jimmy played all the drums on the record
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 27 November 2020 14:00 (three years ago) link
the record is def too long but i am so thrilled i don’t actively dislike any of these songs. they’re also all stuck in my head constantly :(
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 27 November 2020 14:02 (three years ago) link
songwriting-wise i think it’s even stronger than oceania, and the production lacks depth but it comes super close to the adore sound anyway
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 27 November 2020 14:04 (three years ago) link
I like the background vox and harmonies on this one, surprisingly
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Friday, November 27, 2020 6:48 AM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
made me wonder if billy’s been listening to a lot of later leonard cohen records
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 27 November 2020 14:06 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7rvQBrL5A8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Ht9_BA15M
these are my two faves
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 27 November 2020 14:12 (three years ago) link
oh god i also really love "the hidden sun," the synth hook on that one is out of this world
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 27 November 2020 15:17 (three years ago) link
Man, I wish I could share your enthusiasm Brad. There are indeed some big hooks and I was hoping for more out of a return to the Adore/FutureEmbrace sound, but I'm just not enthused after a first listen. The synth work feels really lazy (the really repetitive line in "Wrath" being one example that stood out), the backing vocals feel really out of place and I just cannot fathom bringing Jimmy back for him to imitate a drum machine for an entire album. It's not terrible, but it's not very good either, unfortunately.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 15:27 (three years ago) link
lol listen, i already know that i'm alone here
i think the complaints about jimmy are silly though. as a drummer i think changing the emphasis of your playing to suit the texture of the song is... very difficult and admirable. also the moments where jimmy's regular pumpkins style breaks through really pop
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link
I suppose that's fair, I guess I just really miss monster RAWK kit-bashing Jimmy. I guess we get some hints of that on say, "Wyttch", tho.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link
"Cyr" is growing on me -- just watched the Tonight Show clip and it isn't...so bad? Speaking of Jimmy, the guy looks like a million bucks these days.
― Sam Weller, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link
He does look great, I'm really happy for him!
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 15:43 (three years ago) link
Listened to about half of this last night. I don't usually dip much of a toe into modern Pumpkins stuff, but I felt like I had to give it a try after reading an excerpt from Gerard Way's interview with Corgan in Alternative Press (you have to actually pick up a print copy of AP to read the whole thing, and I'm not certain where to even find it these days).
Anyway, I'm not floored by it, but still think it's pretty good. Really like Billy taking us back to the core, the heart music. I also think the background singers are great - reminds me of Leonard Cohen or something.
I do wish that it had more depth, more interesting little details. Everything seems to be very straightforward and immediately obvious. Also agree with those above who say that this may not have been the best use of a Jimmy Chamberlin. And when I took time to follow along with some of the lyrics it was like, what are you talking about?
I don't know - I'm definitely going to finish listening to it and will probably listen again. Makes excellent background music at least, and that's not a bad thing.
― peace, man, Friday, 4 December 2020 14:19 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ascLZN2iyZg
i do hope he continues writing songs like this one in particular
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 4 December 2020 17:41 (three years ago) link
(purple blood)
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 4 December 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prI0dKB51Tw
haha whoa this is kinda rad!
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 4 December 2020 19:29 (three years ago) link
Well that seemed really good to me, and I haven't vibed with anything Pumpkins since Adore.
― assert (MatthewK), Saturday, 5 December 2020 04:04 (three years ago) link
https://www.nme.com/news/music/the-smashing-pumpkins-machina-ii-rework-is-finished-and-will-have-at-least-80-songs-says-billy-corgan-2867160
Really ready for this one!
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 28 January 2021 18:53 (three years ago) link
Every one of those 80 songs is going to be a 20 minute compilation of the riffs from 80 completely different unreleased songs.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 28 January 2021 18:55 (three years ago) link
i'm wary of what, if any, newly-recorded old ideas are gonna appear on this, mostly bc unless billy brought flood in, it's not gonna sound good lol
still very psyched
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 January 2021 18:59 (three years ago) link
not that machina or machina ii sound good either but they sound better than nu-pumpkins
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 January 2021 19:00 (three years ago) link
yeah in my head his attempts to make all these songs cohere sonically will be....less than optimal
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Thursday, 28 January 2021 19:02 (three years ago) link
i would also like a cd transfer of the og machina ii recordings bc it's been vinyl rips for twenty years now, come on bc. according to this news though i don't think i'm getting that lol
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 January 2021 19:06 (three years ago) link
Machina would have made a great instrumental album.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 28 January 2021 20:30 (three years ago) link
you know what song rules? “slow dawn”.
