CHRIS BROWN

modern pantheon: marilyn, james dean, elvis, john lennon, mj whatever

pomopantheon more like: jay, britney, b, lohan... people who are better known and adored by more people than say, stephen hawking, and who (think they can /actually get to) live in a world above and beyond moral imperative

it's early in the morning for me and i've been reading grant morrison; I may be spouting bullshit. hence the /dimestore tag

thank you, dimestore tag darrell

some dude, Brown was absolutely headed that route; I may be putting too much weight on the "ANDY WARHOL IS DEAD" shirt breezy wore in the Freeze video. Actually fuck that: everybody's embracing superfatuous superflat at the moment. Not having meaning is the new having meaning.

haha i forgot about that shirt, maybe my estimation was off by a few months

real talk your post about Kanye's pomo bullshit in the 808s thread was some truth bomb shit to me, so i'm not fronting on your ideas at all

fwiw I thought you just wanted to make a Dimebag Darrell joke (because I did and I am king of projection)

needs to break out a 'ike turner is dead' shirt before he truly makes the pomo grade.

oh my god i just refreshed the page and saw the updated "1 year passes"
"1 week passes" that appear to have been newly implemented and I thought I had accidentally clicked to another thread and someone WAS QUOTING THIS THREAD in some sort of an odd way and I had a moment of psychotropic freakout

xp, didn't think you were dude. i blame kanye for a lot. proving there was a market for this stuff condemned us all to have to repeat it for the next few years

wtf. wow chris brown.

otm on the pomo reading

I lol'd at the pendant but mostly because its so unbelievably fucking ugly. dude spent 3k on that? Loser.

no, he spent 300K on it

kanye is like a super virus worming his way through all of hip hop and r&b turning everyone into passive aggressive bitches that dress like breakdance movie extras

I can't tell if that ruins or saves "The Matrix"

xp yes and to think that some people dared to claim that ANDRE 3000 was to blame...so is it safe to say that the SOft Serve Space Age Raps has given way to pomo trappings in the greater pop landscape? Are all our popstars going to be walking superflat vacuums of unaware fastuousness

Are all our popstars going to be walking superflat vacuums of unaware fastuousness

um for the most part this is how pop stars have been since the beginning of pop

besides a few have any gone so far as to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on completely meaningless yet totally meta and sefl-referantial walking advertisements of their own vapid postmodernism? like a BIG ASS CHAIN chain or an OOPS chain?

xp yes and to think that some people dared to claim that ANDRE 3000 was to blame...so is it safe to say that the SOft Serve Space Age Raps has given way to pomo trappings in the greater pop landscape? Are all our popstars going to be walking superflat vacuums of unaware fastuousness

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man on the real, i probably talked shit about andre at the height of the whole thing and daaaaamn....how dumb was I? andre is like one billion times more quality that any of these new jack shitheads and jesus who was i to question the man that made southerplayalistic and atliens and aquemini and etc etc?

The thing is, Andre actually knew how to build a narrative.

kanye is like a super virus worming his way through all of hip hop and r&b turning everyone into passive aggressive bitches that dress like breakdance movie extras
― bodyguard/publicist Tank (M@tt He1ges0n
big headturning-in-the-office-"what's-so-funny?" LOLZ on that

not to get all KRS-1 up in here but where is a quality hip hop star that will reject swag in favor of big upping your community? Fuck your car, fuck your jewelry, fuck your news-op foundation charity bullshit; i want Lil Wayne to embrace a full on sinead o'connor middle-class life where he gives his mansion to refugees. Is it too much to ask to expect JUST ONE UNDERTALENTED OVERPAID MOTHERFUCKER to do a "oh god how i'm wasting my life" headspin and devote their lives to a good cause while still making music? Even if it was just legalization of marijuana for crissakes.

