Robert Wyatt: Classic or Dud?

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Funny, I wondered if it might not actually be a bass guitar speeded-up, so not so much Les Paul-style as Holger Czukay-style.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 September 2004 09:45 (nineteen years ago) link

... also Wyatt claims he can't play keyboards very well either but we know differently (xpost)

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 September 2004 09:49 (nineteen years ago) link

also he can't sing!

gaz (gaz), Friday, 17 September 2004 09:51 (nineteen years ago) link

... but he can drum like a motherfucker

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 September 2004 09:52 (nineteen years ago) link

it is one of the most life affirming record ever made.

gaz (gaz), Friday, 17 September 2004 10:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Absolutely

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 September 2004 10:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i want to add something to this discussion, because this album is so big for me, but amateurist's description of it is so fucking OTM, i cant imagine i have anything new to add.

peter smith (plsmith), Friday, 17 September 2004 12:21 (nineteen years ago) link


Rock Bottom is about someone finding their way back to the world and - vide closing Cutler recitative - learning to laugh again.

-- Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid (what_d...) (webmail), September 17th, 2004 5:02 AM. (later) (link)


i can see our "interpretations" being complementary, more or less. but i'm reluctant to describe this album as being "about" any one thing, especially something as cliché as "learning to laugh again." i don't think the album has a narrative per se, or an obvious forward progression. or at least i've never chosen to hear it that way.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link

>(and isn't it about time btw that Wyatt gave Mike Oldfield credit for his guitar on this track?)

I agree that's not Oldfield on that track, but it's definitely Oldfield on the final track 'Little Red Robin Hood Hit the Road', the huge soaring melodic line that turns into the 'can't you see them?' riff. One of my favorite moments of recorded sound in the history of our world etc.

Oldfield is credited as a musician on the back cover of the original vinyl, but I suspect Oldfield's saying he wrote that entire solo, the melody and riff, and deserved a co-authoring credit for the entire track (I would be obliged if you could find his exact complaint)... the riff is nearly identical to one of the sections of 'Ommadawn'. I still see it as more of a break in the middle of Wyatt's song, but it is certainly Oldfield's solo that pushes it over the top.

(Jon L), Friday, 17 September 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

One of my favorite moments of recorded sound in the history of our world etc.

YES

amateur!!st, Friday, 17 September 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

(whenever someone makes fun of me for owning five Oldfield records I just point them towards that solo)

(Jon L), Friday, 17 September 2004 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

'mostly fish... mostly porpoise...'

cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 17 September 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone else here obsessed with the version of Little Red Riding Hood on the Henry Cow conerts cd?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 17 September 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

not obsessed, but that's good

amateur!!st, Friday, 17 September 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

the '75 Henry Cow/Robert Wyatt tour, they'd play the entirety of 'Ruth is Stranger than Richard' in sequence

(Jon L), Friday, 17 September 2004 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I love that "Little Red Riding Hood ..." side of the HC live LP, it's so propulsive. I've got to get it and Rock Bottom on CD so I can iPod it at work. I was just watching a multiple-generation video copy of a French TV interview/doc (from '93) and remembered there was an Italian video doc about him. Is this available on DVD now?

nickn (nickn), Saturday, 18 September 2004 06:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Robert Wyatt was a communist in the original Marxist sense, not a Stalinist. There's a HUGE difference, but that's something you're not told in America, where even LIBERAL has become a bad word, let alone socialism.
Wyatt is pretty funny about it though - he said Trotskyism was too shouty, so he wanted to go for something completely unfashionable and contemplative.
His comment about there being many, many good,kind people in the world, yet the leaders being utter bastards is sadly pretty spot on.
And his music is wonderful. Get over your silly hipster hatred of Weller and just enjoy it. I think the Jam are hugely overrated, but I've got to hand it to Weller, that slide guitar part on Free Will And Testament is sublime.

Stewart S, Saturday, 18 September 2004 08:51 (nineteen years ago) link

love him. his version of "I'm a Believer" is awesome. "Rock Bottom" is classic, and posters above have described it very well, I think. I also love his take on "Guantanamera" and Chic's "At Last I Am Free." And the song called "Grass." He owns "Shipbuilding," obviously. Also really liked, after some initial reservations, "Shleep." He's actually one of my heroes for a lot of reasons.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic! Uhm, yep. Although his debut is a bit over the top sometimes.

strom (strom), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
Revive...cuz I just bought Rock Bottom this weekend!

