Post a controversial music opinion

Deflatormouse I highly, highly encourage you to see Tagaq live when the opportunity presents itself, she is one of the best live acts in the world

She gave this performance the night she won Polaris. I don't know if the video is as effective as "actually being there" was, but it was easily the single most arresting performance I've ever witnessed.

https://polarismusicprize.ca/videos/tanya-tagaq-uja-and-umingmak-live/

Yeah I've seen her three times and she was stellar each time.

We need to reserve the term "banger" or "slaps" solely for songs that are uptempo, with prominent drums and/or rhythm sections (as in, the sonics match the onomatopoeia). I feel misled when I read a review of a track, and it says "she just dropped another one that slaps", or "Bob Dylan's latest banger" and its a slow folky campfire-style tune with basically no percussion.

Xxxp I still haven't hearf the 1975 tbh, i always get them mixed up with DFA 1979
I am gonna check out this link and the Retribution track now, thx
Would love to see her live.
Also, she gives wonderful interviews

Lol fair enough

her Polaris acceptance was great, distinctly remember her leading off with 'fuck PETA' lol

Thank you fgti, that was the most beautiful performance I have ever seen and now I am crying in public

Glad you enjoyed it! The addition of the Element Choir (led by Christine Duncan) was incendiary

Her book is also rather good, I thought!

YES, the choir put it over the top for me. I'm down to check out more of their work for sure. xp

btw my use of "banger" above more or less in accordance with Prefecture's definition. That's what I meant.

She performed with the choir in Ottawa when touring Retribution - it was great!

despite being otm, 'o superman' is a relentlessly terrible song

ha ha ha ha

No, I think you mean ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah

beautiful

Deflatormouse, you are totally correct on that one!

Very much agree, re: 'O Superman' and Laurie Anderson in general.

Beta Band s/t is good as hell actually

prob not controversial in 2020

‘controversial music opinions if you’re time traveling to the year 2000’

wasn’t it the beta band themselves who really hated it?

anyway, I agree, will

It was, and it was a dumb move. EMI hated them for it, I gave it a cursory listen at the time.

Now, I love it.

I used to be colder on the second half but now I think the whole thing’s marvelous

I got the deluxe version with the extra disc that was "supposed to be" an extra at the time. Don't bother.

Obviously it's amazing. Not controversial at all. But nice

huh maybe it was the band that was dissatisfied and loudest about it

I felt like it got dunked on p hard on music nerd msg boards at the time

but yes it’s v good. tbh I’ve got time for pretty much everything they put out

Also correct

it’s their Katy Lied

(which is often days my favorite SD)

I think the reviews were bad because the band said it was bad, so etc.

So, emi dropped their efforts at promotion...

The quality of Daft Punk albums is inversely proportional to their US chart placement

Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night thinking about how there will never be a greater disconnect between Pet Sounds's deathless critical reputation and the honest-to-God nausea I experience whenever I hear it, barring a song or two.

thought we were friends ;_;

I'm sorry, Neandy. :(

But it's the critically acclaimed album that I outright hate the most, in no small part because I've wasted too many hours trying to understanding what the fuss is all about, in vain. Beyond the pioneering studio wizardry, the songs themselves (and the vomitive lyrics) are just so drippingly cloying that it's aural waterboarding to me. 'God Only Knows' is a total classic, though.

Whatever you do, don't put your head on pom's shoulder.

I think it's got its fair share of criticism over the years btw.

powerful take pom

it also made me realize that I never ever listen to pet sounds so I think you're onto something

I guess I missed it. Maybe I wouldn't be foaming at the mouth at the mere thought of it if I'd read some of these naysayers' screeds.

2xp

pitchfork gave it like a 7 in the '90s

Imo it's more of a 3.

pom hates the beach

Lies! I actually like some of their dumber, carefree surfin' material.

I like it but def wouldn't care if I never heard it again. The cult of Wilson's genius was p obnoxious in the late 90s/ early 00s. Whenever people reverently trotted out the "teenage symphony to God" line (about Smile but often applied to PS too ime), I was like "does that actually sound appealing to you?"

lol, exactly.

I feel like (and I'm not talkin about pom's take here) the whole "Pet Sounds isn't REALLY THAT GREAT, it's OVERRATED" has become the du jour take that supplanted "Pet SOUNDs IS TEH BEST BEACH BOYS EVER" in the last few decades. Pom's is unique cos he's saying it outright sux. I can appreciate that boldness.

It's not really a thing here because the Beach Boys discussion on these boards is some of the finest I've seen on the interwebs, particularly Shakey's poll series for each album. but I am tired of being bombarded w/ "b-b-b-but did you know there are better albums than Pet Sounds" whenever I talk about that album in hipster company. I have all of their albs other than Holland and any of their 80s output, I don't need to be talked to like a n00b!

I do however love Pet Sounds, particularly the aforementioned "Put Your Head On My Shoulder", "God Only Knows", "You Still Believed in Me", etc. but usually my favorite BB is the one I have on. even the early car/beach albums which most critical folk sneer at are really good, though there are a lot of tracks that appear on more than one album.

I still have an unresolved dispute with Shakey regarding the Beach Boys

about How She Boogalooed It?

had to do with the recording process during the Pet Sounds era, it was very trivial, but for some reason stuck in my craw for years

is Shakey gone forever because people accused him of abusing a subway sandwich or a trucker hat? I can never keep track of ancient ILX beefs