― brimstead, Thursday, 28 January 2021 20:39 (three years ago) link
yes
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 January 2021 21:48 (three years ago) link
I would actually really like to hear the all SPs albums vocals-free
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Thursday, 28 January 2021 21:49 (three years ago) link
who wants (the) honey(ed vocals of william corgan)
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 January 2021 21:53 (three years ago) link
So apparently “Eye” was Corgan trying to do a Dr. Dre type of beat for Shaquille O Neal to rap on top off in a collab with them.
I don’t know if that was a popular piece of trivia but yeah I can definitely hear the Dre influence and would have loved a SP rap collab in the 90’s.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 21 February 2022 05:52 (two years ago) link
So a new 33-song rock opera, titled Atum that is a sequel to Mellon Collie? There was a time when I would be excited about this, but uh... not now, particularly the "produced by Billy Corgan" part.
https://pitchfork.com/news/the-smashing-pumpkins-announce-new-album-atum-a-sequel-to-mellon-collie-and-machina/
As of now, only available in a $225 vinyl version, or a $499 autographed version, due out April 2023. Billy certainly knows he has diehards willing to drop cash at a moments notice.
I'll hold out for the streaming.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:10 (two years ago) link
Gotta squeeze every last drop out of the fresh fruit
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:43 (two years ago) link
New single is horrendous, but that’s par for the course with 21st century Pumpkins. Chamberlain’s drumming is so rote and boring on it
― beamish13, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:44 (two years ago) link
Yeah, probably the single biggest crime Corgan continues to commit is having Jimmy fucking Chamberlain in his band and refusing to let him off the leash. It's awful.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:47 (two years ago) link
For all his hullabaloo with artwork, song titles, huge albums, gaudy videos...the songs since Oceania have been sooo uninteresting. At the very least the guy used to be bursting with ideas.
― Sam Weller, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:55 (two years ago) link
the other new song ("butterfly suite") is much better, uncoincidentally it sounds a lot like cyr (see evidence above of me liking cyr)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:56 (two years ago) link
Didn't realize there was a second one out there, I'd only heard "Beguiled".
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:58 (two years ago) link
I didn't hate Cyr, but I'm also not interested in another take on that sound.
i dislike "beguiled" and "solara" for the same reason, they are both anchored by very boring riffs
besides which corgan already wrote a late-period pop-metal song that both of those tracks wish they were, it's called "glow" and if it isn't particularly good at least it actually gets stuck in my head
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:59 (two years ago) link
The songs themselves will be drip-fed to fans on a weekly basis, however, with frontman Billy Corgan launching a podcast, Thirty-Three (named for the total number of songs on ‘ATUM’) to explore the story behind each track.
oof, come on
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:01 (two years ago) link
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, September 20, 2022 7:58 AM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
it leaked, i guess? i thought it would hit streaming with "beguiled" but it didn't https://www.reddit.com/r/SmashingPumpkins/comments/xibg95/butterfly_suite_2022/
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:19 (two years ago) link
Thanks!
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:21 (two years ago) link
i maintain that shiny & oh so bright vol. 1 was actually decent (even though "solara" sucked) & pretty easily the most worthwhile thing corgan's done since zwan
& lol he is releasing one song a week but not even in tracklist order? "beguiled" is in the middle of act 2, this is completely baffling.
― ufo, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 17:49 (two years ago) link
i was an oceania denier for years but it's easily the strongest post-pumpkins mk 1 record
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 17:58 (two years ago) link
Maybe he can actually finish this project, unlike Teargarden.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 18:00 (two years ago) link
it's already done so little risk of that
― ufo, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 18:26 (two years ago) link
haha, yes, that was my point
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 18:27 (two years ago) link
it is billy though so i wouldn't completely put it past him
― ufo, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 18:59 (two years ago) link
I wasn't there, but apparently they were pretty solid last night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Faqxbmj6sIg
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 23:46 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMlb3UEA4MI
lol
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 4 November 2022 15:06 (one year ago) link
Disappointed in ilm tbh, feels like there was a time when Corgan eating chips and dip during a show would have at least led to a day or two of riffing. Hoped to get a least one "despite all my rage, I am still eating dip on a stage" joek in.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 7 November 2022 16:16 (one year ago) link
It's 2022, Billy C being a weird dick is no longer news
― bible fumes (stevie), Monday, 7 November 2022 16:30 (one year ago) link