CHRIS BROWN

no idea why i feel the need to make these points on the breezy thread except that this nudnik throwing away 300K on that piece of shit is almost as upsetting to me as his violent streak. so indicative of a sick culture.

xxp - ever heard barack quote a jigga line?

xp - yeah, point granted omar.

uh, weren't there a billion articles last year about how Barack has Jay-Z on his iPod?

― Turnswagonesque (some dude), Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:53 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

yeeeeah but iirc jay got shutout of prime seating at his acceptance speech

it's possible to like books and hate bitches at the same time

opposite of kanye?

ever heard barack quote a jigga line?

why does this matter

he's a bright homophobic rapper who condemns capitalist culture and sings about big rims and strives to freak out the white middle class when he's not acting in hollywood movies

ever heard barack quote a jigga line?

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Ronan909: "q theres a line on jay z's the blueprint, it reads simply 'i will not lose ever FUCKER'"

it matters because his appreciation of jay-z HAS to be abstract to be acceptable. and yes, there were plenty of articles about obama's camp having a hard time finding a way to officially host a jay show without becoming affiliated with Jay's more socially offensive lyrics

getting lunch, but enjoying this convo.

i dunno, i've got enough friends who deal with homophobic bullshit to not give some asshole like banner a pass on that shit, even if it means he's "complex" (kinda why i can't really forget cube's anti-semitism.) these dudes are awesome artists who just don't need to traffic in that shit.

I don't know about you but it has never crossed my mind to attempt to drop a reference to "Lady Cab Driver" or "Siamese Twins" into anything I've done in the capacity of my job. Not only do I not see why it matters whether the President quotes Jay-Z or not, I really don't see what difference it makes if he likes Jay-Z or not; that is not why I voted for him. Perhaps if we were taking a road trip together and he wanted to control the music I would care.

i dunno, i'm not disturbed at all by BO's campaign having to be thoughtful about how to handle associating with any rapper -- they were thoughtful and cautious about everything, which is part of why they won. and i think it'll be a lot less touchy in the 2012 campaign, more open and laid back.

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yeah i mean i can understand why the obama people would balk at having jay do an official concert, but tbh at that point it's up to jay to say "okay, i understand" and use his general celebrity to help contribute in meaningful ways (not only donations) and it seemed like he was willing to do that in general

omar: "some of my best friends" on my end too; I am maybe more accepting of homophobia and general hatred in my music than I should be. I just like Mississippi too much to be too objective

hi dere: my point is that it's a strange oddity for Obama to "like" Jay and that it's acceptable only to the extent that people don't ask what his favorite Jay song is or why he likes him... not problems that he would run into with, say fleetwood mac. It's a fucked up world where you can't like the music you like because it would mess with your political potential. and i probably HAVE made reference to lady cab driver on the job, but that's just me.

dude: one hopes it'll be more laid back, but I kinda doubt it unless hip hop culture matures or infantilizes even more.

Americans in acting weirdly about a newish style of music pioneered/dominated by black people shocker!

i hope hip hop is a new kind of music for another 30 years

i dunno man -- Obama talked about and referenced and was photographed with Jay-Z more than any president has with any other rapper -- for you to make such a big deal about it not being enough is kinda weird to me. like HI DERE said, what does it even matter? this is like the "is he black enough?" handwringing that most people got over or answered for themselves a year and a half ago, at the latest.

this is like the "is he black enough?" handwringing that most people got over or answered for themselves a year and a half ago, at the latest

I am glad you said this so that I didn't have to.

i will never vote for someone that doesn't like jay-z, if you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything IMO

oy, this is not a point I would've expected to be called extensively on? and also not one I really feel like defending.
it's not a question of "being enough"; I'm not slagging on O.
my only point was that hip hop stars being active in the political world is welcome but given the degree to which they're not taken seriously as role-models, intellects, artists or really ANYTHING but businessmen; I have to wonder how worthwhile that role is.

yeah, i didn't mean to drag it out or push you into a corner, i just thought you were trying to make one point by pressing a different and possibly unrelated angle. anyway, lord knows jay's been spending much of the last 6 years ago cultivating a more worldly "jay guevera" type image, but he spent about a decade before that talking money cash hoes too -- of course the establishment is gonna handle him w/ kid gloves, even if it's a newly elected 'change'-themed establishment.

hip hop stars are totally taken seriously as artists wtf

well yeah but probably less so than any other musicians

i still know people who refuse to call it "music"

just wanna say that i like that this discussion is happening in the chris brown thread

my feeling is that even if genre/race/etc distorts things a bit, musicians generally get the amount of public respect they earn with their music and actions -- Jay-Z is totally respected, Ja Rule isn't, not that hard to figure out why.

^^^some dude OTM

i find that people are more biased against anything popular than rap - people who hate lady gaga are probably gonna hate 50 cent but they'll probably rep for mos def or wyclef or uh jurassic 5

not any blinding insight here, but jay's sorta the madonna of the rap game; he's been real adept at metamorphosing into whatever works for his image without giving up too much cred. It's put him in a good position to be a spokesperson even when he doesn't really represent much about the majority of the people in his profession.

people who hate lady gaga are probably gonna hate 50 cent

yep that's me

but they'll probably rep for mos def

I thought he was funny in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

or wyclef

FUCK NO

or uh jurassic 5

DOUBLE FUCK NO

I state with confidence that most of the people I know IRL have no fucking clue who Jurassic 5 is, have never heard Mos Def rap and still think of The Fugees once you explain who Wyclef is.

I hate to say it...but on ILM (not IRL) I think J5 is almost underrated at this point

big xp to forx:
ostentatious spending beyond all sensibility may be a symptom of a specific culture out of control right now but let's not try to say that misogyny or beating a woman is, too!

ha kudos for bringing this back to Chris Brown

yeah kudos indeed
and i think violence as a means to solve problems is absolutely endemic to way too much of hip hop culture; though with Brown i think it's more just about star culture and a belief that one won't be held responsible for one's actions... which the system has proven to be an accurate belief.

I will ride for more than a few J5 songs. They're fine.

yeah but CB totally thinks that he's a badass and the only reason he's not a rapper is that he can sing

with Brown i think it's more just about star culture and a belief that one won't be held responsible for one's actions

eh some people are just jerks - rich/poor, famous/unknown, doesn't matter really. I mean if it was "star culture" that was responsible for this how come we don't see this kinda shit more often among the glitterati.

you're kidding, right?

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that's just the sort of thing that'll make me cancel my vibe subscription.

I don't think that will be necessary lol

what's that, honey? oh no, that's not a shooting star. that's just a joke sailing over shakey's head. you can make a wish if you want, though.

lolz

sorry my sarcasm detector seems to be on the fritz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-94JhLEiN0

ok if you described that to me on paper i'd be hatin' but for real that made me smile big time

if a bomb killed the entire wedding party i can't say i'd be too upset

okay so based on the Related Videos, wedding dance entrances are a "thing"? christ