there hasn't been anybody in hiphop like that in a long time

i too am aching for a quality hip hop star to change their life around and in the process start making completely boring music

there hasn't been anybody in rock music like that in awhile either, in that case

http://img.thedougie.com/assets/imgx/5/1/0/5/6/8/1/orig-5105681.jpg
ur princess is in another castle

the rappers who actually give a shit about community activism or giving back to the hood don't have the time to become famous too and the rappers who are already rich and have half a conscience just cut a check for the pet cause of the year and then keep it moving

i mean every rapper i know here talks about how they'd "give back to the hood" if they made it big, but the only ones who actually would probably won't blow up because they're already doing social work or running rec centers and don't need $ to make a difference anyway

having their cake and eating it too, basically

However, Juvenile's Slidell, Louisiana home was damaged but not destroyed in Hurricane Katrina near the end of the summer. In the aftermath of the hurricane, he worked with fellow New Orleans rapper Master P and other hip hop artists to raise funds and supplies for the victims of the hurricane.

ha, i only knew this because at his jazzfest show a few years ago he was mad that the crowd wasn't giving him enough love or something, and was all "come on, don't you know what i've done for this community?!"

haha

yeah that's another thing, the established guys actually doing shit partly have the time for it because their career's already on the wane

kinda agree with forks' rant tbh

i mean someone as in demand as T.I. isn't going to spend a huge amount of his time doing community service unless a judge tells him to. xpost

it's weird whenever i read people dissing hip-hop that's trying to be positive (even when the music is ok), like it's some kind of weak move.

Juvie does seem to have a solid track record with being civic minded from what I know.
I dunno; maybe there just needs to be a coalition to shame these guys into doing a Stop the Violence style movement to do a needle exchange or asthma inhaler distribution or turn-in-your-gun amnesty. Works in the NFL/NBA.

TI is in a good position to engineer this sorta thing! If he gave a shit.

A lot of cats is just getting money. Like “this some shit I do to get money.” Get money, there ain’t nothing wrong with that. If you did something and the numbers came in right then by all means [get paid]. But if you looking at this like “this is just something I do to get money” then you don’t really love this shit. You don’t breathe it, you don’t believe it. So you can make the statement that there’s some bullshit. But if you really love this… - Manny Fresh

^really outta context, but still appropriate i think.

i gotta say, even tho it might've been hamhanded and sometimes was like "hey im playing a concert!", guys like jeezy and luda and jay-z did some decent work for obama and just getting people in lower income neighborhoods registered to vote in general - it was way better and more hands on than VOTE OR DIE shit and hopefully kind of set a tone for how rappers should approach elections moving forward

like i know tons of ppl who are way less busy than young jeezy who did waaaaaay less to get people registered to vote

yeah i have to say even though there was some pretty dumb shit going on in rap last year re: Obama (cough Luda cough) for the most part those guys didn't drop the ball, had the right amount of involvement without either doing too little or becoming too much a part of the story

Uh, David Banner, guys

^^ good example

he probably really is putting his money where his mouth is, since he makes all his $ on movies now and seems to take a lot of time between projects

More genuinely political hip hop, both in action and in verse, is always welcome. The Obama camp's very delicate dance with Jay was another damning indictment of the way that mainstream america views contemporary hip hop now; the president can't even cop to enjoying the music!

i still wanna see some for real old school
agitate educate organize
agitate educate organize
agitate educate organize
action

banner's a really bright guy; his loudmouthed homophobia is pretty distressing, but he's definitely a positive otherwise. Shame that he's been kinda eh on the singles lately.

uh, weren't there a billion articles last year about how Barack has Jay-Z on his iPod?

banner's a really bright guy; his loudmouthed homophobia is pretty distressing

^^seems contradictory

it's possible to like books and hate bitches at the same time

er, hate fags i should say

no idea why i feel the need to make these points on the breezy thread except that this nudnik throwing away 300K on that piece of shit is almost as upsetting to me as his violent streak. so indicative of a sick culture.

xxp - ever heard barack quote a jigga line?

xp - yeah, point granted omar.

uh, weren't there a billion articles last year about how Barack has Jay-Z on his iPod?

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yeeeeah but iirc jay got shutout of prime seating at his acceptance speech