Wow...I'm lovin' it like a Mickey D's fruit walnut salad...

Really cool droney, crazy ol' man EZ listening prog or something....it's DEFINITELY something...that's for sure....Sea Song is just a heartbreaking love song...."Your madness fits in nicely with my own" is such a sweet like....I love the big droney songs called Little Red Robin Hood....

Great organ sounds....bewitching record.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 11 July 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

The only thing I don't really like is the end of the last song (Red Riding Hood II)...where he uses this wierd stupid "rasta mon" accent

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 11 July 2005 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

even that song will grow on you

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 11 July 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

"At Last I Am Free" is gorgeous.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 11 July 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i picked that up used recently too...it cemented my love for mr. wyatt...

b b, Monday, 11 July 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

What else is good by this dude? Is he pretty solid overall? I want more.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 11 July 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

The only thing I don't really like is the end of the last song (Red Riding Hood II)...where he uses this wierd stupid "rasta mon" accent
-- M@tt He1geson (matt@game[remove]informer.com), July 11th, 2005.


That's Ivor Cutler and that's how Ivor Cutler sounds

chris besinger (chris besinger), Monday, 11 July 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"Ruth is Stranger than Richard", "Shleep" and "Cuckooland" are excellent

chris besinger (chris besinger), Monday, 11 July 2005 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

That's Ivor Cutler and that's how Ivor Cutler sounds

ah cool...that makes me feel better about it...I thought it was Wyatt copping an accent for some reason....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 11 July 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I acquired Rock Bottom and Solar Flares Burn for You in March. Haven't listened to either in about a month but I'm fond of both, particularly the former (which Marcello's review inspired me to pick up).

Weird time for a revive, though -- I had a dream last night where I was playing "Sea Song" and my brother came in and said, "What the fuck is this crap? He sounds horrible!" and I was harping on about how he sounded better than any of The Beatles and how a lot of people think Green Gartside sounds a lot like him. I thought the discussion actually happened when I woke up until I remembered that he spent the night over at a friend's house.

Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I smashed up the telly with the broken phone.

Rastaman! (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

rock bottom, shleep, and the most recent one (cuckooland) are all exceptional. Rock Bottom is the best though. I also have Old Rottenhat, it's not bad.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 11 July 2005 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i want it i want it i want it give it to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 11 July 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

also, to be pedantic (again!), it's "i smash up thee telly with remains of thee broken phone."

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 11 July 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

get that ep's thing with his version of "i'm a believer"! the peel sessions version is fab too, he does one of his patented "voice imitating a coltrane solo" things.

i own the whole rbt wyatt discography, except for that 'solar flares' thing which i need to get and i guess the best-of which would be redundant. there's nothing bad in it. though i don't listen to 'dondestan' very much, i admit.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 11 July 2005 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Amateur(ist), do you know of this single i mentioned upthread where he's playing w/south african musicians? i never picked it up and now i kick myself.

i have almost everything also, and i think my favorite is an ep that was put out as Nothing Can Stop Us Now, with a few extra tracks on the reissue.

The Amazing Jaxon! (jaxon), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 01:32 (eighteen years ago) link

solar flares is WONDERFUL

my 2 oddities are the downloaded peel session where he performs with Slapp Happy and a 12 w/ UK faux-latin new pop types Weekend where he duets w/ Tracey Thorn.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 02:48 (eighteen years ago) link

how could anyone mistake a scot for a rasta?!?!???!?

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 03:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Hate the communism (my grandfather was murdered by the Red Army, and my uncle died after being in a labour camp) but (perversely?) I love Stalin Wasn't Stallin! Love Shipbuilding, Carl Craig remix of Ultramarine, At Last I Am Free...

Definitely Classic.

Check "The End of An Ear"!

Telegram Sam, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 05:59 (eighteen years ago) link

"how could anyone mistake a scot for a rasta?!?!???!?"

