that's like one step away from Cultural Revolution shit IMHO
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:56 (three years ago) link
THE LOCAL SHOPKEEPER IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:57 (three years ago) link
Home ownership in America is somewhere around 65%.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:57 (three years ago) link
And a home bought in 1981 or whenever in what has since become one of the most valuable real estate markets in the country is going to go way up, even if you never so much as mowed the grass.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:59 (three years ago) link
thing is though, dischord just kind of *happened* like they put out their own 45s and then were like oh we should put out our friend's band and oh cool we broke even, so put out some more stuff and hey cool we made some money let's put out some more recordsthe idea that it was some kind of plan to be a capitalist and not just putting out music they thought should be heard that no one would put out - AND pre-internet when you had to get things manufactured and distribute physical products - seems ahistorical and unfair
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:02 (three years ago) link
and like you actually have to live somewhere, is owning a home morally wrong when the only option is to participate in the rental market? putting money in the hands of some real estate company?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:04 (three years ago) link
Not everyone lives in America, believe it or not.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:08 (three years ago) link
To explain Left's perspective, not Ian Mackaye's living arrangements.
I'm not a marxist-leninist but business owners are capitalists in the most literal descriptive sense and it's true that property ownership is a kind of wealth a lot of people won't ever see. I don't know what's so outrageous, is this still about mackaye or something else
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:11 (three years ago) link
well now that you've downgraded your blanket judgement from "most" to "a lot" I'd say I'm good
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:13 (three years ago) link
again this is like a pragmatist vs idealist debate, like a lot of ILX
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:14 (three years ago) link
yeah if I cared about more than dreaming I would get shit done, anyone can do it as long as they work hard enough and understand that in the real world you have to cut deals
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:20 (three years ago) link
being white / male with a college degree from that generation pretty much guarantees you this kind of net worth
― dean bad (map), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:23 (three years ago) link
guilty of being (rich) white (male)
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:25 (three years ago) link
(from that generation)
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:27 (three years ago) link
these new song titles for the deluxe reissue lay it on a bit thick imho
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:33 (three years ago) link
Anyone with a net worth of a million bucks or more (and MacKaye is probably significantly ahead of that given his career and age) is in fairly rarified air. The median net worth even for Boomers is like $200k and that’s all tied up in their home equity.
It’s a big who cares here but weird to dismiss a rich guy being rich with some hand waving ‘well evvvvvverybody is like that.’
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Thursday, 7 January 2021 20:20 (three years ago) link
lol Simon
I suppose there are some fundamental differences of opinion about what constitutes being rich.
agreed
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 20:24 (three years ago) link
what is the right amount of money to have?I guess to me he's like "normal people rich" as opposed to like CEOs of big companies or investment dudes like my job before this was at a small PR firm, like 11 employees including the owners, they are my reference for normal ppl rich
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2021 20:28 (three years ago) link
some good and interesting takes here but i'll still take the average imperfect and often ineffectual dyed-in-the-wool-cap MRR-style 90s leftist punk - who at least had their hearts and brains in the right place - over their modern counterpart who decries capitalism, corporatization, and wealth inequality while simultaneously sucking at the teet of Netflix, Spotify, Amazon, and Twitter
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 8 January 2021 00:24 (three years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1ZVPOsX0AACj17.jpg
― your passion oozzes from the (ultros ultros-ghali), Friday, 8 January 2021 00:40 (three years ago) link
Rich vs wealthy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA4ufNSE7l0
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 8 January 2021 00:57 (three years ago) link
thing is though, dischord just kind of *happened* like they put out their own 45s and then were like oh we should put out our friend's band and oh cool we broke even, so put out some more stuff and hey cool we made some money let's put out some more records
the idea that it was some kind of plan to be a capitalist and not just putting out music they thought should be heard that no one would put out - AND pre-internet when you had to get things manufactured and distribute physical products - seems ahistorical and unfair
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:02 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:04 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
otm and otm.
I probably spent something like 100$ on Fugazi/Dischord stuff over the past 10 years (with a 15% sales taxe, that's 15 for my two level of governments). That's why he has the net worth he does, that's pretty much it. I don't think there is anything sinister with that sort of transactions.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 8 January 2021 01:05 (three years ago) link
How would you all rate dischord in the pantheon of record labels just in terms of shipping product, keeping things in stock, paying people what they're owed on time, etc...?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 8 January 2021 01:23 (three years ago) link
A+ from all accounts
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 8 January 2021 01:27 (three years ago) link
I listened to the 3hr Bandsplain episode on Fugazi on a recent long drive. I didn't learn a huge amount but Brandon Stosuy is good company and of course the tunes were great. Aside, but this daft Britisher is constantly surprised that Guy's name is pronounced (unvoiced G) Gee Pi-CHOT-oh.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Thursday, 9 September 2021 13:32 (two years ago) link
Ha. This American living in DC area sometimes heard his last name pronounced multiple ways
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 September 2021 15:35 (two years ago) link
I'm reading the 33 1/3 In On the Kill Taker and it's really good. I've had a day listening to lots of Egg Hunt and Rites of Spring. My god what a talented scene.
