach inkblots are designed to be ambiguous geometric patterns that are not directly representative or expressive. A lot of music is created with rather different intentions and purposes. (I actually like abstracted hyper-formalism myself, though, tbf.)
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:15 (three years ago) link
Music is representational!
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:19 (three years ago) link
That's my controversial opinion
Itt people are presuming that the way to discredit the concept of a rorschach test is to deny the existence of ink and paper― Qanondorf (darraghmac), Monday, February 1, 2021 5:03 PM
― Qanondorf (darraghmac), Monday, February 1, 2021 5:03 PM
what and WHAT!!???!
singing formless songs with no proper hooks― pomenitul, Monday, February 1, 2021 4:48 PM
― pomenitul, Monday, February 1, 2021 4:48 PM
i know this is supposed to be a faux negative critique, but this description will mostly likely have my undivided attention.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:19 (three years ago) link
A+
― pot sounds (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:22 (three years ago) link
"Rorschach inkblots are designed to be ambiguous geometric patterns that are not directly representative or expressive" sounds like a lot of the music I like
― Dan S, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:23 (three years ago) link
Kinda tempted to start a 'Music that sounds like Rorschach inkblots' thread now.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:24 (three years ago) link
Metal Machine Music springs to mind.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:25 (three years ago) link
i think some terry riley would apply as well.
good thread idea, btw.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:29 (three years ago) link
Was sund4r not leaving that out there in his last line tbf, not to be a hater or anything
― Qanondorf (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:36 (three years ago) link
I like some, a little bit, of the following artists' music, but mainly have ngaf about:The Carter FamilyKasey MusgravesTaylor SwiftElvis CostelloU2RadioheadMobyNew Pornographers EminemSarah VaughanVan HalenJudas Priestcookie monster-vacuum cleaner-leaf-blower vocals
― dow, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:42 (three years ago) link
heavy metal is terrible and I am only pretending to like it to get laid and it hasn't happened so I am returning to now listening to my true musical love, which is all Mike and the Mechanics, all the time
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:50 (three years ago) link
Nobody's perfect.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:52 (three years ago) link
say it loudsay it clear
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:54 (three years ago) link
lol neanderthal
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:55 (three years ago) link
beach boys and bruce springsteen are lifelong headscratchers for me. can’t relate to what others see there _at all_. both repulse me on a visceral level like mighty mighty bosstones or something tbh.
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 07:02 (three years ago) link
It’s all those glockenspiels
― Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:23 (three years ago) link
I don't much care for the Boss either aside from Nebraska, so… *high five*
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:24 (three years ago) link
Springsteen. Jesus, I'd rather listen to a leaf blower.
― Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 14:53 (three years ago) link