How about if someone was extremely drunk and was trying to tell a joke that involved mimicking a Scottish and / or Jamaican accent, but wasn't actually very good at different accents?

I believe this sort of confusion is particularly common with Welsh and Indian accents.

Robert Wyatt? Classic, obv.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic. Wonderful human being as well. Gorgeous voice, clever and unexpected melodic sense, lyrically at once naive and knowing (I'm not sure how many of his lyrics his wife wrote on the last record, but she wrote most of Shleep and Dondestan).

Best records best to least for me: Rock Bottom, Soft Machine vols. 1 & 2, Shleep, Dondestan (either mix), Ruth is Stranger than Richard, Old Rottenhat, Matching Mole, Cuckooland (enjoyed it but the cheap keyboards are starting to bug me - Leonard Cohen syndrome). I don't listen to Rock Bottom very often at all, because it's such a charged object for me; it'd be like having the Koh-I-Noor diamond lying around as a paperweight.

End of an Ear is a prog-jazz record which I enjoyed, but it has hardly any vocals on it. Solar Flares Burn for You is an odds-and-ends compilation which is notable for some Rock Bottom demos and 'Little Child' which is one step away from being Lil' Markie.

Brakhage (brakhage), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i didn't think shleep was to his standards; i prefer the new one i think. end of the ear left me fairly cold, it's most akin to some of the more noodly stuff on the matching mole records.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link

nice to see some love for matching mole. i just heard little red record a couple months ago, expecting something mildly interesting but datedly noodly. there are some rough patches, but i was nicely suprised by how good it is.

wayward son, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

do you have the s/t lp by matching mole? it's better.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

never heard it. thanks for the tip

wayward son, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

the s/t is way, way, way better. it's got the beginnings of wyatt's cute nursery rhyme slow songs and the jams jam.

i hardly ever listen to Little Red Record, but the cover is GREAT. doesn't it have a terry riley homage on it?

The Amazing Jaxon! (jaxon), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

first track sounds a bit Reichian maybe, those were the days. the second one kicks off like it's going to be the monster of the whole decade but it piddles out a bit before the end, but I love the Eno synthscape rampup on 'Gloria Gloom' and 'god song' is a great Wyatt tune that could have been on the second Soft Machine record.

first Matching Mole album holds up though... the second side "wyatt-discovers-the-mellotron" is drony and fantastic

Frith says he was signed up to join Matching Mole for their third album. But then, the accident.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

milton otm. and a vocal looseness graces "flora fidgit" that wouldn't sound out of place on Rock Bottom

wayward son, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

xposts:

do you know of this single i mentioned upthread where he's playing w/south african musicians? i never picked it up and now i kick myself.

Oh, I've got that... it's "The Wind Of Change", credited to Wyatt and the SWAPO singers. It's bright and jolly and swingy and catchy.

and a 12 w/ UK faux-latin new pop types Weekend where he duets w/ Tracey Thorn.

Ah yes, got that as well. "Venceremos" is the title - though it's actually a three-way performance between Wyatt, Thorn and Claudia Figueroa. It was Working Week's debut single; their second, "Storm Of Light", featuring Julie Tippetts (aka Driscoll) on vocals, is also outstanding.

Another good rarity is Wyatt's cover of Chris Andrews' "Yesterday Man", which was scheduled as a follow-up to "I'm A Believer" but never released. Instead, it appeared (in 1975) on a cheapo Virgin 2LP sampler called V. I also like his performance of Soft Machine's "Memories" on Daevid Allen's Banana Moon, and his harmony vocals on Kevin Ayers' "Hymn" and "Whatevershebringswesing".

"Free Will And Testament", featuring Paul Weller, remains the last 7" single I bought (not counting second-hand stuff).

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 09:23 (eighteen years ago) link

"Yesterday Man" is also available on the EPs boxed set, and very lovely it is too.

Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 09:30 (eighteen years ago) link

No doubt I've said this in 20 other threads, but his work with the Carla Bley/Mike Mantler nexus is generally superb - Mantler's The Hapless Child (prog-goth-isolationist adaptation of Edward Gorey poems) is tremendous, as is Nick Mason's Fictitious Sports, released under Mason's name but really a C Bley record.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 09:31 (eighteen years ago) link


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