Has anyone dipped into the live archive? I've not and was hoping someone would know where to start...
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 18 September 2021 20:31 (two years ago) link
This blog may help.
― JRN, Saturday, 18 September 2021 21:43 (two years ago) link
Perfect, cheers.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Sunday, 19 September 2021 08:55 (two years ago) link
The first time I crossed the border from the North of ireland into the Republic was for the McGonagles gig that is talked about on the blog that is linked to by JRN. So 31 years ago last Friday. Thanks wouldn't have thought of that if i hadn't seen that.& I think first time i came to Galway would be within about a week afterwards.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 19 September 2021 10:43 (two years ago) link
I’m still so sad to have missed the initial release (and thus the physical CD editions).
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 19 September 2021 10:51 (two years ago) link
I grabbed the physical editions of at least the first set at the time, and iirc I think they're just CD-Rs (that Joe burned?) with the same basic reused artwork. Though honestly I haven't taken out the actual CDs for years, so maybe they're not CD-Rs? That's how I remember them at least.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 19 September 2021 12:42 (two years ago) link
If I can shill for one second. A friend of mine has just started up a new little bespoke label, and the first release is this collab between Brendan and sound artist Stephen Vitiello.
https://playneutral.bandcamp.com/
― Maresn3st, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 12:03 (two years ago) link
Mods are asleep, post Long Hair Ian: https://www.instagram.com/p/CU5hejWDRHj/
― JRN, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:32 (two years ago) link
xpost: listening now, sounds cool!
― JRN, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:33 (two years ago) link
this is really cool, thanks. Taylor Deupree involvement! and Rebecca Gates is thanked for some reason <3
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:56 (two years ago) link
Also, happy 20th birthday, The Argument!https://www.stereogum.com/2164172/the-argument-turns-20/reviews/the-anniversary/
― fragglerock, Saturday, 16 October 2021 00:17 (two years ago) link
oh no i’m old
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 16 October 2021 00:28 (two years ago) link
The Argument Turns 20
In 15 years of doing Fugazi
Oh shit i never really put these numbers together, that they have not been a band longer than they were. Still by far the band I most regret not seeing live.
― joygoat, Saturday, 16 October 2021 01:48 (two years ago) link
The Vitiello / Canty collab is so great!
― raven, Saturday, 16 October 2021 12:02 (two years ago) link
They were a force of nature live
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 16 October 2021 13:30 (two years ago) link
I saw them three times and every one of those times Ian stopped mid-song to dress down some jackass trying to crowd surf. Money well spent!
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 16 October 2021 13:41 (two years ago) link
I maintain to this day that I saw Ian whallop a stage invader with his guitar when they played Brixton Academy on the Red Medicine tour
― thing that i used to think was cool but now i just don't have time for (stevie), Monday, 18 October 2021 07:21 (two years ago) link
I saw them at least twice at Fort Reno in DC, once at the Electric Factory in Philly, once at Maxwell's in Hoboken, NJ, and I feel like there's at least one more I'm forgetting. One of them was in fact, I am pretty sure, the famous "I saw you eating ice cream!" show memorialized in Instrument, something I have only pieced together from vague memory combined with friend's account.
Re the berating (which happened at all of my shows too), I have a running joke with a friend about how Ian is "Dad" and Guy is "Mom." At the first show I went to, the Killtaker tour, it was worse than crowdsurfing, it was skinheads stomping people, including my friend who was in the pit. We were 14 years old. The crew let us sit and watch from the back of their truck after.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 18 October 2021 18:04 (two years ago) link
Absolutely electrifying live show, and the "YOU! YOU DOING THAT CRAZY, VIOLENT, SWINGY ARMS DANCE!" moments were every bit as much a part of it as Dark Star was for Dead shows.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 18 October 2021 18:06 (two years ago) link
*(not a direct quote)
This is the 'ice cream' gig - https://www.dischord.com/fugazi_live_series/washington-dc-usa-80993
― Maresn3st, Monday, 18 October 2021 18:15 (two years ago) link
Right, yup. That would in fact have been the same one at which my friend got kicked by skinheads and we wound up sitting on the truck. First one I went to.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 18 October 2021 18:21 (two years ago) link
Said gig is discussed in the introduction of Joe Gross's In On the Kill Taker book.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 October 2021 18:30 (two years ago) link